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NHLPA investigating FORMER Leafs GM Dubas' agent for possible violation
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CincoHolio
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Kyle was buddies with his agent in Uni. That's why he works with him in particular.
You're kidding yourselves if you think a "beneficial to all agreement" could not happen where; 2 agents who work at the same firm each repping 2 of the highest profile clients in hockey; employed by the same organization. oh, and by the way, one of those clients has immense influence over the other clients salary.
And now, all of the Dubas camps theatrics over his last week as GM kinda make sense.
You're kidding yourselves if you think a "beneficial to all agreement" could not happen where; 2 agents who work at the same firm each repping 2 of the highest profile clients in hockey; employed by the same organization. oh, and by the way, one of those clients has immense influence over the other clients salary.
And now, all of the Dubas camps theatrics over his last week as GM kinda make sense.
Petrus
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Even if that is the case Wasserman as an entity is involved. This would not matter if Dubas’s agent is employed as an independent agent and has no connection to Wasserman.
Yes you are correct, and anybody denying this just has their head in the sand. Unless that agency just really hates money.
I'll give you full credit Waffles - you were trying to have discussions about this long before it was a thing.I made some very calm and level-headed arguments in 2019 that the unprecedented dramatic overpayments stunk of something beyond mere incompetence and should be investigated.
Or like this one below. Very calm and level-headed. You have to click the links to see my post. Those words below aren't mine for some reason.
Kyle Dubas appreciation / hot seat discussion ***Mod warning in OP***
Dubas is an idiot. But the damage is done and the only thing we can hope for is he'll be fired within the next 2-3 years and let a real GM handle the next wave of contracts.forums.hfboards.com
This is a good one too.
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This Wasserman agent is new, he wasn't around during Dubas's initial contract. Shanahan said as much during the press conference. He asked Dubas who his agent was and Dubas said the agent would reach out to Shanahan, implying this agent is new. I don't think its crazy to assume Shanahan: a) did not know which agency this new agent Dubas had was from
b) in another vein may not have known which agency Matthew's agent was from even if he did know where Dubas's agent was as Dubas was the one negotiating not Shanahan with Matthew's agent. He probably knew Matthew's agents name and so on but agency is up for debate.
I think it's very possible Shanahan and the Leafs only found out about this once it came on the news post firing. With all the mud Dubas has been spreading about Shanahan it's possible he took this news and made a complaint to the NHLPA.
I don't see the incentive for the agency to do any shady deal with Dubas for Matthews. Matthews was going to get whatever he asked for whether that be through Dubas or through an offer sheet and it wouldn't have been particularly hard either.
Leaf Fans
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Apparently, according to the latest news Armstrong was involved with the NHL side as well. Not "formally" but assisted. This is getting very interesting.
One thing we can do for certain is get rid of the word "conspiracy" in regards to this.
There is no conspiracy here - Both Matthews and Dubas work with Wasserman - this is a fact.
The NHLPA isn't doing an investigation - more of an inquiry about the relationships between all the parties. This kind of thing is clearly allowed too - there's no rules anywhere saying that a GM and a player can't share the same agency.
What people wanna know is that when Dubas negotiated these contracts - was he doing it in the best interest of the Leafs or was he working with Wasserman to help them, himself and Auston more than helping the Leafs?
Two things about Kyle during his tenure here that make me question some things:
1. He was married to this core no matter what, defended them to the death every playoff failure.
2. The NMC's aligned directly with his own contract expiring. Mitch's specifically kicking in 2 years from free agency - unluckily aligning it directly beside Matthews'.
There is no conspiracy here - Both Matthews and Dubas work with Wasserman - this is a fact.
The NHLPA isn't doing an investigation - more of an inquiry about the relationships between all the parties. This kind of thing is clearly allowed too - there's no rules anywhere saying that a GM and a player can't share the same agency.
What people wanna know is that when Dubas negotiated these contracts - was he doing it in the best interest of the Leafs or was he working with Wasserman to help them, himself and Auston more than helping the Leafs?
Two things about Kyle during his tenure here that make me question some things:
1. He was married to this core no matter what, defended them to the death every playoff failure.
2. The NMC's aligned directly with his own contract expiring. Mitch's specifically kicking in 2 years from free agency - unluckily aligning it directly beside Matthews'.
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Petrus
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If Dubas accepts the proposal in the scenario I put forward both Wasserman and Dubas are acting Unethically.
Then go flip on CBC or something.
There's a real discussion to be had here and if you don't wanna have it - go away.
Leaf Fans
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If Dubas accepted it, I would agree. However, the scenario only includes the offer. A completely fictional ( at this point anyway) one.
Malachi Crunch
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You don’t think Shannahan knew who he was talking to for months getting a contract set up for offer to Kyle?
justashadowof
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It's a common logical fallacy that most simpler folks use. Not much to pay attention to.
Petrus
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Perhaps, the commission structure is such that the agency earns more as the AAV increases.
All it is needed is for the guy at MLSE who makes the contact decisions agree by giving a cut of the additional commissions.
In addition the relationship is solidified long term for future negotiations.
Petrus
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It was meant to be hypothetical to illustrate how a conflict of interest might arise. I did not want to state Dubas would accept it. But I think it was a given in the scenario I put forward.
Bottom line the optics of this are not good all involved.
PromisedLand
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I was berated for saying the same stuff in the dubas thread.
I wonder what the same folks say now
Where in what I said did you get that takeaway? He knew he was talking to a guy named Armstrong. Did he know he was from Wasserman? Not necessarily.
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ToDavid
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A partner of one of the biggest agencies in hockey (which he very likely still has a significant ownership stake in) is running the Habs and you’re writing conspiracy theories about a guy who was an agent for like a week a decade ago lol.
Petrus
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Everyone: Wasserman corporate, Dubas, the Agent, even Shanahan for the lack of oversight.
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