NHL prospect Landon Sim was suspended 5 games for calling player Mennonite.

[shaner8989]

Then tell the player he's ugly

Probably get jail time for that. This is an embarrassment on the league. Things are going to start changing around the world now though.

 

[hangman005]

The player he called a Mennonite has been lying awake since it happened wondering what he meant by that.

 

[Toby91ca]

Sounds like rule 11.4 I think. Hockey Canada has gone too far in my mind. A player got kicked out of my son's game on the weekend (other team) and I knew it was because of this rule as there was no real physical altercation. Turns out he called someone on my son's team an "F'in P-word"....that comes with an indefinite suspension, but minimum of 5 games. Hockey Canada rule is min 5 games, but each league can come up with their own....GTHL it's min 7 games. It's gotten a bit crazy, you can have physical intent to injure type calls and get a 2 game suspension, but if you say something bad to someone, you are gone 5 games or more and no ability to appeal.

Edit: I should say as well....think about how 14-18 years boys talk to each......must be hard to keep things in check

 

[alko]

And i thought, players say really shit to each other in a game. Aren't they?

 

[zizbuka]

Seems weak? What if he called him Christian?

I could see if he called him inbred or something........

 

[Frank Drebin]

jeepers

 

[CTHabsfan]

jeepers

Watch that potty mouth!!!

 

[Skidooboy]

As far as I know its not an insult at all.
Sure if you add a negative verb like dirty, stupid etc then that's different but to just call a guy a Mennonite seems rather pedestrian

How do you simp for someone and sound this ignorant.....
Does he just go around making assumptions about every players religion? Does he have a wierd torrets that causes hiom to shout out religeons all the time?...is it just "Methodist, Baptist,Catholic" etc whenever he sees a hockey player on ice?

He wasn't pointing at his cousin at a Wiebe family reunion and saying "you are a mennonite just like me."

Obviously he was using it a slur.
He was using it as an insult....tone, situation, and attitude told the story.
Kid has an garbage attitude.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

"You're a Mennonite!" "No, you're a Mennonite!!"

Saving that bad boy for a COD lobby

 

[I am Canadian]

Falls under a minority group and was obviously used as an insult. Not much here to see.

 

[Skidooboy]

I have so many questions.

How did he know the other player was a Mennonite?
As someone directly above me pointed out -- is calling someone a Mennonite an insult?
Would he have gotten five games if he'd called the other player Amish?

Most of all, though...... how did this come to the League's attention? Did the ref overhear it and go into "everything I learned in kindergarden mode" or did the Mennonite himself cry foul?

Hockey leagues go overboard to look the other way when young ladies get trained in hotel rooms but give them credit where credit is due. They are running a tight f***ing ship when it comes to protecting peace loving christians from .... well ........ being called what they call themselves?

Apologies for rambling. There's a good deal of the modern world that confuses the shit out of me these days....

So if I call you a f***ing whitey...am i just using the name you call yourself? are you really that dense?

tone and context seem pretty obvious...

 

[PullHard]

I’m assuming the guy he said it to had a beard? I don’t understand why you’d use that term in a hockey game

 

[LeafGrief]

I think an argument could equally be made that this is a major-junior league, not minor-junior, not rec league, not pickup shinny. These are players aspiring to be pros and if they want to play in the greatest league in the world they should be held to the highest standard ... aka the lowest bar: not mocking people's identity (religious, cultural, racial, or sexual)

What's so hard about just not doing that?


Because other insults are not predicated on individuals' race, culture, ethnicity, or religion? A word like "idiot" is very individualized, colloquial, and subjective.

Pretending there is not a difference is just virtue signaling for the "everyone is a snowflake" side

Asking what's hard about "not doing that" is the wrong question, because it pre-supposes that the premise of what is/is not taboo is agreed upon. The hard part for you is winning the argument about player conduct when people do not agree with your fundamental premise that identity in all forms should be taboo. There are quite a few posts in this thread that point out that immutable personal characteristics, such as ugliness, intelligence level, or attractiveness of female family members all seem to be "fair game" and these are parts of a person's identity as well. You have drawn the line around a very specific set of characteristics, while the exclusion of others is obviously arbitrary. Therefore, the presupposition that somebody's religion as a piece of identity is completely out of bounds, but their appearance is fine for trashtalking is called into question. You'd have a much more logical stance if you were arguing that there shouldn't be any trashtalk whatsoever, but that would probably just get you laughed at because hardly anyone would agree with you.

To push the point a bit further, the hard part of what you're asking is that what is and what is not acceptable as a part of a person's identity has been a rapidly shifting and adjusting field the last few years. If this guy called someone a Mennonite two years ago, there's zero chance he would have been disciplined. Mainline Christian denominations are routinely denigrated in the public square, white people get called all sorts of things in academic papers or by protestors on the street. The CBC writes a half dozen articles full of nonsense about masculinity every month. There really is no consistency of what is or is not fair game unless you are fully up to date on your Twitter based Critical Theory and adjusting to the movement of the day. Good for the Twitterists, exhausting for the rest of us.

Ultimately, what I am doing right now is rejecting outright what you assume to be "the highest standard" of player behaviour. The rules are completely arbitrary, the Emperor has no clothes, and we used to get along just fine before the political correctness puritans took over. People who have been socialized properly inherently understand taboos, and groups react strongly to people who cross lines. If a player called someone the N-word, they'd get expelled from the league and I think we're all okay with that. Using league discipline to try and push taboos to include your arbitrary characteristics is quite obvious, and people don't have to agree to it.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Falls under a minority group and was obviously used as an insult. Not much here to see.

I don’t think being a minority group matters

If someone from a minority group insults the ethnicity/sexuality/religion etc of someone in a majority group it would still be considered the same

At least one would hope so

 

[theVladiator]

Makes perfect sense if you do not fall for the gag shtick of the Chiclets X post. I did fall for it, but I also did spend a few minutes sorting it out.

The thing is, it is impossible to attempt an insult that references religion/ethnicity etc, without attempting to insult the whole group in addition to the targeted individual. Ref called misconduct on the spot, so I am going to say there would be no confusion about it. The confusion here is injected by Chiclets to get their clicks and gags.

 

[Skidooboy]

Asking what's hard about "not doing that" is the wrong question, because it pre-supposes that the premise of what is/is not taboo is agreed upon. The hard part for you is winning the argument about player conduct when people do not agree with your fundamental premise that identity in all forms should be taboo. There are quite a few posts in this thread that point out that immutable personal characteristics, such as ugliness, intelligence level, or attractiveness of female family members all seem to be "fair game" and these are parts of a person's identity as well. You have drawn the line around a very specific set of characteristics, while the exclusion of others is obviously arbitrary. Therefore, the presupposition that somebody's religion as a piece of identity is completely out of bounds, but their appearance is fine for trashtalking is called into question. You'd have a much more logical stance if you were arguing that there shouldn't be any trashtalk whatsoever, but that would probably just get you laughed at because hardly anyone would agree with you.

To push the point a bit further, the hard part of what you're asking is that what is and what is not acceptable as a part of a person's identity has been a rapidly shifting and adjusting field the last few years. If this guy called someone a Mennonite two years ago, there's zero chance he would have been disciplined. Mainline Christian denominations are routinely denigrated in the public square, white people get called all sorts of things in academic papers or by protestors on the street. The CBC writes a half dozen articles full of nonsense about masculinity every month. There really is no consistency of what is or is not fair game unless you are fully up to date on your Twitter based Critical Theory and adjusting to the movement of the day. Good for the Twitterists, exhausting for the rest of us.

Ultimately, what I am doing right now is rejecting outright what you assume to be "the highest standard" of player behaviour. The rules are completely arbitrary, the Emperor has no clothes, and we used to get along just fine before the political correctness puritans took over. People who have been socialized properly inherently understand taboos, and groups react strongly to people who cross lines. If a player called someone the N-word, they'd get expelled from the league and I think we're all okay with that. Using league discipline to try and push taboos to include your arbitrary characteristics is quite obvious, and people don't have to agree to it.

lol

"We used to get along just fine before the Political correctness puritans took over"

what an idiotic thing to say.

who is the "we"? White middle class Anglo saxon men? obviously you don't have a clue what the history of people of colour, marginalized religious groups, immigrants, and women lived with and continue to live with

this isn't ancient history. Your Mother/Grandmother couldn't get a credit card without a man signing for her until 1974, US school segregation was 1964. the list of shocking attitudes and behaviors carries on to this very day...but apparently for people like you 15 minutes of accountability is just too much.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I’m personally grateful as a POC that white liberals get offended on our behalf so we don’t have to. Ha..

First and last time I’ll ever use that term to describe myself btw. Ha. If they heard what we said to eachother in junior, they’d lock us all up. Nobody ever said anything racist though once a guy told me I was “tall for a Filipino”. I’m not Filipino

f*** off

identity politics is not a sustainable value

 

[Nolan Giesbrecht]

Generally speaking, most Mennonites have very typical names that are quite synonymous with being Mennonite

Yup. Reimer, Dueck, Giesbrecht (I’m one of these), etc.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

1960's ass insult

 

[Tragedy]

...

Yes in some parts of the world being gay is a sin, even resulting in punishment or death but here in North America we are civilized. Life is hard. Suck it up and play.

...

Not to throw too many sticks in the spokes here but have we considered that all this evil PC/wokey culture may have contributed to this "civilization"?

40 years ago the White House was making jokes about Aids being a gay plague and ignored funding any research into it.

20 years ago gay marriage wasn't legal in Canada and 10 years ago in the States.

There are so many things to get worked up about in life, teenagers not being allowed to be discriminatory in their chirps doesn't make the top 50,000 for me

 

[Barsky]

Falls under a minority group and was obviously used as an insult. Not much here to see.

Doesn't make it any less ridiculous

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

1 player can say "I am going to f*** your mother in the ass tonight!!" no issue
player 2 can say "F U ya Mennonite!" Player 2 gets suspended

Make it make sense

Not an issue unless, of course, the mother in the first example is a Mennonite. Then it's a hate crime.

 

[BB79]

Mennonite? Is that someone who uses Mennen Speed Stick deodorant?

 

[Volica]

The player he called a Mennonite has been lying awake since it happened wondering what he meant by that.

I do raise some good chickens and have a bountiful garden...

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Brutal Insults From the 1800s That Demand a Comeback​