NHL Mega-Mock Draft Reboot - Discussion / Draft Thread - PHASE FOURTEEN! Part One!

[BernieParent]

Team Hill to Die On - The Broad Street Bullies are overrated crap

- That era of hockey is not impressive, including any accomplishments or records set during it -
When everyone looks like an out-of-shape 50 year old man and the goalies look like stick figures, I don't give a damn how many goals or assists were scored or what awards were won. Everyone who played 40+ years ago deserves a massive asterisk in the record books.

- That era of hockey is not entertaining -
It's slow, clunky, bumbling, unskilled crap. It literally looks like present day alumni games, with minimally more speed and skill. The increased physicality isn't enough to make it watchable if you actually like hockey instead of WWE on ice.

- That era of hockey is only remembered fondly due to nostalgia and people being too young to know better -
I get loving things that you liked when you were a kid. I have fond memories of childhood games/shows/etc that I thought were amazing at the time, but if you go back to them years later you realize they're not what you remembered.

If we could magically swap out the current NHL for the 1970's NHL, nobody would watch it or give a shit. It was acceptable then because it was the best you had but now we should all know better. They don't deserve the praise and hero status they continue to have, as if they were amazing athletes by todays standards. Which makes it crazy that people still compare the current players/teams to them, as if they were superior in any way.

If time travel were possible and they were able to play each other, the current garbage, boring, miserable, unskilled Flyers team would stomp that Cup winning team into dust.


@CanadianFlyer88 fight me

Even though I fell in love with both hockey and the Flyers during this era, I will 80% agree with your statement. When I catch a throwback game from the 1970s or 1980s, it is so much slo-o-o-ower than what we are accustomed to at present. Plus, they looked like they were playing in their pyjamas.

But, the players who actually rushed the puck like the wind, who scored tons of goals, and who looked every bit like offensive dynamos in these eras of plodding clutch-and-grab deserve their accolades even more. Imagine being 5'7", 179 lb Yvan Cournoyer during the 70s and having to duck and dodge violent stick swings and other thuggery. Or Stan Mikita (5'9", 170 lbs), Dave Keon (5'9", 165 lbs), or Pit Martin (5'9", 170 lbs). All of these players were in the top 50 in scoring for the 1970-71 season. I think, too, of Mario Lemieux, who scored at an otherworldly pace when it was legal to hook, hold, and bludgeon opposing players. In goal, there was of course Parent, Dryden, Tretiak, and Cheevers as the outstanding goaltenders of the 1970s. Parent's numbers were fantastic: 141 regular-season games: 91-27-22 record with a 1.96 GAA and 24 shutouts; playoffs: 22-10 with a 1.96 GAA and six shutouts.

Bottom line: the best of their eras remain honour-worthy for their excellence far and beyond their peers.

 

[DancingPanther]

Team Hill to Die On - The Broad Street Bullies are overrated crap

- That era of hockey is not impressive, including any accomplishments or records set during it -
When everyone looks like an out-of-shape 50 year old man and the goalies look like stick figures, I don't give a damn how many goals or assists were scored or what awards were won. Everyone who played 40+ years ago deserves a massive asterisk in the record books.

- That era of hockey is not entertaining -
It's slow, clunky, bumbling, unskilled crap. It literally looks like present day alumni games, with minimally more speed and skill. The increased physicality isn't enough to make it watchable if you actually like hockey instead of WWE on ice.

- That era of hockey is only remembered fondly due to nostalgia and people being too young to know better -
I get loving things that you liked when you were a kid. I have fond memories of childhood games/shows/etc that I thought were amazing at the time, but if you go back to them years later you realize they're not what you remembered.

If we could magically swap out the current NHL for the 1970's NHL, nobody would watch it or give a shit. It was acceptable then because it was the best you had but now we should all know better. They don't deserve the praise and hero status they continue to have, as if they were amazing athletes by todays standards. Which makes it crazy that people still compare the current players/teams to them, as if they were superior in any way.

If time travel were possible and they were able to play each other, the current garbage, boring, miserable, unskilled Flyers team would stomp that Cup winning team into dust.


@CanadianFlyer88 fight me

Sincerely believe ECHL teams today would beat most 70s teams.

Don't get me wrong, there were excellent players/teams back then that revolutionized the game. We all know who they are

But yeah

 

[DancingPanther]

Even though I fell in love with both hockey and the Flyers during this era, I will 80% agree with your statement. When I catch a throwback game from the 1970s or 1980s, it is so much slo-o-o-ower than what we are accustomed to at present. Plus, they looked like they were playing in their pyjamas.

But, the players who actually rushed the puck like the wind, who scored tons of goals, and who looked every bit like offensive dynamos in these eras of plodding clutch-and-grab deserve their accolades even more. Imagine being 5'7", 179 lb Yvan Cournoyer during the 70s and having to duck and dodge violent stick swings and other thuggery. Or Stan Mikita (5'9", 170 lbs), Dave Keon (5'9", 165 lbs), or Pit Martin (5'9", 170 lbs). All of these players were in the top 50 in scoring for the 1970-71 season. I think, too, of Mario Lemieux, who scored at an otherworldly pace when it was legal to hook, hold, and bludgeon opposing players. In goal, there was of course Parent, Dryden, Tretiak, and Cheevers as the outstanding goaltenders of the 1970s. Parent's numbers were fantastic: 141 regular-season games: 91-27-22 record with a 1.96 GAA and 24 shutouts; playoffs: 22-10 with a 1.96 GAA and six shutouts.

Bottom line: the best of their eras remain honour-worthy for their excellence far and beyond their peers.

Of course they do

But most of those other dudes straight up suck

 

[Striiker]

Even though I fell in love with both hockey and the Flyers during this era, I will 80% agree with your statement. When I catch a throwback game from the 1970s or 1980s, it is so much slo-o-o-ower than what we are accustomed to at present. Plus, they looked like they were playing in their pyjamas.

But, the players who actually rushed the puck like the wind, who scored tons of goals, and who looked every bit like offensive dynamos in these eras of plodding clutch-and-grab deserve their accolades even more. Imagine being 5'7", 179 lb Yvan Cournoyer during the 70s and having to duck and dodge violent stick swings and other thuggery. Or Stan Mikita (5'9", 170 lbs), Dave Keon (5'9", 165 lbs), or Pit Martin (5'9", 170 lbs). All of these players were in the top 50 in scoring for the 1970-71 season. I think, too, of Mario Lemieux, who scored at an otherworldly pace when it was legal to hook, hold, and bludgeon opposing players. In goal, there was of course Parent, Dryden, Tretiak, and Cheevers as the outstanding goaltenders of the 1970s. Parent's numbers were fantastic: 141 regular-season games: 91-27-22 record with a 1.96 GAA and 24 shutouts; playoffs: 22-10 with a 1.96 GAA and six shutouts.

Bottom line: the best of their eras remain honour-worthy for their excellence far and beyond their peers.

I'm in a tricky spot here because while I was serious about my own opinion on that era and that I can't agree with people saying otherwise, I also have absolutely zero desire to even attempt to dissuade fans like yourself from liking those teams or disagreeing with me. Like I said, I had very different fans in mind.

I just can't personally find any way to be impressed by those players unless I'm strictly judging them against each other, which wasn't the perspective of my statement. Even when I watch a video like the one below and see them dancing around their peers as if they're standing still, I just can't help but be more focused on how bad the defense and goaltending was than the ability of the goal scorer.

And again, my personal hill is looking at it from a "then vs now" perspective, which is very specific and is extremely different from looking at excellence relative to their peers. This all popped in my head after seeing arguments about the best Flyers of all time and where current/recent players fit within that ranking. I don't think it's fair to say someone is the best of all time if they're only considered that because of when they played.

 

[Hurricane28]

Made the VA Beach Surge into the 33rd NHL team in NHL 22's expansion mode. 25-10-5 after 40 games.

Team is:

Gaudreau-Hertl-Perron
Bunting-PLD-Boeser
Marchment-Anthanasiou-Sheary
Galchenyuk-Stenlund-Patrick

Girard-Klingberg
Ekholm-Bear
Grzelcyk-Foote

Kahkkonen
Lankinen

They made this year's upcoming FA the FA after the draft so most of the good guys were available I just had to pay them. FA was wild though. Giroux went to Detroit. Malkin went to Colorado. Bergeron to Ottawa. Zibby to Anaheim. I offer sheeted Boeser by accident.

Rosters are a custom roster made on another forum somewhere that has draft classes up until 2024. I used realistic sliders I found online and sim the first 55 min of a game. If it is tied, I'm down 1 or ahead 1 I play out the last 5 min on superstar. Having fun with it.

 

[DancingPanther]

Made the VA Beach Surge into the 33rd NHL team in NHL 22's expansion mode. 25-10-5 after 40 games.

Team is:

Gaudreau-Hertl-Perron
Bunting-PLD-Boeser
Marchment-Anthanasiou-Sheary
Galchenyuk-Stenlund-Patrick

Girard-Klingberg
Ekholm-Bear
Grzelcyk-Foote

Kahkkonen
Lankinen

They made this year's upcoming FA the FA after the draft so most of the good guys were available I just had to pay them. FA was wild though. Giroux went to Detroit. Malkin went to Colorado. Bergeron to Ottawa. Zibby to Anaheim. I offer sheeted Boeser by accident.

Rosters are a custom roster made on another forum somewhere that has draft classes up until 2024. I used realistic sliders I found online and sim the first 55 min of a game. If it is tied, I'm down 1 or ahead 1 I play out the last 5 min on superstar. Having fun with it.

Link to forum sliders pls

 

[Hurricane28]

Link to forum sliders pls

It’s a bit slow at first and I tinkered with it slightly increasing game speed but I enjoy how it plays. I can see it not being for everyone though

How to Set Realistic Game Sliders in NHL 22 | DiamondLobby

 

[DancingPanther]

It’s a bit slow at first and I tinkered with it slightly increasing game speed but I enjoy how it plays. I can see it not being for everyone though

How to Set Realistic Game Sliders in NHL 22 | DiamondLobby

Does it eliminate the nhlcheese of the puck constantly bouncing right to the CPU

 

[BernieParent]

I'm in a tricky spot here because while I was serious about my own opinion on that era and that I can't agree with people saying otherwise, I also have absolutely zero desire to even attempt to dissuade fans like yourself from liking those teams or disagreeing with me. Like I said, I had very different fans in mind.

I just can't personally find any way to be impressed by those players unless I'm strictly judging them against each other, which wasn't the perspective of my statement. Even when I watch a video like the one below and see them dancing around their peers as if they're standing still, I just can't help but be more focused on how bad the defense and goaltending was than the ability of the goal scorer.

And again, my personal hill is looking at it from a "then vs now" perspective, which is very specific and is extremely different from looking at excellence relative to their peers. This all popped in my head after seeing arguments about the best Flyers of all time and where current/recent players fit within that ranking. I don't think it's fair to say someone is the best of all time if they're only considered that because of when they played.

Remember that I 80% agreed with you. I would probably sit about halfway up this hill to be your shield-bearer, even though I can still watch games from the 1970s and enjoy them.

The talent level wasn't the same in the 1970s even though there were fewer teams because the influx of European talent was a decade away, longer for Russian players. Most of the Europeans coming to North America at the time were playing in the WHA.

You are also right about it being a fool's errand to try to definitively state what player was greatest of all time because of the sea change to the NHL game over the decades, including the equipment and training. Players in the 1950s used to work summer jobs to supplement their income. There is a case to be made about players like Gretzky who processed the game mentally on a whole different level.

Exercises like era-adjusted scoring -- like this one -- are fun to look at when considering historical rankings. It is way closer to an apples-to-apples analysis than pure numbers.

 

[Striiker]

Remember that I 80% agreed with you. I would probably sit about halfway up this hill to be your shield-bearer, even though I can still watch games from the 1970s and enjoy them.

Yup, I know. I just wanted to use that as a chance to clarify a little bit.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Jaquiskie Fartt, amirite? HAHA f***er. "SKIPPERRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

We start the day with @Rebels57 on the clock at the bank. He can either pick a shitty shitbag for his shits or a fictional owner for L'Hartford Whale de Los Angeles. @BernieParent is back on deck with a babe he can swap with an actor swap he can swap with a fictional owner for Florida Man. You could say that Bernard is also Florida Man, but I think we can all agree that doing so would be grossly inaccurate, and I do emphasize GROSSLY. Speaking of gross, Loverboy @CanadianFlyer88 is on the lido deck working for the weekend on a weekday. Don't ask me why - he's in the financial sector, whatever that means, and I'm not a financialist. There are many reasons for that, and manly reasons for that, but the biggest reason is that I am a zero dollaraire. Striiker is on the lido afterdeck, but as far as I can tell he is finished with this phase. He sealed off his Spite Supergroup. He capped it at three. He is going to get literally Capped if he doesn't give me the name of his group this morning.

That blind chicken passed away the other day. I don't like it when that happens. And then last night I ate huge chicken legs like I was at a Renaissance Fair in a Henry VIII costume. Alanis would say that it was "onomatopoeic," but she is a f***ing idiot.

It's always surprising when the NFL gets to this point where there is only one game left. You get used to months of games all over the place, and then suddenly it's all over. The good news is that I can relax now that the f***nuggets have been knocked out. I am HUGELY rooting for the Bengals, but I can live with either result. The Rams have always been my fifth most-hated team, but now my brother wants them to win, and that takes some of the sting out of that possibility. He is my contingency plan which keeps me perfectly balanced emotionally. What are you laughing at? I'm f***ing balanced, damn it.

 

[BiggE]

Jaquiskie Fartt, amirite? HAHA f***er. "SKIPPERRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

We start the day with @Rebels57 on the clock at the bank. He can either pick a shitty shitbag for his shits or a fictional owner for L'Hartford Whale de Los Angeles. @BernieParent is back on deck with a babe he can swap with an actor swap he can swap with a fictional owner for Florida Man. You could say that Bernard is also Florida Man, but I think we can all agree that doing so would be grossly inaccurate, and I do emphasize GROSSLY. Speaking of gross, Loverboy @CanadianFlyer88 is on the lido deck working for the weekend on a weekday. Don't ask me why - he's in the financial sector, whatever that means, and I'm not a financialist. There are many reasons for that, and manly reasons for that, but the biggest reason is that I am a zero dollaraire. Striiker is on the lido afterdeck, but as far as I can tell he is finished with this phase. He sealed off his Spite Supergroup. He capped it at three. He is going to get literally Capped if he doesn't give me the name of his group this morning.

That blind chicken passed away the other day. I don't like it when that happens. And then last night I ate huge chicken legs like I was at a Renaissance Fair in a Henry VIII costume. Alanis would say that it was "onomatopoeic," but she is a f***ing idiot.

It's always surprising when the NFL gets to this point where there is only one game left. You get used to months of games all over the place, and then suddenly it's all over. The good news is that I can relax now that the f***nuggets have been knocked out. I am HUGELY rooting for the Bengals, but I can live with either result. The Rams have always been my fifth most-hated team, but now my brother wants them to win, and that takes some of the sting out of that possibility. He is my contingency plan which keeps me perfectly balanced emotionally. What are you laughing at? I'm f***ing balanced, damn it.

Condolences on the chicken

 

[DancingPanther]

Jaquiskie Fartt, amirite? HAHA f***er. "SKIPPERRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

We start the day with @Rebels57 on the clock at the bank. He can either pick a shitty shitbag for his shits or a fictional owner for L'Hartford Whale de Los Angeles. @BernieParent is back on deck with a babe he can swap with an actor swap he can swap with a fictional owner for Florida Man. You could say that Bernard is also Florida Man, but I think we can all agree that doing so would be grossly inaccurate, and I do emphasize GROSSLY. Speaking of gross, Loverboy @CanadianFlyer88 is on the lido deck working for the weekend on a weekday. Don't ask me why - he's in the financial sector, whatever that means, and I'm not a financialist. There are many reasons for that, and manly reasons for that, but the biggest reason is that I am a zero dollaraire. Striiker is on the lido afterdeck, but as far as I can tell he is finished with this phase. He sealed off his Spite Supergroup. He capped it at three. He is going to get literally Capped if he doesn't give me the name of his group this morning.

That blind chicken passed away the other day. I don't like it when that happens. And then last night I ate huge chicken legs like I was at a Renaissance Fair in a Henry VIII costume. Alanis would say that it was "onomatopoeic," but she is a f***ing idiot.

It's always surprising when the NFL gets to this point where there is only one game left. You get used to months of games all over the place, and then suddenly it's all over. The good news is that I can relax now that the f***nuggets have been knocked out. I am HUGELY rooting for the Bengals, but I can live with either result. The Rams have always been my fifth most-hated team, but now my brother wants them to win, and that takes some of the sting out of that possibility. He is my contingency plan which keeps me perfectly balanced emotionally. What are you laughing at? I'm f***ing balanced, damn it.

D'ope

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Team Babe: Babe Didrikson Zaharias

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Team Babe: Babe Didrikson Zaharias

Bless you.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Team Babe: Babe Didrikson Zaharias

Contemplated picking her as our team golfer, given that she was a multi-sport athlete.

 

[Lord Defect]

Can I name my band or do I have to wait? Who’s up?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Can I name my band or do I have to wait? Who’s up?

@Rebels57 is up and I’m sure he’ll be making that pick any minute now.

You can also release your name whenever you want.

 

[Lord Defect]

@Rebels57 is up and I’m sure he’ll be making that pick any minute now.

You can also release your name whenever you want.

So like now?
Because I’m not ready to release it. Do I have to?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

So like now?
Because I’m not ready to release it. Do I have to?

What the f*** is the matter with you?

 

[Lord Defect]

What the f*** is the matter with you?

Work. Work is the matter.
But also you guys contribute

 

[Lord Defect]

So to put in into perspective, if I worked the past 24 days I would have worked 14 days straight. I take no responsibility for this math.

 

[Rebels57]

@ajgoal hates sharp provolone because his taste buds are defective. So naturally, as rivals, the FOG choose AURICCHIO, the manufacturer of the best sharp provolone on the planet, as his owner.

His arena will reek and I cant wait to visit it and bask in the stench.

 

[Lord Defect]

@ajgoal hates sharp provolone because his taste buds are defective. So naturally, as rivals, the FOG choose AURICCHIO, the manufacturer of the best sharp provolone on the planet, as his owner.

His arena will reek and I cant wait to visit it and bask in the stench.

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Take this back. I have taste.
Excellent pick btw

 

[Rebels57]

@BernieParent go on wit cha bad self