And in your corporatist mind, this is an expression of free will and good business. It is neither so don't go into business or philosophy.
Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics
- Thread starter TheGoldenJet
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
And in your corporatist mind, this is an expression of free will and good business. It is neither so don't go into business or philosophy.
With the current situation in the world, I think now it was a reasonable decision to cancel the NHL participation. There is a very high probability that the entire tournament, maybe the entire OG are going to be spoiled by quarantines. It would really suck if NHL players went and then something unpleasant happened, like with the WJC today. And that's quite a probable scenario. I recommend to just not take this Olympics too seriously, enjoy the few competitions in the few sports which may not get completely ruined, and just wait for Milano 2026. This is not going to be fair and cool Olympics, rather a strange COVID-plagued something.
ahhahahahahahaha
Yes, signing for 7 figures a year and not being able to play in the Olympics is hurting someones free-will. They have a choice. Free-will isn't being able to do whatever you want without consequences. And, what you are referring to as lack of free will is legitimately insulting to the billions of people in the world who don't have it, and the signs of someone who lacks maturity and perspective.
And you mentioned sweat shops? Maybe we shouldn't be sending players to a country which actually oppresses a minority population in those? But, yes, the NHL is really the people running a sweat shop, and thinking people who make 7 figures a year don't give up some options like that is comparable.
Last edited:
Yeah I'm more onboard with it now seeing how omicron has gone complete out of control. If it went ahead we'd likely see a few forfeits here and there.
If nothing else all we can hope for is that COVID is truly well and done behind us by the late spring and the WHCs are still a go with players participating.
Deplorable Lenny
Registered User
I guess the price you pay for playing in the best league in the world and making the best possible salary is that you play by their rules.
And besides it was a joint agreement by the NHL and nhlpa to skip this year anyways.
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,199
Can you name another sport where you can play in the best league but not play internationally in tournaments representing your country?
Major League Baseball doesn't go to the Olympics and never has. NFL doesn't have any international competition. Can you name me another big 4 North American league that would even entertain stopping mid-season for Internationals?
cowboy82nd
Registered User
If it was “promised” in the last CBA, then how come the players are not going? Do you know what was actually spelled out in the CBA? Just asking because some people act like they signed the CBA and know exactly what was in there.
well there is this thing going on where well over around 5 million people have died so far, perhaps you haven't heard about the possible protocol's for NHL players to quarantine for up to 3 weeks in China if they get this really contagious version of the virus?
The NHL was committed to going if there weren't any concerns with the long term loss of NHL superstars this NHL season and frankly they didn't go to the last Olympics because the Olympic committee and IIHF want absolute control over way too much.
"It's something that players want for the most part. Honestly, there wasn't really a negotiation about that," said Jets forward Andrew Copp, a member of the NHLPA negotiating committee. "That was one of the most established points and I think it was almost a formality. I don't think that was something that was some players vs. other players. I think everyone thinks it's a great way to grow the game, and if we're able to play with fans and then continue to grow the revenue of the game, we're going to be able to come out of this pandemic in a great spot. If we don't have fans and we're still able to grow the game in other ways moving forward, then once we get out we'll still be in a good spot"
cowboy82nd
Registered User
That’s not the CBA. I want to know what the players signed. Did it say that the players can go to the Olympics but have to pay their way? Did it say that any injury a player accurred during the Olympics, the player has to pay for his treatment? What does the CBA actually say?
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
- Apr 15, 2018
- 30,392
- 28,199
Why does it have to be north american? The world is a little bigger than that. Lots of sports all over the world. Tennis has no problems. Skiing has no problems. Soccer... No problem. Volleyball and basketball. Note that Canadians and Americans play these... Some very well. They are all allowed to represent their country
You simply refuse to accept that the NHL hasn't been able to successfully monetize these new euro viewers to the extent it matters. Sour your workforce? Yeah, I'll take this threat seriously once someone leaves for the KHL, to work in worse and less luxurious conditions because they can't play internationally.
A few rich people? The season ticket holders aren't a few rich people. They are the lifeblood of players' salaries.
And, again with personal attacks? If you think NHLers making 7 figures a year are the oppressed you should grow up. Go fight for the rights of Muslims in China. You know, the country's whose olympics we aren't going to.
Last edited:
The NBA would have a ton of problems if you asked them to stop the season mid-year for international competition. Tennis and skiing and individual sports, and are therefore not exactly comparable.
And, I point to North America, because that's the business model the NHL is built around, and that is where 99% of there revenue comes from.
Not to him. North America rules and the colonies can cry in their cereal about not seeing their sons, they have a well paying job in a big city and that is what the world is about.
Yeah I completely refuse that NHL can't monetize ympics obviously they can and have done so. I have personal spending experience that was enabled by Olympics.
That's what I meant by you not being able to see causality. You can only see some chart that shows you, what? What did it measure? How was the value quantified?
I asked you before, if I buy an NHL jersey or 10 because of Olympics, how would you know my jersey purchases came from the Olympic participation? You can’t measure it, so you're ignoring it as non existent, even though many of us have personally spent money on NHL and it's teams directly because of Olympics. You pretending us consumers do not exist, speaks more about your lack of business instincts. You're willing to ignore real life examples because you found a calculation of something.
You only understand season tickets as value. And you can't even see how seeing a player in Olympics can lead to buying season tickets.
You don't run a successful business by ignoring potential customers because you're too short sighted to see value.
Sorry if I don't want to emulate you.
You don't understand how insignificant the 10 jerseys you buy are. Again, it's about the 3 major revenue streams. The NHL has gone to the Olympics for years and they've found no co-relation between growth of their primary revenue streams.
You seem to be ignoring the simple realities. The NHL is about appeasing North American viewers and season ticket holders, because that is where the revenue comes from that fuel the league.
You lack business sense simply because you focus on hypothetical revenue channels that minimally grow, compared to the actual important revenue streams you need to grow. Not playing for 3 weeks in the middle of the season right after NFL and College football ends is stupid for the league, and extending further to compete against baseball more is also dumb. Guess which customers matter the most to the NHL. The ones who buy tickets, and live in-market or contribute to the value of the Canadian or American tv deal.
Last edited:
That would be a fantastic argument if I was the only spectator of best on best Olympic hockey. But I am not, it's the Olympics so the total number of 10 jersey buyers and future season ticket holders is much more than 1. Then you would need to multiply the jerseys and future tickets. A fan buys a lot of stuff over their lifespan. That money will go elsewhere if they're not a fan of your product. If you don't advertise that product especially in a free, global window, then those consumers will consume something else than your product.
You don't understand how insignificant GTA is.
There is nothing hypothetical about people becoming life long fans of sports, players and then their teams , because of international coverage. It's insane blindness to call it hypothetical and pretend it's not there because some chart can't quantify it.
You know people who are fans of a player or team and buy their products because they first saw them in international tournaments. I certainly do. Most of my Canadian friends own soccer jerseys and have their own favorite soccer players and teams they buy official merch from.
You're so focused on defending the league wesseling out of contract, that you'll deny reality and call it hypothetical when you could just look around you and quickly find direct evidence of it and stop denying the market.
Most people on a hockey forum have either personally been influenced or know someone who has been influenced by watching a sport, player, team the first time for free and becoming a consumer. So this is the wrong place to pretend it's a hypothetical, everyone here knows it happens.
Last edited:
If you think the NHL is losing season ticket holders over not going to the Olympics that is comical. They will lose season ticket holders over making teams play with taxi squads while their stars are in China. The last time they polled their customers, 75% of Americans and 50% of Canadian customers didn't want their players going to the Olympics. That is where the bulk of the revenue is generated.
Guess what, the NHL doesn't care about growth outside North America, because the ability to monetize it is extremely limited. The only way it would matter if China or major European countries cared. And, the ability to monetize Europeans due to time differences for NHL games is extremely limited.
Deplorable Lenny
Registered User
Agreed!
I am A OK with the NHL not sending its players to these games.
Maybe if they are in North America again it might make sense to go. But even still I wouldn't shed a tear if they don't.
I'd rather watch my team whoop their provincial rival than see Canada win another gold medal but I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one. Lol
Peeri
Registered User
What's in common with all the Olympic haters here. NA. Why? I'd like to know that too. What's comical is that they are really here rallying behind NHL and their owners. Players wanted to go, it's owners (NHL)who intervened, must play games, must make money. I expect more players in coming days to come forward just like Marchand did, and btw Canadas golden boy Mcdavid too. Olympics is a big thing, the biggest for some players. The fact that here you are denying that Olympics dont matter or players don't want to go is just beyond absurd.
I'd rather not have the season interrupted mid-year. Why risk having the star players for your team get injured or just as bad have to play without them with taxi squads. Plus, the IOC is one of the most corrupt institutions in sport.
McDavid said he was questionable about going with the Chinese policies already.
