NHL & Vegas Part Deuces Wild: Betting it all on Black (Knights)

[the4thlinegrinder]

I like the Las Vegas Knights. Imagine a billboard in Vancouver or Winnipeg advertising the team to get out of towners; "Come for the nights, stay for the Knights"

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I like the Las Vegas Knights. Imagine a billboard in Vancouver or Winnipeg advertising the team to get out of towners; "Come for the nights, stay for the Knights"

"Las Vegas: You'll like the days, you'll love the Knights!"

 

[Brodie]

Las Vegas Isotopes

 

[Mightygoose]

NP's take from Bettman's talk on Sportsnet earlier today. Nothing there that we don't know already.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...n-says-we-dont-have-any-teams-that-are-moving

He said there was no deadline for the drive.

“If they’re still doing the drive in September, my guess is it’s not going to make it,” he said. “We’ll find out. My guess is over the next few weeks

That's the Foley group's deadline to the league (30th)

 

[Fenway]

Hockey Las Vegas just called my cellphone with a special offer

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Safe to say this ticket drive will be a success. In a matter of a month or two they will reach the 10,000 ticket goal. After that, add another couple thousand season tickets sold to the casinos waiting in the wings plus all the suites and loges and I'm sure 13,000 - 14,000 seats will be spoken for.

Once this has been established any guesses as to when the Las Vegas Whatevers begin their ignaurable season? 2016-17? Would that be too soon? Perhaps 2017-18?

 

[BattleBorn]

Once this has been established any guesses as to when the Las Vegas Whatevers begin their ignaurable season? 2016-17? Would that be too soon? Perhaps 2017-18?

Has to be 16-17 or they have to do a new ticket drive.

Hockey Las Vegas just called my cellphone with a special offer

I've met the Toni, she's a great lady. Caps fan that retired here from Washington and came out of retirement just to help with the drive.

 

[GindyDraws]

Not so much. If you use any kind of likeness on a 3rd jersey or whatever, even build a promotion around Elvis, you'd have to go through Authentic Brands who control the physical & intellectual property rights and like their forerunners in EPE from whom they acquired those rights... highly litigious. So depending on the parameters, if such was contemplated then for sure their attorneys would be wise to talk with Authentic first, quickly discovering that rights fee's would be required. Just how much would depend on just what it was they wanted to do, how they planned to use the image, iconography. Dead celebrities, huge, sophisticated & highly lucrative sub-genre of the endorsement sector.

Oh, I know. But, you cannot sue under "parody law" if they don't deliberately refer to Elvis as Elvis, which is why all depictions of 1970s Elvis (the one they don't acknowledge) are referred to as "Rhinestone Jumpsuit Man" or "Overweight Southern Singer".

But, yeah, they were the pioneers of getting people to pay them to get the visual rights, as they have sued churches and schools over it. So I thought that should be discussed.

 

[TheLegend]

Because of two reasons:

1. Bettman wants the expansion fee from Las Vegas, and
2. The league does not want to relocate the Coyotes, nor does the team's owner, Andrew Barroway.

For the nine hundred seventy-five millionth time, the NHL is going to exhaust all possibilities it can to avoid seeing another team relocate because expansion is more profitable and because relocation is a sign of overall weakness.

You left out a third reason.

The NHL doesn't operate like a video game or fantasy league.

 

[cutchemist42]

If anyone is interested Bettman talks Vegas in about the last 5-10 mins of PTS last night. Here's the link

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20150304_180613--Prime-Time-Sports---March-4---5pm.mp3

 

[Mightygoose]

If anyone is interested Bettman talks Vegas in about the las 5-10 mins of PTS last night. Here's the link

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/pts/pt_20150304_180613--Prime-Time-Sports---March-4---5pm.mp3

It's a good listen. Though not much new he made an interesting comment about being the first major league in the market.

Paraphrase: Whoever ends up being first, will also be the last.

Well with MLS taking a pass for the time being, the NHL has no competition and looks like it will stay that way.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

It's a good listen. Though not much new he made an interesting comment about being the first major league in the market.

That's probably the biggest possible hook for a Vegas team, and likely why they're rushing the process somewhat.

 

[knorthern knight]

Oh, I know. But, you cannot sue under "parody law" if they don't deliberately refer to Elvis as Elvis, which is why all depictions of 1970s Elvis (the one they don't acknowledge) are referred to as "Rhinestone Jumpsuit Man" or "Overweight Southern Singer".

But, yeah, they were the pioneers of getting people to pay them to get the visual rights, as they have sued churches and schools over it. So I thought that should be discussed.

A major league sports franchise with "deep pockets" will not be able to hide behind that excuse, especially if they use the likeness to generate income. If they want to do it, their attorney will probably tell them to do it right, pay the required royalties, and avoid lawsuits.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

If a Vegas team had a mascot that was effectively just a foam fat Elvis, I think that'd be one thing and easily fall under the parody category.

Actually having a logo with it, though? Eh... I'm guessing that Graceland would have more than a thing or two to say about that.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

What. So there are still season tickets available for the Las Vegas ticket drive? Who woulda thunk...

 

[BattleBorn]

What. So there are still season tickets available for the Las Vegas ticket drive? Who woulda thunk...

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing. We were hoping to do it five months sooner than Columbus, Nashville, and Minnesota without being actually granted a team first. I guess four and a half months will have to work.

 

[IceAce]

Interesting marketing idea

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...l-team-owner-strikes-deal-opportunity-village

Prospective NHL team owner strikes deal with Opportunity Village

Bill Foley, prospective owner of a possible NHL team in Las Vegas, has already cut the team’s first business deal with a local organization.

Even though the NHL Board of Governors has not yet approved a team for Las Vegas, the Foley-led Hockey Vision Las Vegas has agreed to pay $1 per ticket sold in its first year to Opportunity Village, a Las Vegas not-for-profit that helps people with intellectual disabilities.

...

Opportunity Village would receive $717,500 the first year if all 17,500 seats are sold per game for the entire 41-game home schedule.

In return, the popular charity will use its vast network of contacts to spread the word that Foley-Maloof wants 10,000 season ticket deposits in Las Vegas to show NHL team owners and league officials that the Las Vegas market is worthy of a team. After launching the ticket deposit campaign on Feb. 10, Hockey Vision has more than 7,000 deposits.

 

[Brodie]

Graceland doesn't own the rights to coiffed hair. You can effectively parody Elvis without making it so explicitly Elvis.

 

[LeafShark]

It's been a while since their last update. I'd like to see if they hit 8k tickets yet.

 

[LadyStanley]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/34910/bettman-not-concerned-with-slowing-vegas-ticket-momentum

Bettman not concerned with slowing momentum

 

[Killion]

Bettman not concerned with slowing momentum

Pierre LeBrun tells us "there is no Deadline.... going into September" etc. I was under the impression there was/is in fact a Deadline, that Gary Bettman wanted this wrapped up no later than the end of May ahead of the scheduled NHL BOG's Meeting no?..... Thats been the gist of a lot of the conversation here. That an announcement could come during the Playoffs, during or after, coinciding with the BOG's Meeting. Theres no way this is going to take longer than a few weeks max from todays date to hit the targeted 10,000. No idea what LeBrun is on about there suggesting no deadline... that Foley might not reach 10,000 until September. Crazy talk.

 

[Fugu]

Pierre LeBrun tells us "there is no Deadline.... going into September" etc. I was under the impression there was/is in fact a Deadline, that Gary Bettman wanted this wrapped up no later than the end of May ahead of the scheduled NHL BOG's Meeting no?..... Thats been the gist of a lot of the conversation here. That an announcement could come during the Playoffs, during or after, coinciding with the BOG's Meeting. Theres no way this is going to take longer than a few weeks max from todays date to hit the targeted 10,000. No idea what LeBrun is on about there suggesting no deadline... that Foley might not reach 10,000 until September. Crazy talk.

I thought Bettman said something along the lines that if we're into September and they haven't reached their goal, it wouldn't be the best thing.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Pierre LeBrun tells us "there is no Deadline.... going into September" etc. I was under the impression there was/is in fact a Deadline, that Gary Bettman wanted this wrapped up no later than the end of May ahead of the scheduled NHL BOG's Meeting no?..... Thats been the gist of a lot of the conversation here. That an announcement could come during the Playoffs, during or after, coinciding with the BOG's Meeting. Theres no way this is going to take longer than a few weeks max from todays date to hit the targeted 10,000. No idea what LeBrun is on about there suggesting no deadline... that Foley might not reach 10,000 until September. Crazy talk.

Killion,

First off, I enjoy reading your comments and agree with you most of the time (one notable exception - your belief the an NHL franchise could be supported in the Phoenix area, but I digress...)

Your witty comments make me laugh which is always a good thing

Do you know if this ticket drive is like the Jets ticket drive where you have to make an X-year commitment right up front?

 

[BattleBorn]

Do you know if this ticket drive is like the Jets ticket drive where you have to make an X-year commitment right up front?

Deposits are made with a 1, 3, 5, or 10 year commitment.

Lower level (except the ends) is 3, 5, or 10
Upper deck (plus ends) is 1, 3, or 5.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Deposits are made with a 1, 3, 5, or 10 year commitment.

Lower level (except the ends) is 3, 5, or 10
Upper deck (plus ends) is 1, 3, or 5.

Thanks for the info Battle. Good luck to the hockey fans of Las Vegas.

P.S. You may notice that I still have a burr in my saddle (and yes, I do have horses), from losing the Jets 1.0 to Phoenix in 1996. I still don't believe that Phoenix/Glendale has proved that they can support an NHL franchise. Maybe Las Vegas can - time will tell.