NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy

[TheGoldenJet]

McDavid and Draisaitl also played 7more games than Matthews. That also plays into factor. If Matthews also played those games he likely wins the Art Ross as well.

Leaf homer math checks out.

 

[Three On Zero]

Leaf homer math checks out.

Are you trying to gaslight Matthews and Leaf fans?

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Shesterkin most valuable based on winning pct with and without.

McDavid best player in the game.

Matthews the best goal scorer but team has always won without him.

Those should be the top three but arguments can be made for almost 15 others to be finalists, especially if value (wins vs losses) matters most.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Shesterkin most valuable based on winning pct with and without.

McDavid best player in the game.

Matthews the best goal scorer but team has always won without him.

Those should be the top three but arguments can be made for almost 15 others to be finalists, especially if value (wins vs losses) matters most.

Somehow the Leafs media machine has turned the Hart into a "narrative-based" award, much like the Norris has been in the past. The lobbying has been in over-drive and it will probably pay off. Much to the chagrin of more deserving players like McDavid, Josi, Shesterkin, Gaudreau etc

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Somehow the Leafs media machine has turned the Hart into a "narrative-based" award, much like the Norris has been in the past. The lobbying has been in over-drive and it will probably pay off. Much to the chagrin of more deserving players like McDavid, Josi, Shesterkin, Gaudreau etc

They voted Matthews 11th in 2017 when he finished 20th in scoring. He even got two 3rd-place votes (LOL), and the excuse was how much the Leafs improved. Let’s see if they apply the same logic this year.

 

[authentic]

You really just called Matthews a 2 way ELITE centerman AND COMPARED HIM TO Fedorov?

You Leafs fans need to seriously get a grip at this point. Is Matthews better defensively this year? Absolutely. Elite 2 way center?

No. Just no. Elite defensive centers aren't taking the 4th fewest defensive zone starts on their team like Matthews did this year.

Stop the cap

Edit.....Elite 2 way centerman also don't bleed HDSC like Matthews does or give up an unreal amount of 5v5 goals.

Again.....stop the cap.

Elite 2 way center

Matthews doesn’t bleed high danger scoring chances and his defensive zone starts are comparable to Bergeron the past 3 seasons at ES. If you don’t think Matthews is an elite two-way center you probably need to go find another sport to watch.

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You’re not understanding deployment. You also have good defensive centers who can’t score 60 goals a season.

If Matthews wasn’t a perennial rocket winner, you’d probably start him in the d zone more often

Get your logic out of here

 

[Atomos2]

They voted Matthews 11th in 2017 when he finished 20th in scoring. He even got two 3rd-place votes (LOL), and the excuse was how much the Leafs improved. Let’s see if they apply the same logic this year.

Yea best to use that logic rather than than the fact he's the only damn 60 goal scorer in the NHL in a decade.

Embarrassing how many people are belittling this feat. No appreciation of the game of hockey where the main objective is to score more goals than the other team.

 

[Scor]

Yea best to use that logic rather than than the fact he's the only damn 60 goal scorer in the NHL in a decade.

Well, Roman Josi is the highest scoring defenseman in the last 30ish years. I think if we're using your facts he should be the Hart winner.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Yea best to use that logic rather than than the fact he's the only damn 60 goal scorer in the NHL in a decade.

Embarrassing how many people are belittling this feat. No appreciation of the game of hockey where the main objective is to score more goals than the other team.

He gets the rocket.

But gaudreau led league in even strength points…. Give that man the trophy. At least that’s the leafs logic in Calder… guessing it changes now tho to help matthews

 

[The90]

Somehow the Leafs media machine has turned the Hart into a "narrative-based" award, much like the Norris has been in the past. The lobbying has been in over-drive and it will probably pay off. Much to the chagrin of more deserving players like McDavid, Josi, Shesterkin, Gaudreau etc

It’s amazing how upset you guys get about Matthews. Complaining about leaf media, while participating in a leaf thread on a social media site. Nice work Oscar!

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

What you’re describing is what teams do when they are penalty killing.

Teams may line match sometimes, and they might play more cautiously out of fear of being burned by a superstar, they might even put a certain player on a plan to shadow a superstar.

But, teams continue to try to score at 5 on 5, no matter what line they are playing against. If McDavid’s line is playing Matthews line, you think McDavid isn’t thinking about breaking out his teammates for a 2 on 1?

Teams often can catch offensive superstars cheating and score on them. These lines get scored on across the league every single game.

I'm not the one describing it. Former star player Daniel Alfredsson was the one describing it, and no offense, I think he knows a lot more about the nuances of hockey than you do.

Teams may line match sometimes, and they might play more cautiously out of fear of being burned by a superstar, they might even put a certain player on a plan to shadow a superstar.

Okay, but this is what I'm describing. You can play semantics all you want, it's obvious that I don't mean that teams literally never try to score when these dominant lines are out. And these things that you list here have a profound impact on how hard it is to play defense. If you are being matched up against a line that is playing cautious and shadowing you, then your job of playing defense just got a whole lot easier than most other lines.

 

[Atomos2]

Well, Roman Josi is the highest scoring defenseman in the last 30ish years. I think if we're using your facts he should be the Hart winner.

Umm ok that's nice. Good for him. Did I say he didn't have a case?

 

[nbwingsfan]

LMAO. That's ridiculous. The Leafs would not be any good at all without Matthews.

I've never once said that Matthews SHOULD win it, but to say that McDavid is the only logical choice, is dumb. Matthews is right there with him, and Josi, Gaudreau, Herberdeau are all worthy as well. It's a tight race and the FACT is.......no one is a lock to win it.

Isn’t the Leafs record even better when Matthews didn’t play this season?

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Isn’t the Leafs record even better when Matthews didn’t play this season?

Yeah but that's such a small sample size. We also lost 8-1 to Tampa without Matthews this year. Leafs are a good team. But not they're not a top 5 teaming standings wise without him.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Isn’t the Leafs record even better when Matthews didn’t play this season?

For a small sample size, yup.

I think 'in real life', we all know how they'd do without the guy.

 

[Busher]

Yeah but that's such a small sample size. We also lost 8-1 to Tampa without Matthews this year. Leafs are a good team. But not they're not a top 5 teaming standings wise without him.

Correct. The Leafs lost 8-1 to Tampa without Matthews.

Two weeks before that, Matthews scored a hat trick in a 6-2 win over Tampa. His 3 goals alone would have beaten Tampa that game.

Without Mathews, the Leafs are a good team. With Matthews, the Leafs are a Stanley Cup contender.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

It’s amazing how upset you guys get about Matthews. Complaining about leaf media, while participating in a leaf thread on a social media site. Nice work Oscar!

Exhibit A of the Leafs Hype Machine:

The "Hart Trophy" thread is now a "Leaf thread".

 

[The90]

Exhibit A of the Leafs Hype Machine:

The "Hart Trophy" thread is now a "Leaf thread".

And you’d be there to talk about the leafs either way

 

[Atomos2]

He gets the rocket.

But gaudreau led league in even strength points…. Give that man the trophy. At least that’s the leafs logic in Calder… guessing it changes now tho to help matthews

I don't get what the hell the Calder has to do with anything but Gaudreau has had a great season, he's a good hart candidate. Never said anything f***ing different.

Now how about we go back to talking about my actual post on how a 60 goal season isn't MVP worthy because of Leafs logic.

 

[copperlion]

Should be Josi

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't get what the hell the Calder has to do with anything but Gaudreau has had a great season, he's a good hart candidate. Never said anything f***ing different.

Now how about we go back to talking about my actual post on how a 60 goal season isn't MVP worthy because of Leafs logic.

Because Mcdavid josi gaudreau huberdeau and shesh had strong seasons than matthews and are more important to their teams…. Could prob make a strong case for kaprizov and makar too

 

[centipede2233]

It’s the writers who vote and I don’t know if people know, matthews finished second in hart voting behind mcdavid last season, and matthews didn’t break a leafs season single,goal scoring record, score 60 and help his team to the best regular season record in its storied history. im not a leafs fan but matthews will win the hart, not who I’d chose, just who I think the writers will chose.

 

[Atomos2]

Because Mcdavid josi gaudreau huberdeau and shesh had strong seasons than matthews and are more important to their teams…. Could prob make a strong case for kaprizov and makar too

In your opinion. But you're damn right. I don't know why they have a group of NHL writers vote on this when the truth is right here on HFBoards

 

[McVespa99]

I think a lot of reporters seem to want to give it to Matthews so he will win. Should be McDavid again though.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

In your opinion. But you're damn right. I don't know why they have a group of NHL writers vote on this when the truth is right here on HFBoards

I mean it’s a silly trophy… hopefully matthews is focused on a cup not a hart trophy…. Tho a hart trophy would help pride him out of Toronto so he can escape to Arizona

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I think a lot of reporters seem to want to give it to Matthews so he will win. Should be McDavid again though.

American goal scorer playing in Toronto…. He’ll def get votes just from that…. Also seems like writers are bored of giving the award to Mcdavid. JG and huberdeau don’t exactly have the same hype as Matthews as far as media goes. And I highly doubt they’ll let a Russian win it this year.

Josi vs Matthews prob makes most sense from writers perspective