Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics

[Marioesque]

If you think the NHL is losing season ticket holders over not going to the Olympics that is comical. They will lose season ticket holders over making teams play with taxi squads while their stars are in China. The last time they polled their customers, 75% of Americans and 50% of Canadian customers didn't want their players going to the Olympics. That is where the bulk of the revenue is generated.

Guess what, the NHL doesn't care about growth outside North America, because the ability to monetize it is extremely limited. The only way it would matter if China or major European countries cared. And, the ability to monetize Europeans due to time differences for NHL games is extremely limited.

The agreement is that players decide if they want to go and teams are obligated to to let them go.

This has nothing to do with "what Americans want". It doesn't matter what American consumers want.

The players matter, they are the show. If there truly are customers who would walk away because a few players were different for a month, good riddance. That "loss" of hypothetical 2 season ticket owners would be covered by the hats bought by the first 100 kids who watched.

And the satisfaction of losing such customers is priceless. I mean if your season ticket ownership hedges on your abiity to enslave players, good riddance.

 

[93LEAFS]

The agreement is that players decide if they want to go and teams are obligated to to let them go.

This has nothing to do with "what Americans want". It doesn't matter what American consumers want.

The players matter, they are the show. If there truly are customers who would walk away because a few players were different for a month, good riddance. That "loss" of hypothetical 2 season ticket owners would be covered by the hats bought by the first 100 kids who watched.

And the satisfaction of losing such customers is priceless. I mean if your season ticket ownership hedges on your abiity to enslave players, good riddance.

Your hat comparison is so off it's ridiculous. 2 seasons tickets are probably going to be about 16000 dollars. The NHL sells its apparel rights, so they only see a minor return on each product sold (and for what they get for selling apparel rights they need to see a massive jump in sales).

And, no apparently you don't understand what happened. Because, no they don't have to let the players go, and they won't for Milan either.

Guess what, if the players cared as much as you, they wouldn't have signed all these long-term deals to play in the NHL when the Olympics have been up in the air for the last 6 seasons.

 

[DueDiligence]

What's in common with all the Olympic haters here. NA. Why? I'd like to know that too. What's comical is that they are really here rallying behind NHL and their owners. Players wanted to go, it's owners (NHL)who intervened, must play games, must make money. I expect more players in coming days to come forward just like Marchand did, and btw Canadas golden boy Mcdavid too. Olympics is a big thing, the biggest for some players. The fact that here you are denying that Olympics dont matter or players don't want to go is just beyond absurd.

The equivalent would be the EPL and the Bundeslega shutting down to send many of their players to the Olympics, in season. They don't.
The NHL is different from other hockey leagues because the majority of the world's best players are here. Fans see them all the time and their loyalty is to their club team. They don't need the Olympics to watch their best players compete. Whereas leagues in Europe have very few stars and the Olympics is the only opportunity to see the great players play. It's not that we 'hate' the Olympics but many fans in North America would rather see the club team win a championship that they are invested in for 8 months every year than their country win a 2 week tournament that happens every 4 years.

 

[Marioesque]

Your hat comparison is so off it's ridiculous. 2 seasons tickets are probably going to be about 16000 dollars. The NHL sells its apparel rights, so they only see a minor return on each product sold (and for what they get for selling apparel rights they need to see a massive jump in sales).

And, no apparently you don't understand what happened. Because, no they don't have to let the players go, and they won't for Milan either.

Guess what, if the players cared as much as you, they wouldn't have signed all these long-term deals to play in the NHL when the Olympics have been up in the air for the last 6 seasons.

They signed the CBA with article 24.1 in it.

The Olympics was ot up in the air after that. That's why they signed it.

If your work contract gives you a month of vacation, the employer should not have any ability to take it away. It's already in the contract. 2022 and 2026 are.

If you think you understand better what happened, please explain. Marchand and Hall were asking too.

You are just blindly defending the oppressor because you think you're strong by association. You're as wrong in that, as your business instincts are.

You are advocating for NHL to break agreement, because you don't see how they could make money. I don't have any descriptions of that thinking that would not result in infraction.

 

[Marioesque]

The equivalent would be the EPL and the Bundeslega shutting down to send many of their players to the Olympics, in season. They don't.
The NHL is different from other hockey leagues because the majority of the world's best players are here. Fans see them all the time and their loyalty is to their club team. They don't need the Olympics to watch their best players compete. Whereas leagues in Europe have very few stars and the Olympics is the only opportunity to see the great players play. It's not that we 'hate' the Olympics but many fans in North America would rather see the club team win a championship that they are invested in for 8 months every year than their country win a 2 week tournament that happens every 4 years.

If Messi wants to play in Copa America, Messi plays in Copa and his club plays a backup during the tournament.

Simple as that.

And NHL has a contract with players about Olympics, it's not maybe in the cba in some soccer clubs. Different situations

 

[93LEAFS]

They signed the CBA with article 24.1 in it.

The Olympics was ot up in the air after that. That's why they signed it.

If your work contract gives you a month of vacation, the employer should not have any ability to take it away. It's already in the contract. 2022 and 2026 are.

If you think you understand better what happened, please explain. Marchand and Hall were asking too.

You are just blindly defending the oppressor because you think you're strong by association. You're as wrong in that, as your business instincts are.

You are advocating for NHL to break agreement, because you don't see how they could make money. I don't have any descriptions of that thinking that would not result in infraction.

Do you lack reading comprehension? This is what you cited.

24.10 Notwithstanding the foregoing, the NHL and the NHLPA commit to participate in the 2022 and 2026 Winter Olympics, subject to negotiation of terms acceptable to each of the NHL, NHLPA, and IIHF (and/or IOC).

That isn't an ironclad agreement. That guarantees nothing. And, the terms were they would go if the season wasn't disrupted by Covid. Guess what it is, and massively so at the moment.

 

[DueDiligence]

If Messi wants to play in Copa America, Messi plays in Copa and his club plays a backup during the tournament.

Simple as that.

And NHL has a contract with players about Olympics, it's not maybe in the cba in some soccer clubs. Different situations

I said Olympics not World Cup or Copa America etc. Also the teams that play in the Copa America get far more money than teams that participate in the Olympics.

 

[Marioesque]

Do you lack reading comprehension? This is what you cited.



That isn't an ironclad agreement. That guarantees nothing. And, the terms were they would go if the season wasn't disrupted by Covid. Guess what it is, and massively so at the moment.

Not ironclad eh. Well, they figured out a way to avoid the covid cancelations with taxi squad so now there's a new CBA based solution to the problem.

Just stop looking for excuses for NHL breaking the agreement. We have established that you're siding with the league no matter what the facts say.

You don't want NHL players in the Olympics because these players are NHLs cattle. None of the excuses are relevant. You are fine with breaking contract.

 

[Peeri]

Oilers' Connor McDavid, Bruins' Brad Marchand criticize NHL for pulling out of Olympics

McDavid said he was questionable about going with the Chinese policies already.

 

[93LEAFS]

Not ironclad eh. Well, they figured out a way to avoid the covid cancelations with taxi squad so now there's a new CBA based solution to the problem.

Just stop looking for excuses for NHL breaking the agreement. We have established that you're siding with the league no matter what the facts say.

You don't want NHL players in the Olympics because these players are NHLs cattle. None of the excuses are relevant. You are fine with breaking contract.

Well, actually the NHL has canceled over 70 games at this point. So, no Taxi squads hasn't solved the problem yet. It didn't last year for cancellations.

Your interpretation of facts leaves a lot to be desired.

And, no, I don't think they are cattle. I think they are people paid 7 figures a year to play a sport, and with that comes some limitations on where you can play hockey elsewhere. You think because you bought 10 hockey jersey's you are entitled to best on best hockey.

 

[93LEAFS]

Oilers' Connor McDavid, Bruins' Brad Marchand criticize NHL for pulling out of Olympics

He said he was disappointed if you read the quotes. not that he disagreed with the decision.

 

[Marioesque]

I said Olympics not World Cup or Copa America etc. Also the teams that play in the Copa America get far more money than teams that participate in the Olympics.

I know why you said Olympics. Because it ignores Copa world cup, euro and qualifying for all. Because for those, players go when they want. Olympic football was agreed to stay as under 21 because there are so many international best on best tournaments already.

So there's no comparison to hockey situation. We are trying to get one best on best tournament every 4 years. International soccer players are much more often representing countries and clubs and leagues co-operate.

 

[Marioesque]

Well, actually the NHL has canceled over 70 games at this point. So, no Taxi squads hasn't solved the problem yet. It didn't last year for cancellations.

Your interpretation of facts leaves a lot to be desired.

And, no, I don't think they are cattle. I think they are people paid 7 figures a year to play a sport, and with that comes some limitations on where you can play hockey elsewhere. You think because you bought 10 hockey jersey's you are entitled to best on best hockey.

You think 7 figures salary makes them into cattle. And if they want to have more say in their life, they have to take a 10x payout. If they want to make agreements that stick, they have to make them outside of NA because here we don't respect contracts or employees.

That's literally what you have been preaching and I hope 93 is your birth year and you can still grow and learn

I think the players are entitled to the rights they negotiated in contract. I am not entitled to anything. They are.

 

[93LEAFS]

You think 7 figures salary makes them into cattle. And if they want to have more say in their life, they have to take a 10x payout.

That's literally what you have been preaching and I hope 93 is your birth year and you can still grow and learn

I think the players are entitled to the rights they negotiated in contract.

And their rights were respected. The terms were that they would go if there wasn't mass cancellation of games, guess what they were, unfortunately.

You seem to think that because the players are good at what they do, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want. Which is the attitude of an entitled child, yet you sit here calling people names, making assumptions about other people, etc. You are just as crazy as a Psycho Dad in the stands watching his kids sports games.

 

[Peeri]

He said he was disappointed if you read the quotes. not that he disagreed with the decision.

"You want to play at the Olympics. For me, it's the biggest stage in sport." Also in quotes. For people who don't bother reading.

 

[Marioesque]

Well, actually the NHL has canceled over 70 games at this point. So, no Taxi squads hasn't solved the problem yet. It didn't last year for cancellations.

Your interpretation of facts leaves a lot to be desired.

And, no, I don't think they are cattle. I think they are people paid 7 figures a year to play a sport, and with that comes some limitations on where you can play hockey elsewhere. You think because you bought 10 hockey jersey's you are entitled to best on best hockey.

They made the taxi squad change to avoid the cancelations. It hasn't been in effect yet. It is a solution that is only now going to be implemented. That's why it hasn't solved the problem yet.

 

[93LEAFS]

They made the taxi squad change to avoid the cancelations. It hasn't been in effect yet. It is a solution that is only now going to be implemented. That's why it hasn't solved the problem yet.

How do we know it is even a solution if it hasn't even been tested yet? We had taxi squads last year and saw mass cancelations.

 

[93LEAFS]

"You want to play at the Olympics. For me, it's the biggest stage in sport." Also in quotes. For people who don't bother reading.

Great..... He also said he'd settle for a world cup, and he openly questioned the policies in China about quarentine.

 

[Peeri]

Great..... He also said he'd settle for a world cup, and he openly questioned the policies in China about quarentine.

I don't want to argue, but this China quarantine was debunked shortly after he said that. I don't know where they even heard that, because it wasn't true at any point.

 

[Marioesque]

And their rights were respected. The terms were that they would go if there wasn't mass cancellation of games, guess what they were, unfortunately.

You seem to think that because the players are good at what they do, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want. Which is the attitude of an entitled child, yet you sit here calling people names, making assumptions about other people, etc. You are just as crazy as a Psycho Dad in the stands watching his kids sports games.

Now there is a solution to the cancelations but you're still against them going. So your real problem is not with the cancelations.

Yes, when you sign a contract that says you get to go and do X if invited then you get to do that. Show me where the CBA states it's subject to covid cancelations? The link to the CBA is some posts above if you would like to see it for the first time and go look for your source.

And I don't have kids in sports so not one of those parents either.

 

[93LEAFS]

Now there is a solution to the cancelations but you're still against them going. So your real problem is not with the cancelations.

Yes, when you sign a contract that says you get to go and do X if invited then you get to do that. Show me where the CBA states it's subject to covid cancelations? The link to the CBA is some posts above if you would like to see it for the first time and go look for your source.

And I don't have kids in sports so not one of those parents either.

It says subject to agreement by all parties. In 24.1

and this. This is the key focus

The parties recognize that events may unfold such that the monthly schedule may need to be altered or modified to adjust for unforeseen and compelling circumstances. The Clubs shall use their best efforts to notify and consult with the Club’s NHLPA Player

Representative (or other NHLPA Player Designee), either in advance of, or as soon as practicable following, the decision to make such alterations or modifications. League scheduled off-days or breaks (e.g., All-Star break, Holidays, Olympics) shall count as a day off for purposes of this subsection (a).

 

[Marioesque]

How do we know it is even a solution if it hasn't even been tested yet? We had taxi squads last year and saw mass cancelations.

Those are due the countries that host the businesses. They have rules that cause longer quarantine, and create situations where too many players are out and games need canceling. Now the CDC has cut quarantine to 5 days and cba was updated for taxi squad use. You could easily just increase the size of taxi squad and have Olympics and avoid cancelations. AHL might see cancelations.

 

[Marioesque]

It says subject to agreement by all parties. In 24.1

and this. This is the key focus

Circumstances have changed favorably to participation with the taxi squad addition.

You can easily see the parties do not agree, if you have bothered to read what the cattle is mooing

 

[93LEAFS]

Those are due the countries that host the businesses. They have rules that cause longer quarantine, and create situations where too many players are out and games need canceling. Now the CDC has cut quarantine to 5 days and cba was updated for taxi squad use. You could easily just increase the size of taxi squad and have Olympics and avoid cancelations. AHL might see cancelations.

And again, why should the NHL have players playing on the other side of the world while they have games being played. The IIHF isn't Fifa, and doesn't have the power to impose penalties on clubs for not loaning players.

And, no, Taxi squads haven't proven to be a solution. And, all parties need to agree to go to the Olympics, all it takes is one party not agreeing.

 

[DueDiligence]

International soccer players are much more often representing countries and clubs and leagues co-operate.

The players go to those tournaments because there is much more money involved. it's all about the money or lack therof.