Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics

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The players go to those tournaments because there is much more money involved. it's all about the money or lack therof.
It's simply due to all major league associations being certified by Fifa (an organization more corrupt than the IOC). The NHL has never been certified by the IIHF, so they don't have to respect the wishes of the governing body of the sport.
 
Yeah, that's why I'm anti-public funding for corporate developments like NHL arenas. I'm totally an NHL shill. The NHL had outs, the players agreed to those outs.

If you want to watch a sport where international bodies control the sports stick to Fifa's corrupt ass. Thankfully, the NHL isn't beholden to the IIHF or some other governing body.

You are an NHL shill yes. They signed a contract with the players and now going back on it even though they could continue season and participate. That's not an act against IIHF , it's an act against NHLPA

You're siding with ownership and saying they can use loopholes to screw the workers because they are cattle for your entertainment.

And apparently, if the poor masses of the world got a small glimpse of your hard earned cattle for free, that would diminish your ownership and enjoyment of it. The exclusivity is the game for you.
 
You are an NHL shill yes. They signed a contract with the players and now going back on it even though they could continue season and participate. That's not an act against IIHF , it's an act against NHLPA

You're siding with ownership and saying they can use loopholes to screw the workers because they are cattle for your entertainment.

And apparently, if the poor masses of the world got a small glimpse of your hard earned cattle for free, that would diminish your ownership of it.
Your comparables are beyond ridiculous.

They made an agreement. Covid cancellations have made it impossible for games not to be canceled. Cancellations couldn't be avoided. That isn't negotiating in bad faith, that is simply leaving outs for the situation that happened. I'm sure the NHL would much prefer being able to play in sold out arenas in Canada and have the NHLers go to China.

And, again, the NHLPA agreed to these conditions. If they want the Olympics so bad then make it ironclad. Give up something in the event of these mass cancelations.
 
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Your comparables are beyond ridiculous.

They made an agreement. Covid cancellations have made it impossible for games not to be canceled. Cancellations couldn't be avoided. That isn't negotiating in bad faith, that is simply leaving outs for the situation that happened. I'm sure the NHL would much prefer being able to play in sold out arenas in Canada and have the NHLers go to China.

And, again, the NHLPA agreed to these conditions. If they want the Olympics so bad then make it ironclad. Give up something in the event of these mass cancelations.

Your interpretation of what they agreed to, looks different than the writing on the CBA.

They have a tool to avoid the cancelations now, Canada might prove to be a problem with longer quarantine. Olympic participation would not need to shut down NHL anymore.

"If they want it so bad make it ironclad" suggests they should expect the league to attempt to screw them over, and get better lawyers.
 
Your interpretation of what they agreed to, looks different than the writing on the CBA.

They have a tool to avoid the cancelations now, Canada might prove to be a problem with longer quarantine. Olympic participation would not need to shut down NHL anymore.
You are delusional if you think any major North American league is going to short sell its television partners and season ticket holders to give their players for free to the IOC, and play games without them. How you are interpreting the CBA is just wrong. If the PA thought they were getting screwed over letter of the law contract they would be seeking an injunction with a federal judge.

And, again, this tool you speak of did not stop cancellations last year. Maybe slightly reduced them, but didn't avoid them.
 
What's in common with all the Olympic haters here. NA. Why? I'd like to know that too. What's comical is that they are really here rallying behind NHL and their owners. Players wanted to go, it's owners (NHL)who intervened, must play games, must make money. I expect more players in coming days to come forward just like Marchand did, and btw Canadas golden boy Mcdavid too. Olympics is a big thing, the biggest for some players. The fact that here you are denying that Olympics dont matter or players don't want to go is just beyond absurd.

What's absurd is this sudden false narrative and strawman and total ignorance of the realities of a pandemic going on right now.
 
That's the point - soccer has a garbage Olympic tournament for the men. Not every sport just does whatever it can to have its best in the Olympics and not every sport is harmed by keeping players out of the Olympics. The Olympic hockey tournament was "a nonsense tournament" for most of its history. People can want the best players in the Olympics without pretending about what the Olympic tournament is.
It is because football is way bigger than all the other sports. But they should make it a clean U21 tournament and crap this overage nonsense. Then it would be interesting to follow. Most sports does not have a problem with getting their best players to play tournaments. Sports that are even bigger than hockey primadonnas.

The players are employees of the league. They're under valid contracts to play for the NHL and not anywhere else.


And that is where the cultural divide comes in between Europe and North America, because no other major North American sport would interrupt their season to send their best players over to a foreign nation to participate in games and risk injury.

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I can't even begin to describe how incredibly naive you are if you think the NHL and league owners should think this way.
Players are employees in other sports too and they is around for the Olympics. Sounds easy.

Strange thing how hockey fans just accepts this crap instead of complaining. Just look how the fan power stopped footballs stupid "Super League" idea. Time to learn from Europe. But hey just let the greedy owners do their thing. But who cares about some Olympic final when you have the glamourous round 356 of the spectacular regular season.
 
Players are employees in other sports too and they is around for the Olympics. Sounds easy.

Strange thing how hockey fans just accepts this crap instead of complaining. Just look how the fan power stopped footballs stupid "Super League" idea. Time to learn from Europe. But hey just let the greedy owners do their thing. But who cares about some Olympic final when you have the glamourous round 356 of the spectacular regular season.

Uh, that's not what happened. And the "Super League" idea isn't dead, though I have no idea if it will actually happen.

Really, it sounds like you're being the greedy one here. You expect the NHL to revolve around the Olympics' whim and bend over when all the financial gain goes to the Olympics and none to the NHL. Though somehow I bet the hypocrisy is lost on you.
 
Heard on the local sports radio (Sportsnet 690?) there will be a strong push to reinstate the World Cup in 2022 from the NHL PA & League and whoever that "insider" was (driving home with the kid in winter conditions, wasn't listening too closely) affirmed that they will not try those gimmick teams again and it will be a "real" tournament. It also is not intended to replace future Olympic participation either, with the eventual aim to establish a once every 2 year tournament of WC, Olympics, WC etc.

Take that for what its worth.
 
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Heard on the local sports radio (Sportsnet 690?) there will be a strong push to reinstate the World Cup in 2022 from the NHL PA & League and whoever that "insider" was (driving home with the kid in winter conditions, wasn't listening too closely) affirmed that they will not try those gimmick teams again and it will be a "real" tournament. It also is not intended to replace future Olympic participation either, with the eventual aim to establish a once every 2 year tournament of WC, Olympics, WC etc.

Take that for what its worth.
Only gimmick I want is Team Canada 2. I think it's time. I don't want this at Olympcis or world's but am fine with it for a World Cup. More marketable players, less to argue about on HFboards.. perfect! Isvestia had 2 Russian teams and 2 soviet teams routinely.. the precendent is there. So are all the junior challenges with Canada Blue and red and such. I know I'm alone in this.lol
 
Uh, that's not what happened. And the "Super League" idea isn't dead, though I have no idea if it will actually happen.

Really, it sounds like you're being the greedy one here. You expect the NHL to revolve around the Olympics' whim and bend over when all the financial gain goes to the Olympics and none to the NHL. Though somehow I bet the hypocrisy is lost on you.
What happened then? Every club from England withdrew and there is not way they will do it the same way again.

Greedy to think the NHL should release their players for some weeks every fourth year? What an effort! All the countries that have developed these top players should have them for some weeks and that is really not to much to ask for. The European clubs does not even get proper paid for their young players changing clubs. Just look and learn from the football model and please stop be this greedy kid just thinking about themselves.
 
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What happened then? Every club from England withdrew and there is not way they will do it the same way again.

Greedy to think the NHL should release their players for some weeks every fourth year? What an effort! All the countries that have developed these top players should have them for some weeks and that is really not to much to ask for. The European clubs does not even get proper paid for their young players changing clubs. Just look and learn from the football model and please stop be this greedy kid just thinking about themselves.

Agreed. The Olympics needs to stop thinking about itself and realize the NHL is under no obligation to pause its season and send over its best players. Incredibly greedy and selfish of the Olympics.
 
Only gimmick I want is Team Canada 2. I think it's time. I don't want this at Olympcis or world's but am fine with it for a World Cup. More marketable players, less to argue about on HFboards.. perfect! Isvestia had 2 Russian teams and 2 soviet teams routinely.. the precendent is there. So are all the junior challenges with Canada Blue and red and such. I know I'm alone in this.lol
I shutter to think who would be the goalies for team Canada 2.
Talbot, Reimer and Jarry come on down…
 
The Olympics needs to stop thinking about itself

I don't think anyone has complained except for the NHL players. Unless you can show me. biggest losers here is actually the NHL as I think Bettman wanted to use this opportunity to sell and spread the NHL brand into China.
 
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I shutter to think who would be the goalies for team Canada 2.
Talbot, Reimer and Jarry come on down…
It honestly isn't that bad. The team in front would be so strong that it wouldn't be the worst either. Kuemper might be another option. Blackwood I think. All of them would be a starter for my boys.lol. I think Canada currently has a huge group of good goalies. Even guys like Holtby might be able to shine in a short tourney. It'll never happen but I think it'd be interesting. Russia 2 won the isvestia a few times. Team Europe made it to the finals on Halaks back. The rest of the team would be crazy good. I'd combine future stars with older ones personally.
 
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Maybe for some of the youth, being an olympian has lost all it's meaning. So they can't relate to top athletes wanting to test themselves on the biggest stage against best competition. Only explanation I can find for some peoples "business is everything" attitude.
To me... Those best on best in Nagano, Italy, Vancouver etc were the greatest thing ever. Mid season, neutral sites for a few of them, used both sizes of rinks. Other than the poor Slovaks in 1998 there was limited controversy. Almost no declines. It was near perfect. It still bothers me that it's the only sport without a legit best in best on a calendar. Eg. Soccer has this done so well away from the Olympics that I don't think people are upset it isn't an Olympic sport because you see it all the time and know when the next one is. I get the baseball argument and that the best aren't sent there but I've never heard the MLB guys even mention it. To me, that is a big difference. The NHL guys are all disappointed, they made it a point of negotiation.. they won and have nothing. I've never heard of Barry bonds being upset about this.lol. And I don t think Ronaldo cares because he gets to shine at euros and world's every 2 years along with qualiferiers for both. Meanwhile, NHL is on year what since no best on best? I'd also say the fans are clearly clamoring for a best on best.
 
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