NHL prospect Landon Sim was suspended 5 games for calling player Mennonite.

[Derailed75]

I have so many questions.

How did he know the other player was a Mennonite?
As someone directly above me pointed out -- is calling someone a Mennonite an insult?
Would he have gotten five games if he'd called the other player Amish?

Most of all, though...... how did this come to the League's attention? Did the ref overhear it and go into "everything I learned in kindergarden mode" or did the Mennonite himself cry foul?

Hockey leagues go overboard to look the other way when young ladies get trained in hotel rooms but give them credit where credit is due. They are running a tight f***ing ship when it comes to protecting peace loving christians from .... well ........ being called what they call themselves?

Apologies for rambling. There's a good deal of the modern world that confuses the shit out of me these days....

Well Costco had to recall 80,000 pounds of butter because the label didn't say the ingredients included milk.
So yeah most of the world is absolutely confusing right now

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Yeah thats pretty soft

It's so soft that it makes me wonder why he went there.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

I’m personally grateful as a POC that white liberals get offended on our behalf so we don’t have to. Ha..

First and last time I’ll ever use that term to describe myself btw. Ha. If they heard what we said to eachother in junior, they’d lock us all up. Nobody ever said anything racist though once a guy told me I was “tall for a Filipino”. I’m not Filipino

LMAO! My teammate and best friend in NCAA had parents from India. He got chirped for being Mexican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, etc. He was muscular and thick. Not once did his actual ethnicity get chirped. Pissed him off that people couldn't even do proper racial chirps. He was in tears laughing when we started calling him "Jefe."

 

[belair]

Mennonites have amazing baked goods. I consider that a compliment.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

I'm Mennonite and very liberal. But this is a reach imo!

 

[Three On Zero]

I may be one of the few who is fine with this. Harmless or not, you need to set a standard and not open up a grey area.

 

[uncleben]

you can't since it marginalizes unattractive people


I get that but a common sense scale needs to be implemented for cases like this

Where does that scale slide to?
What if he tried to call someone out for being Sikh, Jewish, Muslim? Protestant, Baha'i, Rastafari?
What if - crazy idea, here - instead of making an arbitrary scale that says, "these people off limits; these people fair game", we just decide to not allow any provoking or antagonizing based on a player's religion or creed in junior hockey?

 

[Goose]

I think it feels a bit ridiculous because it's unusual to hear a traditionally non-marginalized group used as an insult/slur. Most of the time suspension-worthy slurs involve groups that are experiencing or have experienced historical oppression/discrimination.

But when you think about it, yeah, you're going after a religion/ethnicity with those comments. (Or however it's defined, I don't know the nuances of those labels.)

 

[Three On Zero]

Where does that scale slide to?
What if he tried to call someone out for being Sikh, Jewish, Muslim? Protestant, Baha'i, Rastafari?
What if - crazy idea, here - instead of making an arbitrary scale that says, "these people off limits; these people fair game", we just decide to not allow any provoking or antagonizing based on a player's religion or creed in junior hockey?

Hell with junior hockey, this should be precedent in ALL levels hockey

 

[uncleben]

Hell with junior hockey, this should be precedent in ALL levels hockey

Oh, I agree!
Just emphasizing that (while Sim is an adult) this is a league with 15 year olds in it
A blanket, automatic rule seems pretty baseline

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If they are going to have suspension policies related to religion and race they need to uphold them to the same standard for everything, or else they open themselves up to claims of discrimination.

I don't know the context of what was said, but I assume that is what this would be about. Zero tolerance for any religious, racial, xenophobic type chirping.

 

[Three On Zero]

I just picture two kids arguing at school and one saying “yeah well, you’re a Mennonite”

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I just picture two kids arguing at school and one saying “yeah well, you’re a Mennonite”

I'm not sure even most of us would use that as a slur. Like, I pick on Catholics, because I've read their stuff more than them. But Mennonite is a bit like calling someone an Iowan.

 

[JianYang]

The opponent said yo mama in retaliation and got 10 games

 

[Three On Zero]

I'm not sure even most of us would use that as a slur. Like, I pick on Catholics, because I've read their stuff more than them. But Mennonite is a bit like calling someone an Iowan.

It’s both dumb and perplexing

 

[Pablo El Perro]

It’s both dumb and perplexing

Exactly,but, oddly the punishment fits. Imagine the ban if he called him a Jew.

 

[Edgelord]

Where does that scale slide to?
What if he tried to call someone out for being Sikh, Jewish, Muslim? Protestant, Baha'i, Rastafari?
What if - crazy idea, here - instead of making an arbitrary scale that says, "these people off limits; these people fair game", we just decide to not allow any provoking or antagonizing based on a player's religion or creed in junior hockey?

But it makes no sense, a player can talk about having sex with an opposing player's mom, or how they're ugly etc.

 

[LeafGrief]

Patiently waiting for the pendulum to swing back to sanity because this is just virtue signalling nonsense from the league that doesn’t make anyone safer or more included.

Trying to get a league of 18 year old boys who stopped paying attention in class at age 10 to act with the virtuous sensibilities of a bunch of Gender Studies undergraduates is hilarious at best. They’re going to call each other p***y whether you let them or not, and most importantly, nobody is going to be traumatized by it.

Political correctness has become a weird religion/cult in its own right and I’m tired of pretending this isn’t outrageously weird. 5 games for calling someone a Mennonite? Take off you hosers!

 

[End on a Hinote]

What a joke. Moreso the suspension for saying "p*ssy".

I need to rewatch the Bellows/Stevens clip from 1991 to forget of how ridiculously soft we as a society have become.....

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Has anyone considered he said "Men, I'm a knight"?



Is that my hat? I'll see myself out.

 

[wintersej]

The line should be racial and homophobic. That's a pretty obvious place to draw it, imo.

I don't care about religion getting abused. That's a choice.

I don't care about fat and ugly, either. That's 80% of men.

So calling someone a Jew is cool? How about a rag head?

 

[Leafshater67]

LMAO! My teammate and best friend in NCAA had parents from India. He got chirped for being Mexican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, etc. He was muscular and thick. Not once did his actual ethnicity get chirped. Pissed him off that people couldn't even do proper racial chirps. He was in tears laughing when we started calling him "Jefe."

Awesome. Teams are going to have to get a cultural anthropologist on their rosters to correctly identify the racially ambiguous for proper chirping.

 

[LeafGrief]

Gentle ribbing up to moderate insults are a perfectly normal part of male socialization. Almost all of us have experienced this in some way or another, whether its calling your buddies losers when you greet them, calling your team board morons when they shoot down your hot take, or the gruff old fart (see what I did there?) at work seeing what you’re made of.

There are taboos and limits in this insulting of course, close knit friends can say just about anything, while opponents on a hockey rink are gonna get big mad real quickly, and insults can escalate to bullying and abuse, but that’s literally the nuance that socialization is about.

Stuff like the OHL’s decision here is just so darn goofy, because it’s trying to legislate this normal behaviour out of a normal place to exhibit this behaviour. Some guys are douchebags, Tony DeAngelo springs to mind (I did it again!), but the majority of guys who talk shit would turn around and buy beers all night for their opponent during the offseason. Does the OHL actually think they’re making the game safer for the players? Are they trying to avoid the softies in society getting up in arms about this sort of stuff? Because the bulk of hockey fans (as evidenced by this thread and anyone I’ve ever talked hockey with) don’t care or more actively think the league is ridiculous for making rules like this.

If your rec league wants to have rules like this, fine, whatever. But a semi-pro sports league that feeds young men into a professional entertainment product should let the young men act like young men. They’re going to want to fight and call each other p***y. Let them, because a whole lot of us WANT that edge to our entertainment.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Awesome. Teams are going to have to get a cultural anthropologist on their rosters to correctly identify the racially ambiguous for proper chirping.

Even in the 80s when I played we rolled our eyes at chirping based on race. Only smooth brains thought racist crap was witty. Girlfriends, sisters, and moms were the real pot of gold in chirping back then.

 

[Machinehead]

So calling someone a Jew is cool? How about a rag head?

Those carry with them strong ethnic connotations.