Prospect Info: NHL Entry Draft thread: LA Kings select Quinton Byfield 2nd Overall (Part 3)

[La sports fan]

Some of these views are not as off base as you think. The Kings see TS as a better fit. Skill wise, they don't see it as a big advantage for QB, however long term projection they do see QB as the better player. With that said, there are people within the organization that feel TS can shine with Turcotte.

 

[Reaper45]

Some of these views are not as off base as you think. The Kings see TS as a better fit. Skill wise, they don't see it as a big advantage for QB, however long term projection they do see QB as the better player. With that said, there are people within the organization that feel TS can shine with Turcotte.

I can see it. Look I've had inside sources too and everyone is quick to discredit this kind of stuff. It's easy to not believe everyone on the Internet, even if you could be telling the honest to gods truth.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some of these views are not as off base as you think. The Kings see TS as a better fit. Skill wise, they don't see it as a big advantage for QB, however long term projection they do see QB as the better player. With that said, there are people within the organization that feel TS can shine with Turcotte.

What does that even mean? How is he a “better fit”? And Turcotte is also a playmaker, similar to Stuetzle. Who’s going to be the trigger man?

Given that they have Turcotte and Madden who are both skilled puck handlers, Byfield presents something far more unique that seems to be a “better fit.”

 

[King'sPawn]

They had the 12th pick and traded down a spot to let Buffalo select Tyler Myers, too. The next five defensemen taken after Teubert at 13: Erik Karlsson (15), Jake Gardiner (17), Luca Sbisa (19), Michael Del Zotto (20), Tyler Cuma (23), and John Carlson (27). The Kings then selected Voynov at 32, six picks before Roman Josi (38).

The Kings realistically could have had Doughty, Karlsson, and Josi from the same draft.

I understand your point, though not to pick on you, I hope eventually we get over the "we could have got x."

Josi and Karlsson may not have grown to be the players they are in LA. This isn't a remark on the development staff, Sutter, etc. It's just they were a product of the environment they developed under, much like Kings players are in LA. Different experiences, relationships, and events may have influenced them differently.

Again, not picking on you, but I think it's important to recognize not all outcomes would be identical for all 31 teams

 

[Schrute farms]

The problem is, the internet is littered with this same scenario. Newbie comes in just before draft, FA, trade deadline.....and has supposed inside information. What annoys me is him surprised anyone who be skeptical and not all excited about hearing from him. How naïve must you be -- of course ppl would not automatically be loving the information. Heck, the information isn't even anything new or different than what's been said or hypothesized by everyone else here. Nothing that happens today will confirm/deny what he has said.
Anyway, this poster would need to have been literally brand new to the internet a couple days ago to not be aware of the understandable backlash. It could be true, but it would be like the 0.0000001% chance that this scenario (newbie knows someone in Kings FO and has heard valid information) is true.

Now if a poster who has been around here or somewhere else said it (like you R45), then i'm likely in and way more believing it. But this scenario -- ehhhhh, major 'grain of salt' time.

 

[La sports fan]

What does that even mean? How is he a “better fit”? And Turcotte is also a playmaker, similar to Stuetzle. Who’s going to be the trigger man?

Given that they have Turcotte and Madden who are both skilled puck handlers, Byfield presents something far more unique that seems to be a “better fit.”

Turcotte is a complete player. The speed he and TS would present to defenses would be incredible. They can put u on the other wing and they'd be okay regardless, lol.

Picking QB would mean moving players out of their original position, that's the only downfall. It might not be as big a deal, bit something to consider.

 

[La sports fan]

The problem is, the internet is littered with this same scenario. Newbie comes in just before draft, FA, trade deadline.....and has supposed inside information. What annoys me is him surprised anyone who be skeptical and not all excited about hearing from him. How naïve must you be -- of course ppl would not automatically be loving the information. Heck, the information isn't even anything new or different than what's been said or hypothesized by everyone else here. Nothing that happens today will confirm/deny what he has said.
Anyway, this poster would need to have been literally brand new to the internet a couple days ago to not be aware of the understandable backlash. It could be true, but it would be like the 0.0000001% chance that this scenario (newbie knows someone in Kings FO and has heard valid information) is true.

Now if a poster who has been around here or somewhere else said it (like you R45), then i'm likely in and way more believing it. But this scenario -- ehhhhh, major 'grain of salt' time.

Not an Insider at all. Just heard some stuff from someone related to a scout. Just passing along what is going on behind the scenes, and yes, everything you have heard is REAL. Kings are trying to get OTT to bite on 3rd OA, 28OA plus 2nd round pick for 2nd OA. Kings might settle for 3rd. and 28th.

Blake and Yanetti are ultimately going to make the final call, as of now the Kings are not set on either player. If the Kings get a deal they like, it's Stuetzle, if not, it's QB. Have fun everyone!

 

[AzKing]

Turcotte is a complete player. The speed he and TS would present to defenses would be incredible. They can put u on the other wing and they'd be okay regardless, lol.

Picking QB would mean moving players out of their original position, that's the only downfall. It might not be as big a deal, bit something to consider.

The Kings don't exactly have that projection yet for Turcotte so I am not sure they are going to draft this year based on him as a player.

The Kings have not drafted based on need so far. They go BPA on their board. It could be either player but I doubt that their draft will have anything to do with what Turcotte does.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Turcotte is a complete player. The speed he and TS would present to defenses would be incredible. They can put u on the other wing and they'd be okay regardless, lol.

Picking QB would mean moving players out of their original position, that's the only downfall. It might not be as big a deal, bit something to consider.

Stuetzle has also said he seems himself as a center, and they already have Turcotte, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Dudas, so a few of those guys will already have to be playing out of their natural positions already whenever the NHL/AHL resumes. The difference is, none of those guys are at Byfield’s level.

 

[Jason Squirties]

The problem is, the internet is littered with this same scenario. Newbie comes in just before draft, FA, trade deadline.....and has supposed inside information. What annoys me is him surprised anyone who be skeptical and not all excited about hearing from him. How naïve must you be -- of course ppl would not automatically be loving the information. Heck, the information isn't even anything new or different than what's been said or hypothesized by everyone else here. Nothing that happens today will confirm/deny what he has said.
Anyway, this poster would need to have been literally brand new to the internet a couple days ago to not be aware of the understandable backlash. It could be true, but it would be like the 0.0000001% chance that this scenario (newbie knows someone in Kings FO and has heard valid information) is true.

Now if a poster who has been around here or somewhere else said it (like you R45), then i'm likely in and way more believing it. But this scenario -- ehhhhh, major 'grain of salt' time.

use your IL no matter how premature it seems, I think we already see where that's headed.

 

[Mats26]

Here's a perspective that I don't think anyone mentioned. What about the player themselves, and if they have a preference to play in LA or Ottawa. I get this vibe from multiple interviews that Stuzle would like to play in LA, he is able to name our prospects and seems to take an interest in the Kings future players. I don't get the same vibe with QB. He is low key and just seems to be going through the motions in the on line interviews that are public.

In 2008 when selecting Drew, he was a big Kings fan, Lomardi and company visited his house and saw the Kings memobilia in his room. They were impressed by this. Do you think a player that really wants to play in a city will have a big impact on the selection? I heard Luc say multiple times they want players that want to play in LA. Can this be a deciding factor if all other critiria is razor thin?

 

[kingsboy11]

Thank God the day is finally here. I'm really hoping its Byfield, but if its Stutzle I don't think my disappointment will last for very long because he's an outstanding talent. I have no reason to doubt Yanetti on this pick.

 

[La sports fan]

Stuetzle has also said he seems himself as a center, and they already have Turcotte, Madden, Kupari, Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Dudas, so a few of those guys will already have to be playing out of their natural positions already whenever the NHL/AHL resumes. The difference is, none of those guys are at Byfield’s level.

Valid points, hey...... I personally prefer QB.

 

[Pucknut50]

If you claim to have watched Stuetzle, then you wouldn't be comparing him to Ziggy. Ziggy had a lethal shot and was money on breakaways. Show me how many breakaway goals Stuetzle has scored on, or come off the wing and ripped a shot over a goalie's shoulder.

You also clearly haven't watched Byfield, because everything you claim Stuetzle can do, he can do as well.

Ziggy, Your right Palffy did have a better shot but Stutzle is 18. And yes Byfield can do the things Stutzle does and the reason many are picking Byfield #2. But me at 62 years old watching so much hockey through the years(I'm sure like yourself)I see a special player in Stutzle. The thing I don't like about Byfield is he is not strong on the puck. There is so many talented players in the NHL and the ones who separate themselves to other NHL players is puck control and seeing the ice. Hey if the Kings take Byfield I will root for him like I do with all Kings players and if Stutzle ends up a superstar but Byfield helps us win another cup then he was the right pick.

 

[BigKing]

It has always made sense to trade down to #3 if the Kings are pretty split on who to take and would generally prefer either of them + sweetener(s) v. just taking one of them. It isn't outlandish to throw that out there, sources or not.

If the Kings could get 28 for moving down one spot, it gives them another chip along with all of the 2nd round picks to move up further in the first round. Don't know how plausible it is but Blake wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't exploring options like this.

 

[Little Psycho]

Oh man, I remember being disappointed when we drafted Doughty. Good times.

 

[DaveMatthew]

It has always made sense to trade down to #3 if the Kings are pretty split on who to take and would generally prefer either of them + sweetener(s) v. just taking one of them. It isn't outlandish to throw that out there, sources or not.

If the Kings could get 28 for moving down one spot, it gives them another chip along with all of the 2nd round picks to move up further in the first round. Don't know how plausible it is but Blake wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't exploring options like this.

From the sounds of it, Dorion is perfectly happy taking whoever falls between Byfield and Stutzle, so I don't think there's motivation on Ottawa's end to move to #2.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Good things seem to have happened for the Kings on October 6...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Also should note that Akil Thomas posted a photo celebrating with Byfield when they won gold at the WJC.

But Stuetzle posted a photo of himself at the beach a few weeks back...

 

[Peter James Bond III]

People have legit sources and leak things...the info could be correct, but never come to fruition.
Years ago, about midnight eve of the trading deadline, someone PM'd me here...I did not know them.
Maybe they just trusted me / liked me on the board and was a lurker. I never saw them post anything.

They sent this: Smolinski has been traded to Sens for Tim Gleason.
Matthieu Schneider has been traded to Detroit for Sean Avery.

The next day, the trades went down. This was 2003 and hard to recall all the details...I tried to find out who this was and
somehow found out it was a relative of Lieweke.

Also, when the Kings acquired Felix Potvin, someone posted it a few days before it was announced, on Yahoo sports King / NHL thread. Actually
a few days before it went down.

Sure, there is a lot of BS posted everywhere and then there are legit posts.

 

[Little Psycho]

Also should note that Akil Thomas posted a photo celebrating with Byfield when they won gold at the WJC.

But Stuetzle posted a photo of himself at the beach a few weeks back...

 

[BringTheReign]

Oh man, I remember being disappointed when we drafted Doughty. Good times.

I was banging the drum nonstop for Byfield (and still hope we pick him), but I too recently remembered that I was against picking Doughty. I think I wanted Bogosian.

EDIT: I went back to my first few posts on this board, and apparently I wanted Bogosian, but I was happy that they picked Doughty AND Teubert instead. I apparently figured Teubert brought the snarl we didn't get in picking DD over Bogosian.

 

[La sports fan]

From the sounds of it, Dorion is perfectly happy taking whoever falls between Byfield and Stutzle, so I don't think there's motivation on Ottawa's end to move to #2.

Dorion is playing Chess.

 

[Schrute farms]

From the sounds of it, Dorion is perfectly happy taking whoever falls between Byfield and Stutzle, so I don't think there's motivation on Ottawa's end to move to #2.

That may indeed be true -- but what do you expect him to say? "Man there's one guy i really love and the other one i'm just so-so on. I really hope the Kings pick the average guy and leave the one that we really, really want for us at #3." I mean, come on. Not to mention, this is the draft -- it's misdirection time (loose lips...)

 

[SFKingshomer]

Stoked the day is here and I’m anxious as hell. I will kick a baby down a flight of stairs if they don’t draft Byfield.