NHLPA investigating FORMER Leafs GM Dubas' agent for possible violation

[57 Years No Cup]

I hear ya. I think I've made my peace that if a player is determined to put self before the club and at the expense of the club, really, its good riddance to bad rubbish. Its a non-starting point. And maybe, it really is just a numbers thing: For $13-$14M dollars, we can sign two quality pieces and move from there.

Even from the smell test, it kind of irks me that there's a possibility that Matthews and his agent are going to try and exploit us again. That spirit will just fester and mold in the locker room. And when I think about it, its got to repel clubs coming in that Matthews and Marner, talented as all-get-out as they are, transpose their talent into an err of entitlement without the measure of effort to justify it.

Babcock saw it when he said to Matthews something to the effect, "You're in trouble when your talent exceeds your work ethic...". Pegged Marner too. If it wasn't for Babcock's treatment of Johan Franzen I'd empathize with him a little more.

At any rate, don't know if the floor is going to fall out, but don't mind at all if the door is going to get kicked in.

I believe you've identified the cancer(s) in the locker room. It boggles the mind how so many fans want to run it back (AGAIN) after several years of failure.

It ain't gonna work, folks.

 

[The Apologist]

I believe you've identified the cancer(s) in the locker room. It boggles the mind how so many fans want to run it back (AGAIN) after several years of failure.

It ain't gonna work, folks.

I don't believe they are cancers at all and won't judge them based on a whole lot of public speculation, my main concern is that it does feel the players were close to Dubas.

The whole circus this week probably doesn't help. The whole atmosphere here in Toronto is not an easy one to deal with. We take our team very seriously and our media is well aware that controversy and negativity sells. Worrying about dumbass reporters calling my mom to find out what stupid shit I did as a twelve year old to prove how selfish I am or asking my neighbour about medical conditions can't be fun.

I can't help but believe that 15m in an American market (even the biggest ones) would be super enticing.

 

[Petrus]

Hate this guy as a GM but only to actual reasons.

This looks well planted just to make his name look bad. Not buying it.

Why even stoop to this level anyways, his results alone make him look bad, you don't need to do anything extra

Friedman says he looked into it and it’s not the Leaf’s that are involved in this.

It was “agent driven”. He goes on and says some agents feel very strongly about it and others who don’t.

He says Dubas did not violate the rules in place.

Friedman did good work here. Kudos to him.

 

[hfman]

I’m still not following.

lol i've already posted it twice. surely you can catch on? this is like explaining something to a child lol

 

[ITM]

lol i've already posted it twice. surely you can catch on? this is like explaining something to a child lol

Nah. You’ve TRIED to explain your “observation” but were obviously thinking of another post when you misquoted mine.

Then, you doubled-down on whatever nonsensical hypothetical you attempted to peddle as however plausible despite being completely irrelevant.

Like, Sport…I actually apologized for not being able to follow what I’ll now refer to as your babble. And as far as your first response to me was, you insulting me for asking for further clarification demonstrates you’ve got some “special” filters for synthesis and analysis.

Put the Bud Lights down and circle back after you’ve reread the exchange.

Cheers!

 

[egd27]

I believe you've identified the cancer(s) in the locker room. It boggles the mind how so many fans want to run it back (AGAIN) after several years of failure.

It ain't gonna work, folks.

Cancer may be a bit strong, but there is speculation that AM isn't big on dressing room etiquette and that doesn't always go over well.

 

[hfman]

Then, you doubled-down on whatever nonsensical hypothetical you attempted to peddle as however plausible despite being completely irrelevant.

now thats a word salad if i ever saw one

let me decipher it some more, and then maybe i'll be back later...or maybe not lol

 

[JT AM da real deal]

But poor taste is just form, its not a reflection of the substance of Shanahan's legitimacy. If what Shanahan relayed is true, that's monumental.

Now I've heard a few pundits say the same thing: Shanahan airing dirty laundry was poor form.

Ten years ago and beyond, sure. With today's media model I think hammering an unequivocal explanation for the fans and for everyone in the locker room was vital precisely because Dubas picked the arena for a fight Shanahan didn't know he was in.

So what we know is the following:

First Stage: Dubas and Shanahan agreed to an offer in principal that Shanahan forwarded based on Dubas' agent's communication. Dubas and Shanahan had a discussion about Dubas holding a presser to sidle alongside is battle-worn Coach and players; Shanahan...SHANAHAN...wanted Dubas to confirm the principally agreed upon deal before Dubas faced the public. Dubas...DUBAS...decided to move forward against Shanahan's advice which was predicated on finalizing Dubas as Toronto's GM.

Second Stage: Dubas holds the press conference and proceeds to cite a myriad of reasons and then states plainly that he's unsure he's going to stay with the Leafs or go on sabbatical. Per Shanahan's subsequent press conference, at that moment Shanahan reacted to the surprise revelation by shifting in thought to the idea PRESENTED BY DUBAS...that Dubas might not be back. Meanwhile, Shanahan never revoked his good faith offer and didn't react with a press conference or press release to counter Dubas' professed doubt.

Let that sink in...Despite claims to the contrary, Shanahan absorbed the blindside and allowed the previously agreed upon good faith offer to remain. Does that sound petty? Doesn't that read like precisely the reaction the media said they wanted after flipping the script on Shanahan post-Shanahan presser? But zero acknowledgment.

Third Stage: Thursday: Two full days with no communication from Dubas or his agent, Shanahan receives the counter offer. That's the second blindside...Three if you count two business days post-guerilla presser without confirmation or response. In the counter-offer we know there was a request for more money; Not a problem for MLSE on principal. Speculation has been that the counter offer included excised power from Shanahan's portfolio: Blindside #4. Good faith returned with a impersonal power grab is the height of insult in the situation Shanahan furnished for Dubas.

Next, Dubas apparently aware of what he's done - and we can only speculate here - emails Shanahan personally, steps over his agent's counter-offer and unequivocally states he wants to be the GM.

This is a good moment to pause and consider the four blindsides (in totality) that Shanahan is considering, mindful of the premise by which he folded Dubas into the organization, the choice of Dubas from other (better) options, and the stake his reputation and legacy had been invested upon...

Fifth Stage: Shanahan elects not to respond to Dubas's email or his agent's previous email and decides to sleep on his response.

Sixth Stage: Shanahan decides to drive over to Dubas' office -- now remember...Dubas couldn't be bothered to confirm a good faith agreement remotely in two business days, but could send a counter-offer through his agent the day before -- and inform Dubas that Toronto is heading in a different direction.

So...Given the events unravel as they have, I don't see where Shanahan's error in form or substance lies. I know echo chambers provide the appearance of safe opinion and that all the more raises my opinion of Shanahan bucking the politic approach all the more.

I think as time moves on, whether we rise or fall, at least there's a sense that bullshit isn't celebrated in Toronto. And I'll take that solidity and that sense of a spine returning over the constant unsustainable and relativistic "narratives" any old day.

Nothing against Steve Dangle and others, but if we're going to be a (hockey) culture of integrity that means taking a side and hammering the other on occasion when the other takes liberties and doing so while faulting you for not applauding their betrayal.

And dats da facts, Jack.

Edited to say: And if Pittsburgh is a real thing...Yikes: "Loyalty".

You have laid it all out there .. and I can see why Shanny bailed on Dubie .. but I am old school and personally I would have taken da high road and not exposed everything to da public .. i am still surprised Shanny did that .. it must have been worse then reported

 

[Squiffy]

Have we decided that a 15 page thread is an over reaction yet, or are we still expecting Dubas to be declared persona non grata in the NHL with some Leaf picks tossed out the window to boot?

She's a long offseason, but lets hope it doesn't get worse then this one.

 

[Ciao]

Dubas is such an amateur in every way.

Totally unqualified to be working at the professional level.

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

It looks like FSG, at least, holds a completely different opinion of Kyle Dubas.

 

[Donnie740]

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

It looks like FSG, at least, holds a completely different opinion of Kyle Dubas.

Gord Stellick also got a second opportunity after his disastrous tenure in Toronto.

Let’s see how long Dubas can last before he’s fired in Pittsburgh. I’d put the O/U at 3 years.

 

[Ciao]

Gord Stellick also got a second opportunity after his disastrous tenure in Toronto.

Let’s see how long Dubas can last before he’s fired in Pittsburgh. I’d put the O/U at 3 years.

Hey, you already think you're much smarter than the people who own sports teams and hire executives, so why would that slow down your silly vendetta against Kyle Dubas now?