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I'm not for or against your position, I just look forward to looking at the data that supports that conclusion.
Sounds good lol
I'm not for or against your position, I just look forward to looking at the data that supports that conclusion.
I'm not really interested in his defensive metrics because he's not really used in situations where he actually plays with a "defense first" mentality. And he shouldn't be for that matter, he's most effective when he's scoring goals, not shutting down the opposition. But there is an effect that happens when you are on an offensively dominant line where your matchup really isn't trying to score when you're on the ice, they're just concerned with shutting you down. I've seen many former players talk about this effect. I can recall Daniel Alfredsson saying how he was surprised when he played with Spezza and Heatley because the other teams stopped trying to score when they were out on the ice, they just focused on shutting down that line. The same thing is happening with Matthews, and really it's a testament to how lethal of an offensive threat he is. This however, does make it so his job on defense is a hell of a lot easier than most.He’s at the top of the league in offensive zone possession, goal scoring, actual offense, takeaways, face off %, very few giveaways, lots of blocked shots, if that isn’t a very good two way center then you’re out to lunch but we’ve gathered that from your previous posts already. He is the most dominant all around player in the game.
He also plays 5 minutes less a game than McDavid.Interesting stat - Gaudreau has 11 more ES points than second place, and a ridiculous 27 point lead on 11th (Kane and Guentzel).
3 and a half minutes less actually.He also plays 5 minutes less a game than McDavid.
Gaudreau or Josi should win the Hart.
HF will always HF. But you can tell by the buzz in the media that Matthews has this locked up. And who votes for the Hart trophy? Why the media of course. Where is most of the media located? Why Toronto of course. It’s not rocket appliancesKinda funny how Matthews Hart chance was mostly gone and he was ice cold....suddenly he scores 2 goals against one of the shittiest teams in the league and hes back to better being than McDavid....2 goals...2 goals against Detroit and suddenly hes locked everything down in Leafs fans eyes. HF gonna HF
Kinda funny how Matthews Hart chance was mostly gone and he was ice cold....suddenly he scores 2 goals against one of the shittiest teams in the league and hes back to better being than McDavid....2 goals...2 goals against Detroit and suddenly hes locked everything down in Leafs fans eyes. HF gonna HF
Yeah could definitely see that being the case, which is unfortunate. Players shouldn't get better odds just because they play in a major hockey city.HF will always HF. But you can tell by the buzz in the media that Matthews has this locked up. And who votes for the Hart trophy? Why the media of course. Where is most of the media located? Why Toronto of course. It’s not rocket appliances
That’s just absolutely incorrect, and the stats show it.I think you need to watch more teams other than Toronto. Matthews is a defensively responsible center no doubt. But there are quite a few centers in the league who have a far greater defensive impact than Matthews does.
You can make a case the Leafs are just as good without Matthews
Either way he definitely deserves itYeah could definitely see that being the case, which is unfortunate. Players shouldn't get better odds just because they play in a major hockey city.
Not really. Missed too many games and is way too far off the scoring race.Either way he definitely deserves it
The missed games actually adds to the impressivenessNot really. Missed too many games and is way too far off the scoring race.
His team is still very easily a playoff team without him.
Pretty much.Not really. Missed too many games and is way too far off the scoring race.
His team is still very easily a playoff team without him.
But not the value to his team, which is what the Hart measures.The missed games actually adds to the impressiveness
Why? Their win % is better without him lmao.The missed games actually adds to the impressiveness
Exactly the way I see it. He’s not used as a defensive forward at all. There’s been a mirage created that he’s something that he’s not defensively. He’s so dangerous offensively that like you said, teams stop trying to score entirely just to shut try and shut him down. It’s not hard to look good in both ends when that’s happening every time you’re on the ice. As for him winning the Hart, he doesn’t have the games played or the points. He’ll get more votes then he should because of where he plays but he has no chance of winning it. The Ted Lindsay however may be different.I'm not really interested in his defensive metrics because he's not really used in situations where he actually plays with a "defense first" mentality. And he shouldn't be for that matter, he's most effective when he's scoring goals, not shutting down the opposition. But there is an effect that happens when you are on an offensively dominant line where your matchup really isn't trying to score when you're on the ice, they're just concerned with shutting you down. I've seen many former players talk about this effect. I can recall Daniel Alfredsson saying how he was surprised when he played with Spezza and Heatley because the other teams stopped trying to score when they were out on the ice, they just focused on shutting down that line. The same thing is happening with Matthews, and really it's a testament to how lethal of an offensive threat he is. This however, does make it so his job on defense is a hell of a lot easier than most.
Interesting stat - Gaudreau has 11 more ES points than second place, and a ridiculous 27 point lead on 11th (Kane and Guentzel).