NHLPA investigating FORMER Leafs GM Dubas' agent for possible violation

[Dekes For Days]

Walks a guy into free agency lol

That's not even true. 5 years (which buys a UFA year) is the most common term for top-end post-ELC contracts throughout the cap era.

 

[GoonieFace]

I'm shocked anybody could think anything else. I'm not sure how people see two unrelated agents sharing an agency, and create this conspiracy theory about some massive, multi-year collusion scheme between Matthews and Dubas. Come on.

Seems a little fishy, may be something, may not be. But given the slimy rat nature of Dubas, it wouldn’t be shocking.

 

[yubbers]

Shanny did this, didn't he? LOL

No way the timing is a coincidence.

 

[Kurtz]

No.

Different agents, same firm, I see no conflicts.

Read the article. It doesn't matter that you personally see no conflict. It's undisputed that if two certified agents work for the same firm, that it is 100% a conflict.

The only thing that is potentially saving Dubas/the agent is that the agent was not NHLPA certified and thus not necessarily subjected to the same rules.

 

[The Iceman]

PROOF...Kyle speaking to his agent and Matthews agent.

 

[3blizzard4]

To all those who said this was a non issue.

 

[notbias]

Read the article. It doesn't matter that you personally see no conflict. It's undisputed that if two certified agents work for the same firm, that it is 100% a conflict.

The only thing that is potentially saving Dubas/the agent is that the agent was not NHLPA certified and thus not necessarily subjected to the same rules.

So no rules were broken... what's the issue?

 

[Squiffy]

PROOF...Kyle speaking to his agent and Matthews agent.

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There we go boys, Iceman has f***ing nailed this guy to the cross. Proof positive.

 

[CDN24]

Actually while it could be a conflict I don't think its the player who who could be screwed over here. If you are this agency and you can only represent one the money maker for the agency is the player. There are 32 GMs collectively and what 800 players, these agencies are not going to screw over 800 players to keep their 32 GM clients happy. Don't see how the NHLPA could have a real issue here, the only screw job one could see is a team being screwed because the GM is in conflict. GM says okay I won't negotiate as hard on Player X but you guys have to do my negotiation on the cheap. That could happen. Might help explain that 5 yr contract someone got

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Wasserman presents Dubas with x contract proposal from a Leaf player. Wasserman says accept the offer and we will make sure you get a split of commissions and we will also lower any fees you might incur or waive them when using our services. In addition lower demands in future player negotiations.

This is where I think it is problem. I am not saying this is what happening. But this scenario could happen.

The optics are just as important as the truth; Sometimes even more important.

That scenario is completely unethical .. i get what you are saying but i always thought you could setup chinese walls between agents at same agency .. i know 20 years when i bought one of my businesses i used a lawyer at Fraser Milner and old owner had another lawyer at Fraser Milner too .. i was told it was ok and things went fine

 

[Larcos_Unal]

If Dubas is technically still employed by the Leafs, is he allowed to be talking with PIT and having meetings with Sid? Seems like we're gonna go ahead and need their first round pick right quick.

 

[Squiffy]

If Dubas is technically still employed by the Leafs, is he allowed to be talking with PIT and having meetings with Sid? Seems like we're gonna go ahead and need their first round pick right quick.

They'd have have to have asked for permission for sure, equally sure to have it granted.

No comp for exec's anymore.

 

[sxvnert]

Dubas has gone from being too nice and soft with everyone to an evil mastermind in the last few days, it has been fun to see people do a 180.

mastermind is debatable.

 

[therealkoho]

Hmm the gm lays down for Matthews the player he shares an agent with

Fights Will and Mitch hammer and tongs

Seriously, I've heard and have had enough of the BS.

Do any of you ever wonder why no team post his PeeWee years have ever put a C on him.

Do you ever wonder why multiple players have punched, face washed, cross checked and generally roughed Matthews up and only once did any Leaf offer any pushback

 

[therealkoho]

Now the law is after him and he skips town. He must have been tipped off.

Now that's funny

 

[Petrus]

That scenario is completely unethical .. i get what you are saying but i always thought you could setup chinese walls between agents at same agency .. i know 20 years when i bought one of my businesses i used a lawyer at Fraser Milner and old owner had another lawyer at Fraser Milner too .. i was told it was ok and things went fine

I think you could with some sort signed agreement acknowledging the potential conflict and indemnifying the organization(s) or party(s) from any harm.

I really don’t think anything unethical is happening. It’s probably Dubas helping a friend earned commissions similar to how we appoint lfriends for Realestate transactions.

I would think that is more likely. But as I said the optics of this are certainly are strange.

 

[Kaladin]

So no rules were broken... what's the issue?

I don't know if you are actually capable of this but could you stop being a huge homer for two seconds and put down your Dubas coloured glasses? Thanks. Now, think from a Leafs fan perspective. Is it ideal that your GM has a agent he is close with at the same agency that the team's star player has an agent too in the leadup to one of the biggest contract negotiations the Leafs have ever faced? Forget what's in the actual black and white rules is this actually something that is in the Leaf's best interests? Of course not. And I don't want to hear that the two agents don't talk to each other at the agency lol no one is that naive. At the very least the optics are terrible and should not be encouraged.

 

[Trapper]

Now that's funny

Looking for Dubas

 

[ShaneFalco]

Hmm the gm lays down for Matthews the player he shares an agent with

Fights Will and Mitch hammer and tongs

Seriously, I've heard and have had enough of the BS.

Do any of you ever wonder why no team post his PeeWee years have ever put a C on him.

Do you ever wonder why multiple players have punched, face washed, cross checked and generally roughed Matthews up and only once did any Leaf offer any pushback

Same with JT
Just watch your captain getting man-handled and skate away

 

[ITM]

Isn't it going to affect certification renewal given the 2022 prohibition mentioned in the article of note? I think the quote from the "long-time agent" on the heels of "Multiple agents" believing the issue being "cut and dried" is also of interest.

The idea (I would think) being that engaging in an activity that poses an actual or potential conflict to good faith representation/negotiation(s) is what's at play. Thats not small potatoes

This kinda, sorta feels like a powder kept dry moment.

Interesting days.

 

[yubbers]

Crosby is aiding and abetting a fugitive. SMH.

Does PA have extradition restrictions?

 

[AvroArrow]

That's not even true. 5 years (which buys a UFA year) is the most common term for top-end post-ELC contracts throughout the cap era.

How many of them over 11M ? Spoiler: 0

Also walked straight into FA, with a complete NMC. Everyone knew how stupid this contract was the moment it was signed, but now it looks even worse

 

[fahad203]

Wasn't Kyle an agent himself?

 

[Stephen]

It’s weird that the NHLPA is looking at it. Would it be implying that this hurts the player side of things?

 

[Stephen]

Wasn't Kyle an agent himself?

Well yes. And he’s signed his former guys I believe. But that’s fairly typical, like Pierre Lacroix recruiting and trading for Patrick Roy in Colorado.