He had a chance to not sign that contract. So, yes, he had free will at the time he decided to give up those rights. He is not going to pass up any necessities of life if he plays for 500K a year in Zurich.
Olympics: NHL participation in the 2022 Olympics
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Pretty odd choice to name soccer (or football as it is known outside of NA) as they don't consider the Olympics much of a priority.
If the NHL sends players to the Olympics or not it was zero effect in growing the game.
That would be true if you were the arbiter of "necessities of life" but since you are not and the player in question is, their idea of necessities come to play. Free will does not work anymore. You are talking about free choice.
You are stretching necessities so far it's ridiculous. He had free will. Playing in the NHL isn't a necessity, only making 500k a year instead of 6m isn't a necessity, to label it as such so greatly diminishes people who lack free will it's borderline offensive to people who lack free will and have to make horrible choices out of necessity.
Now you're confusing values with the concept of free will? Just use free choice for accuracy. You're describing that.
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Don't think they can terminate them, but when their contracts are up, sure, sign with the KHL. If that's what they want.
Russia gonna give up its share of Olympic profits and donate it all to the NHL? If not he should shut his mouth.
Dunno if NHL players not coming to these olympics was avoidable. Probably not.
However it is embarrassing for hockey that for a sport as big as this, we can't even be certain if the world's best players are coming to the biggest international events normally.
However it is embarrassing for hockey that for a sport as big as this, we can't even be certain if the world's best players are coming to the biggest international events normally.
No, you are dramatically stretching the term of necessity. NHL players have free will, and to argue otherwise is a disservice to people who don't.
cowboy82nd
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They aren't, and that's why i said that this time this probably was unavoidable.
However there's 2018 as an example of things being normal and we still couldn't get the best of the best to play in olympics. I think it's a shame for hockey and stunts the growth and enjoyment of the game internationally.
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They do not, which from their part is bad business planning. They need to expand the market but clearly do not know how to go about it globally.
Well, it's sort of garbage to hear a group that profits off of this free labor to call it a disgrace for a for-profit business to not send their players.
cowboy82nd
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Well, if Mr. Marchand wanted to go to the Olympics so bad, why did he sign a contract to play for an NHL team during that time frame? Why didn't he have his contract end last year, and go to the Olympics then? He knew by signing the contract, that he was the property of the Bruins (and the NHL) and they have the ultimate final word.
vorky
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More from Dmitry Chernyshenko today, "there is always this kind of negotiations (with NHL about Olympics), before the 2014 Olympics the NHL had no argument (not to go). Now the NHL is using the coronavirus & concern for the health of hockey players as a cover"
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Wayne Gretzky doesnt agree.
Saw yesterday a documentation about the Czech's win in Nagano. For example Theo Fleury was involved. He said that he cried when he got the nomination to represent Canada. It was a big thing for him to belong to the 23 best players Canada had 1998. Maybe we underestimate what it means for the players.
Or i think many will remember Gretzky, sitting minutes alone on the bench after the defeat. Im sure he would exchange a Stanley cup against the win 1998.
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This is such a poor argument and it shouldn't need to be either this or that. Besides NHL players were supposed to be there, so when Marchand signed his contract, it looked very likely he would be able to go to the Olympics.
I think playing in the NHL is higher priority for him than playing in the Olympics, but that doesn't mean he is not entitled to an opinion or feeling cheated by the way this was handled.
Yes, because Brad Marchand has indentured servitude. He's not free to retire and start a career in any other field outside of hockey tomorrow. But, he did sign away his rights as a hockey player to be controlled exclusively by the NHL/NHLPA agreement and the Bruins.Marchand be like
You can not be serious here.
He signed it when they were still disputing South Korea, so he would be a moron to not think never going to the olympics wasn't a possibility.
A successful employer will have to consider their workers needs and wants and prioritize them. Players want to go to olympics, players should go to olympics. That simple. They do the work.
I'm trying to understand the perspective you are coming from with these ultra corporatist takes, almost like a dystopian fantasy but on the side of the machine. It's quite odd to me. Was Mr. Burns the most likeable character in Simpsons?
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Come wit it now!
An employer will want their workers to you know... Do the job they are paid to do.
