Tawnos
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James Dolan is a great owner for the Rangers and a terrible owner for the Knicks. My sense is that it's basically the same situation from MLSE.
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James Dolan is a great owner for the Rangers and a terrible owner for the Knicks. My sense is that it's basically the same situation from MLSE.
TheLegend
They call me “Buzz”.
None of those cities has team yet but, you are already ordaining them where they are based only upon your opinion.
And in a previous post you labeled Las Vegas as a failed market even though they're just getting started.... now it's "growth."
That can give some indication but the problem with this is it's short term viewing. A team that is thriving now could be under serious pressure tomorrow if certain factors change. I love Winnipeg the city and I'm a closet Jets fan (One of only two NHL teams I've seen at home and it was an amazing experience) , I want that team to be successful until they bury me up but if the economic climate in Canada hits drastic levels this organization could very well be back on the band saw. Weve also obviously seen these types of highs and lows from many American teams, though from what everything I've read and learned those issues are usually related to ownership (As one would expect for a franchise in any market).
Why the comparison between Seattle to Vegas? Seattle is a much more superior market than Vegas.
TheLegend
They call me “Buzz”.
Seattle won't be anything unless they get some skin in the game (IE actually break ground on an arena)
You're missing the point. The person was actually comparing Seattle to Vegas. And you can't do that.
Sure there is the arena seattle has to figure out but just cause Vegas could fail doesn't mean Seattle will too.
The NHL has already admitted in court that Hamilton team would be top 5 in league revenue. That's not my opinion, that's a fact backed up by the people in charge.
That's what most people do, is it not: Look at historical data and create a valid argument for or against doing something in the future? My ordinance of Hamilton and QC as better options than fictions is fact. You can ignore what the NHL said in court as it was defending the bankrupt Coyotes but that doesn't invalidate any of it.
I have never once called Vegas a failed market. You can repost if you think I did.
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BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
Based on what? I'll give you better city overall without a fight, but how are you concluding the sports market in Seattle is "much more superior?"
Yes same could be said about any US city that is not a dump, we are in a better position for the future then most teams, and Toronto aswell as other teams have also sucked for a long time. And yes you disrespect us so don't pretend you don't
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I see the 5,000 seats have been posted. Toronto Sun article below talks a bit about it as well.
Toronto Sun: Ticket drive for Las Vegas NHL team already at 5,000 deposits
Toronto Sun: Ticket drive for Las Vegas NHL team already at 5,000 deposits
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Of course there would be. Ask any fan in Winnipeg or Quebec City how they felt when they lost their team. And before anyone responds by saying, "BUT YAH WINNIPEG AND QC ARE HOCKEY MARKETS EH" it doesn't matter how or why the teams left - what matters is what it did to the fans.
I've lived with the very real possibility of the Coyotes moving for almost a full decade now. That's EVERY YEAR we've been on the cusp of moving until last year. I wouldn't wish that on any fanbase, no matter how much it makes sense to one group or another. Anyone who WOULD wish it on a fanbase - well, those people are too selfish and callous for me to ever want to know them.
Might seem overly dramatic to most, but Winnipeg and QC fans know what I'm talking about.
objectiveposter
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does the 5000 deposits include corporate season tix as well? if that number already includes a large number from the hotels and casinos it's not really that impressive. Most people who are interested in season tickets are going to sign up in the first 48 hours to ensure they get the seats they want. Doubling that total, if it already includes corporate and die hard fans wont be easy...most hockey fans in las vegas were already aware for over a month about the ticket drive...its not like it happened out of nowhere and fans are still realizing they can buy season tickets
GindyDraws
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Losing a team, no matter what sport, is terrible for those fans. For people who think I'm heartless and going "Yay! I wanna see Florida move because they are in a bad market for hockey!", I'm not. My favorite team is #3 on relocation talks, and because this team is not gonna be any good for the next 3-4 seasons, attendance might dip below a 10,000 average. And hungry markets just love that.
I'm not wishing wishing for Florida to move, even though I said I felt they deserve to move, but the problem I have is that we might end oversaturating an already bloated league with additional expansion. If a market routinely underperforms and it is either in a region with cutthroat competition of both sports and other recreational activities and/or a lack of historical significance, rather than add to the equation, I would consider juggling all possible options, even though some ideas would be extremely unpopular. Yes, there are diehard Florida Panthers fans and NO, I was not trying to disrespect you. I have an opinion, which isn't perfect, but I still have an opinion. I'm more than certain that, at the local level, you guys would fight tooth and nail, but at the national level, where would the majority side with? The current market, or the new one?
That's my question, and also the final time I post something on this thread that has nothing to do directly with Las Vegas.
Gormo
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My thoughts exactly. Is being halfway there after 48 hours all that encouraging?
As far as I can tell "half way after 48 hours" in this case might just be a favorable metric they are using to make things appear sunnier then they actually are, which would be the kind of thing Bettman and the NHL have always incessantly done trying to disguise less then ideal situations, even when its obvious enough that they are not being totally honest.
At this point word of this has reached all potentially interested customers.
I would suspect the first 5000 are going to be a lot easier then the last, and Im not sure where the rest are coming from at this point.
For all we know it might take 48 days, or maybe not even happen at all.
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BattleBorn
50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
I actually disagree with your premise.
Remember that this whole thing isn't being run by the NHL where all Vegas has to do is throw 10,000 deposits down and tell the league we want a team. It's run by a group of dudes that are getting ready to drop a huge amount of money to get this franchise here, up, and running.
I put myself in their place and I wouldn't do anything with corporate purchases until I was certain there was a real base of actual people that are going to be the foundation upon which this entire thing is built.
Above and beyond that, I imagine very few of these corporate sales are occurring through the site, which is the only way to place a deposit at this point in time. So he can control what's being counted and what's not. It's definitely not in his best interest to try to push this thing through to hit his own sales goal when the reward for hitting the goal is empty seats and losing tons of money.
If it stalls out at 9,000 or so, I could see throwing some corporate sales in there to hit the goal, but I've got to believe corporate sales don't make up any real part of the 5,000 announced yesterday.
ETA: My fault, I got your post mixed up with another post concerning corporate sales. Point is still somewhat valid, though I hope.
From reading multiple sources before this thing kicked off it sounded pretty clear that the sale of the corporate suites and the luxury boxes were not included in this season ticket drive. Those boxes are also apparently sold out.
I'm not sure if that's what the question was referring to when talking about corporate sales but there it is anyway.
I'm not sure if that's what the question was referring to when talking about corporate sales but there it is anyway.
kdb209
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Reportedly they have already sold half of the 44 Luxury Suites and all 8 of the ice level Bunker Suites.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/three-...ckey-background--nhl-notes-174340120-nhl.html
My apologies, I had read that all the boxes were sold and incorrectly assumed that was all inclusive.
So, without getting an updates in quite a while (This article was written on the 5th), the boxes are sold, 22 of the suites and 5,000 individual season tickets. I'd have to consider that a pretty solid success after just a couple of days. Considering this is a drive to guage the viability of a potential team and in a non-traditional hockey market, I'm surprised it's done this well to be perfectly honest.
We can not overlook that the first POSSIBLE game is 20 months away. I am impressed with the response.
BUT
25 years ago I remember St Petersburg, Florida was fighting for an expansion baseball team and 24,000 fans paid a $50 deposit for season tickets. When they finally got a team they had major problems (and still do ) selling tickets.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...20068_1_morsani-suncoast-dome-minnesota-twins
Very valid point. That's why I made sure to note that this is a drive to show the possible viability of a potential franchise. It's very, very different than a ticket sales drive for an actual, existing team.
Not to make this into a Rays thing and Im not a big baseball guy so I certainly don't all of that teams struggles but I do know that Tropicana Field is a fine major league stadium in the same way that Montana is a sunny, coastal vacation spot. I've been there one time in my life and I can tell ya, it's a hole.
AdmiralsFan24
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Were the commitments only one year? Because Tampa drew almost 31,000 per game in their first year. Then people realized how out of the way Tropicana was and didn't want to make the trek out there.
kdb209
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Although there is a big difference between baseball fans paying a $50 refundable deposit and hockey fans paying a $150-$900/seat non refundable deposit.
It was a refundable $50 deposit per account for the rights to be included in a lottery for STH priority.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...e-sox-president-eddie-einhorn-baseball-dinner
I have been in Montana only once for several hours on Amtrak's Empire Builder and and I spent an entire Sunday during daylight hours looking at North Dakota and Eastern Montana and the only radio station I could get on the train was from Regina, Saskatchewan. When we finally got to scenic western Montana, it was dark.
I went to many Lightning games at what is now called Tropicana Field and it was awful. The Rays have tried to spruce the place up and it is certainly a better baseball venue than the Metrodome was but it is horrible.
But getting back on topic Vegas has shown that it could be a viable market at the gate. I seriously question how much the team could get for a local TV contract as a RSN it is really limited to Clark County. Nevada outside of Vegas and Reno makes Montana look urban.
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