NHL & Vegas Part Deuces Wild: Betting it all on Black (Knights)
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If Vegas gets a team, what are the chances that they go with the name "Las Vegas Posse"?
I'll find it a slim chance.
Personally i like the Black Knight name better. Then we can do monty python jokes on them.
PCSPounder
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Most of the states you're talking about have more goats than people. Then there's Portland and Oregon, who'd rather have a team in Moda Center, thankyouverymuch.
Moreover, to get an RSN that actually matters means somehow connecting with Root. The Mariners own Root. If SoDo, Root? If no Root, any RSN? Really?
Comcast NW? Do you really think that'll tip the scales with the Dishes, knowing Root is tight with them? Will playing second fiddle to the Blazers help?
An NHL team in Seattle will be alright. {mod}
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IceAce
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Keep in mind here they're soliciting deposits on something that may never happen. Sales would be at their "briskest" if we were talking about a ticket drive that was for a guaranteed franchise either via expansion or relocation. These deposits are for a potential team that may never exist, and one in the best case scenario isn't playing a game until 2016-2017. A much harder sell then when the Jets coming to Winnipeg was basically imminent.
I don't quite understand the expectations that A) these were all going to be sold within the first few days, and B) the fact there aren't daily updates of progress on social media is indicative of poor sales?
BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
I don't expect updates very often, but hopefully we'll get one soon so I can stop worrying about it.
I really don't think there will be an announcement at 10,000 unless it takes a few more weeks to get there. There is absolutely no benefit to announcing when the team hits 10,000 deposits if they do it quickly. Silence could go either way at this point.
BattleBorn
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They're doing their first real public appearance since the drive began at one of the local ice arenas for a youth game as well.
lvwranglersfan
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It's not at a youth game, it's the Las Vegas Storm, Tier 3 junior in the WSHL.
Voight
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Good thing about LV getting a team is it will likely lead to the development of more youth hockey teams/programs and more arenas. Its worked in PHX, who are now producing top prospects like Auston Matthews. LA too with the likes of Emerson Etem and Beau Bennett.
GindyDraws
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BattleBorn
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I'm guessing we're at 9,000 - 10,000 based on what I'm hearing from people who have absolutely no inside information. Random people I run into at work that talk about their tickets and people they know that have placed deposits and the odds have got to be pretty low that I'd just run into so many people.
I do ask pretty much everyone, though.
Gormo
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So a city with a dizzying array of entertainment options, located near where 2 different desert regions intersect with 100+ daytime heat for months at a time, is having difficulty generating interest in a niche sport played on ice.
I'm sorry to say this, but to me this actually makes a lot of sense.
I'm sorry to say this, but to me this actually makes a lot of sense.
What does the weather have to do with anything? During the season it's absolutely fantastic, like every other sunbelt team. And there's a whole lot of people that live there that aren't really interested in going to a show or the casinos every night.
I'm not sure where you get the impression they're having difficulty. It was never going to sell out in minutes like a Canadian team would.
BattleBorn
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Maybe someday Seattle will get its act together so we can all find out.
I did get a call from Hockey Vision a few days ago with some questions on my deposit. Apparently the initial rush of deposits screwed something up so they needed to know what section I wanted and the term we were looking for. This was 8 days after I put my deposit down and I made the deposit four minutes after the drive started.
This drive was never set up for speed, in my opinion. This isn't Winnipeg, this is Foley making sure it's real and that it's worth going ahead. As I've mentioned a few times they could literally have 14,000 deposits right now and it would make zero sense to announce the ticket drive is over.
Killion
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Interesting. Possible the system crashed. Did they actually have it broken right down into seating sections price pointed, then given options with respect to length of subscription, payment plans & terms? Or was it just a "ya, I'll buy $30/$50/$75/$125/$175 tickets and sign on for 3-5-7 years" or whatever and "Id like to break up the payments over 3/6/12 months" type deal?
BattleBorn
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You selected your section, the number of tickets, and your term when you placed the deposit.
For example, if you were going with a pair of P2 Lower Corner season tickets for a three year term, you'd select your P2 section, say you want two tickets, and give them $1,000 for your deposit. Term didn't change the deposit, and the only mention of payment plans was that they would be available should a team be awarded to Vegas.
Apparently the issue was that the site didn't relay the section, number of tickets, and term to the organization. So, the site would take your $1,000, but Hockey Vision wouldn't know if you wanted two P2 lower corners at $500/each or two P3 lower ends at $500 each. The same issue could come up with the upper levels if the details didn't come through, since the deposit amounts were the same. Four upper end tickets would have the same monetary deposit as two upper center tickets.
Don't know if this was just a temporary issue with the system during the initial rush on the first day, or if it's an issue with the entire thing. I didn't ask.
ETA: Something else worth considering: Since there isn't actually a team yet and the NHL granted permission to use the shield and NHL trademark for the ticket drive, there may be an issue branding-wise between the end of the ticket drive and the possible awarding of a team. I'd have to assume the league only allowed use of the trademarks for the drive so they can protect the trademarks if there isn't a team awarded, meaning Hockey Vision Las Vegas would wind up in limbo after the ticket drive officially ended. They wouldn't be able to market the team as an NHL potential team after the drive officially ended. Giving even more reason for Hockey Vision to not announce an "end" of the drive.
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Voight
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Seattle wouldn't sell out that fast either. No team is going to sell out like WPG did.
Killion
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I see, and interesting.... you go for lower bowl corner seating yourself? Thats where I like to sit. Maybe 20-30 rows up in the corner. Best perspective IMO, also in the opinion of most Scouts who almost all gravitate to the 4 corners as well.... as for the use of NHL logo etc, I suspect your right, didnt think that through myself but yes, your logic makes sense though Id go a lot further. I think this was/is a done deal even before the ticket drive was launched. Vegas is desperate, starving for major league entry & I cant imagine there was ever any serious doubt as to the outcome, easily hitting 10,000+ and in short order. Whats also noteworthy is how the suites seemingly appear to have been lapped up pretty quickly.
Information on who are the "Founding 50" here: Meet the Las Vegas Founding 50
We already knew about Daniel Negreanu, Floyd Mayweather, and Dana White. A new name not mentioned before is Rick Harrison from the TV show Pawn Stars. Lots of Las Vegas power players on the list but notably absent is many of MGM's larger competitors like Sheldon Adelson (Venetian,Palazzo), Steve Wynn, and the Fertittas (Station Casinos). Will the team be considered an "MGM's thing" by the other big casino companies and ignored?
We already knew about Daniel Negreanu, Floyd Mayweather, and Dana White. A new name not mentioned before is Rick Harrison from the TV show Pawn Stars. Lots of Las Vegas power players on the list but notably absent is many of MGM's larger competitors like Sheldon Adelson (Venetian,Palazzo), Steve Wynn, and the Fertittas (Station Casinos). Will the team be considered an "MGM's thing" by the other big casino companies and ignored?
Mightygoose
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Interesting thought. Though with Winnipeg's drive, it took place before a team was awarded too and they had use of the NHL shield. There was no issue there when they reached their goal and ending the drive.
If it was announced when they reached the half mark, to me it would make sense they would announce once they reach the goal. It's still early in the drive so I'm sure they well still on track.
BattleBorn
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The Winnipeg drive took place the day after it was announced that the Thrashers were moving to Winnipeg (though the vote hadn't yet happened, it was a done deal,) which would eliminate the need to draw it out if they hadn't sold out so quickly. They could go from The "True North Ticket Drive" to the "Winnipeg NHL Team" immediately after the announcement the drive was successful and closed.
If Hockey Vision LV announced today that the season ticket drive was closed, they would likely have to stop using the shield and league wordmark until the franchise was awarded, effectively ending any possible marketing in the time between the end of the drive and the announcement of a franchise, which could be months.
BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
The Boyds are in. Stations is pretty much in through Dana White. The COO of the Venetian is in as well. I doubt he'd get in if Sheldon wanted to stay out of the whole thing. I don't think it will be an "us vs them" thing, but I would be extremely surprised if Sheldon and Steve Wynn went all out trying to get MGM a feather in their cap. They are still competitors.
ETA: Just noticed Jan Jones is in there too. She's a former mayor and with Caesars now. I'm guessing she'd stay out if it was an issue with her employer as well.
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LeafsNation75
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but if Vegas does get a NHL team does that mean people in the Casinos can no longer bet on the NHL games since there would be a local team? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that logic about the NBA if they ever wanted a team a there, because I think that was mentioned when their All Star Game was hosted in Vegas back in 2007.
BattleBorn
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The gaming regulation is somewhat awkwardly written to someone like myself, but I don't believe that will be the case. They put the responsibility on the sports books to ensure the person placing the bets isn't involved in the event, which makes sense since the book doesn't want to take action from someone that can have an impact on the outcome.
We've been able to bet on the Nevada Wolfpack and UNLV Rebels since the early 2000s, which was not the case prior to the change.
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