Value of: Nick Robertson to a non-contending team willing to move a top 4D

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Devils might need a bottom 6 forward next year with Wood/Tatar, UFA's and a few RFA's to sign and have Severson who's on the outs with Hamliton, Nemec, Marino on that right side. Depending where they come deadline, I can see a move like that especially Fitz tends to make sneaky moves like that. Something like Severson at 50% for Robertson depending if the Devils slow down a bit from their scorching start.

 

[ole ole]

Holy are you serious? I wouldn't even trade the 1st straight up for Edmundson let alone throw in 2 more players and I hate Holl.

You have to remember Holl now is basically a cap dump. the 1st which i understand you wanna keep will a a very late pick and the fact Robertson in which i don't believe fits our team. We are better off waiting with Edmundson.
He stays healthy and keep playing like he has we might just get a 1st without taking Holl. Mind ya Losing Edmundson and replacing him with Holl would help sink this team.
Pass on the offer also.

 

[ole ole]

If I'm the Leafs, I hold on to Robertson. After next season the Leafs will be facing some serious decisions around the salary cap. It would be nice to have a top 6 winger making less than $7million. Robertson has looked really good in his limited time in Toronto. I think he has every chance to be a 25goal 55 point winger as soon as next season barring injuries etc. I wouldn't make any serious moves right now if I was the Leafs anyway. Both starting goalies are out and Lil just got back into the line up. Let the team find its rhythm before trading young cost controlled assets. The Leafs will be in the playoffs so they can address any roster concerns closer to the trade deadline.

This makes the most sense for the Leafs and the Habs for one of the same reasons . Wait closer to the trade deadline.

 

[Tanknation]

Xkekaj is older than Robertson.

Oh did not realize 7 months was such a massive difference on here. My bad. Let's give you guys a better player. A player that ia playing a harder position, one of what appears to be the toughest fighters in the league, and a 2nd, in one the deepest drafts because of a 7 month gap.

 

[ole ole]

You wouldn't trade Joel Edmundson for Nick Robertson? lol

This is definitely one of those threads that will be fun to look back on.

I wouldn't either. If we can possibly get a late 1st for Joel Edmundson than i easily take that over Robertson.
I feel Robertson is not the player we should be going after.

I wouldn't either. Too many below 5'10 Top-6 or prospective Top-6 players already. This doesn't meant the value is completely off.

Exactly.

 

[Tanknation]

I wouldn't either. If we can possibly get a late 1st for Joel Edmundson than i easily take that over Robertson.
I feel Robertson is not the player we should be going after.


Exactly.

Yes. Edmundson will easily fetch a 1st at deadline. Great addition for any playoff team.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Yes. Edmundson will easily fetch a 1st at deadline. Great addition for any playoff team.

This. If Habs can and will get a 1st for Edmnunson at TDL, why should they trade for Robertson and helped the Leafs?

 

[HarrisonFord]

He's a winger who hasn't been able to establish himself at the NHL level 3 years after being drafted.


In what f***ing world does that type of player fetch a legit Top 4D... The far more valuable position.

How many non first round picks establish themselves at the NHL 3 years after being drafted?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

He's on a 55pt /22g pace with 10mins of icetime - maybe the comprehension issue is you not being able to look up his career stats?

No one is saying he's the exception to the rule.

He doesn't need to be Caufield, we have better players and aren't hand feeding him 4mins of PP each night because we have no one better.

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He doesn't have Caufield's talent, few do, but I also don't think he's so far behind that he needs multiple pages of you more or less going "tick tock, Nicky boy".

This doesn't even mention that Caufield is one of the worst defensive players in the entire league, and Keefe is working hard on getting Nick to back check since he won't be able to dominate offensively like Cole can.


Imagine if someone said last year, in Cole's 21 year old season, "you would be lucky to get a bottom pairing defenceman for him". Don't you think you might have thought it's time to pump the brakes?

There is no comparing a star player in Caufield to an unproven AHLer in Robertson. Both were drafted in the same draft year but Caufield has developed into a bonafide star. Robertson has yet to establish himself as an NhLer.

Apples to oranges.

 

[ole ole]

He's on a 55pt /22g pace with 10mins of icetime - maybe the comprehension issue is you not being able to look up his career stats?

No one is saying he's the exception to the rule.

He doesn't need to be Caufield, we have better players and aren't hand feeding him 4mins of PP each night because we have no one better.

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He doesn't have Caufield's talent, few do, but I also don't think he's so far behind that he needs multiple pages of you more or less going "tick tock, Nicky boy".

This doesn't even mention that Caufield is one of the worst defensive players in the entire league, and Keefe is working hard on getting Nick to back check since he won't be able to dominate offensively like Cole can.


Imagine if someone said last year, in Cole's 21 year old season, "you would be lucky to get a bottom pairing defenceman for him". Don't you think you might have thought it's time to pump the brakes?

Look he's not near the level of Caufield. I can't believe you even went there.

 

[bossram]

I'm sticking my neck out on this one, but it no longer makes sense that TOR is keeping Robertson out of the line up. I think he's only in and out for the purposes of being showcased.

Dubas has to improve the defense of this team is serious about contending. It really looks like Muzzin might be done. I felt like Kyle's UFA signings of Benn and Mete were a stop gap for a proper defensman who can play in the top 4.

Robertson might be their best trade chip at the moment. Can he fetch a top 4D alone? I'm not sure. Kyle can add on if he feels the urgency to replace Muzzin.

Does your non-contending team have a #3-4 D-man with a bit of term?

What's Robertson worth to you?

I don't really understand this narrative that the Leafs need a defenceman. They don't. Their defending is fine. They need a top-six forward.

The Leafs' issue stemming from multiple failed playoff runs is scoring. They're in the bottom-third of scoring so far this season. They need a legitimate top-six forward that can help create more rush and transition chances (the Leafs are too reliant on Ozone possession).

That will have the side effect of pushing a guy like Kerfoot into the bottom-six, which will help get more offense from down the lineup. It's not a good thing when David Kampf is one of your top 5v5 goal scorers.

If they're selling Robertson, it's for a forward upgrade now.

 

[KevinRedkey]

how many of you saying he doesn't fetch a top 4 D have actually seen him play ?

Apparently not you if you think he nets a real top 4 Dman.

 

[FerrisRox]

He doesn't need to be Caufield, we have better players and aren't hand feeding him 4mins of PP each night because we have no one better.

It seems pretty clear that you're not terribly interested in facts, but I'm curious how you arrived at the conclusion that Caufield is being "hand fed" four minutes of power play time each night?

Surely you realize that statistics are easily accessible to anyone who wants to look and surely you realize that by saying this, everyone with a half clue will be aware that you are simply lying in a sad effort to make a point.

I don't understand why you would come here and make up pure fiction about a player. Did you really think nobody would notice?

 

[BlueBaron]

Frankly, I don't even know why he's being offered. Robertson seems to me like the perfect guy to replace a high-salaried forward that will necessarily have to leave for roster-balance reasons.

I can see why some would question if he's a good fit for our current make up. He's a shooter which Nylander and JT lean toward and Auston is our top Gun. In EA sports terms we need two way forwards and power forwards in our two top LW spots, ideally. However when you snag a potential top 6 LW in the second round you try to make it work.

Also the Knies factor. Many of our fans already have him in the top 6 come playoffs.

I think it's possible we build a line around Nylander so Robertson can stay with JT but he'd need to show He's going to score consistently before that notion is plausible.

At 21 there is no urgency.

 

[MXD]

I can see why some would question if he's a good fit for our current make up. He's a shooter which Nylander and JT lean toward and Auston is our top Gun. In EA sports terms we need two way forwards and power forwards in our two top LW spots, ideally. However when you snag a potential top 6 LW in the second round you try to make it work.

Also the Knies factor. Many of our fans already have him in the top 6 come playoffs.

I think it's possible we build a line around Nylander so Robertson can stay with JT but he'd need to show He's going to score consistently before that notion is plausible.

At 21 there is no urgency.

Or just trade Nylander for a first pair D to balance things up a little more?

 

[BlueBaron]

Or just trade Nylander for a first pair D to balance things up a little more?

Heh. Well you know how it is. We'll see where we are after the first round. He won't be moved this year. This is the final run for Dubas and the 4 unless they advance. If so Nylander is the obvious easiest move for d as you say.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

It seems pretty clear that you're not terribly interested in facts, but I'm curious how you arrived at the conclusion that Caufield is being "hand fed" four minutes of power play time each night?

Surely you realize that statistics are easily accessible to anyone who wants to look and surely you realize that by saying this, everyone with a half clue will be aware that you are simply lying in a sad effort to make a point.

I don't understand why you would come here and make up pure fiction about a player. Did you really think nobody would notice?

I think he is a kid. He has similar posts in multiple threads.