NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy

[authentic]

I mean, if you want to go there, it's your claim, prove it.

He ranks closer to those players by all defensive measures than he does to McDavid so it’s up to you to prove that he doesn’t.

 

[Coffey]

Remember when Stamkos had 60g and was second in league scoring and won the Hart?

Cause I don’t.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

He ranks closer to those players by all defensive measures than he does to McDavid so it’s up to you to prove that he doesn’t.

As a scientist, that's not how it works. Your claim, your job to support the position. That's how reality works @authentic. You posit a position, if it survives scrutiny, it moves onto the next stage. There is no thing as "disproving", your data either stands up to scrutiny or it crumbles given other/new data that better fits/describes the phenomenon.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He ranks closer to those players by all defensive measures than he does to McDavid so it’s up to you to prove that he doesn’t.

McDavid absolutely is closer to Matthews than Matthews is to Bergeron.

 

[Coffey]

As a scientist, that's not how it works. Your claim, your job to support the position. That's how reality works @authentic. You posit a position, if it survives scrutiny, it moves onto the next stage. There is no thing as "disproving", your data either stands up to scrutiny or it crumbles given other/new data that better fits/describes the phenomenon.

There are a lot of people that don’t live in reality, Bear.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

kane was almost a ppg last year and was pacing for like 35 goals. Yes McDavid is making him better but the guy is a 7mill topflight winger. Lets not act like hes chop liver.

I didn't say he was chop liver, I said AM plays with better linemates. Maybe you agree but your argument says otherwise.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Remember when Stamkos had 60g and was second in league scoring and won the Hart?

Cause I don’t.

He didn't play for the Leafs though.

 

[Mez]

Rest of the league knows who the floating art Ross trophy winner is. Best player in the game and MVP is Auston Matthews.

Great season by Matthews...but it does not make him the best player in the game....you have to be kidding me. McDavid has 191 more points than Matthews Since 2016. That would take Matthews almost 2 extra seasons to catch up lmao.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Great season by Matthews...but it does not make him the best player in the game....you have to be kidding me. McDavid has 191 more points than Matthews Since 2016. That would take Matthews almost 2 extra seasons to catch up lmao.

Its also interesting how Matthews defensive results, his analytics matter more than his actual results.

But for McDavid having an on ice shooting percentage 2.5% lower than his career norm doesnt matter.

If he was closer to his career average, he'd be another 10 points ahead of Matthews atleast.

 

[authentic]

McDavid absolutely is closer to Matthews than Matthews is to Bergeron.

Bergeron is in his own tier, everyone else Matthews is closer to.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Bergeron is in his own tier, everyone else Matthews is closer to.

So, what you're saying is that your statement was wrong.

 

[Edgelord]

Y'all keep saying the bold. The dude has some of the worst GA numbers in the league.

For real. Matthews is great at some things, defensive plays is not one of them. One day, perhaps.

Matthews gives up more 5 v 5 goals against than almost any forward.

This ”elite defensively” nonsense is a meme at this point.

McDavid has been the better player this season and is a better hockey player overall.

45 multi point games for McDavid is the most since Jagr in 1995-96.

McDavid likely wins his 4th Art Ross at age 25. Joins only Gretzky and Howe in that group.

It really is clear who actually watches and who just looks at his GA#'s
Anyone that actually watches both on a regular basis knows Matthews is 1 of the best 2 way centers in the league.

 

[authentic]

As a scientist, that's not how it works. Your claim, your job to support the position. That's how reality works @authentic. You posit a position, if it survives scrutiny, it moves onto the next stage. There is no thing as "disproving", your data either stands up to scrutiny or it crumbles given other/new data that better fits/describes the phenomenon.

The stats are readily available for you my friend, they’ve been posted here 1000s of times and they are just dismissed.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

The stats are readily available for you my friend, they’ve been posted here 1000s of times and they are just dismissed.

If the stats are readily available, then do share. That's literally all I'm asking. I searched, but couldn't find the relevant data that supported your position.

 

[authentic]

If the stats are readily available, then do share. That's literally all I'm asking. I searched, but couldn't find the relevant data that supported your position.

Then live in la la land if you wish

 

[haseoke39]

McDavid, Huberdeau, Goudreau, Matthews, Shesterkin, Josi.

It's a pretty good horserace, honestly. The vote should be pretty widely split.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Then live in la la land if you wish

I don't wish to, which is why I'm asking you to post the data to support your position.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Why do we keep talking about last year?

Gaudreau's linemates this year are Tkachuk and Lindholm.

Kane and Yamamoto/Puljujarvi is far less than Lindholm and Tkachuk.

And Kane outscored both of them.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

It really is clear who actually watches and who just looks at his GA#'s
Anyone that actually watches both on a regular basis knows Matthews is 1 of the best 2 way centers in the league.

I think you need to watch more teams other than Toronto. Matthews is a defensively responsible center no doubt. But there are quite a few centers in the league who have a far greater defensive impact than Matthews does.

 

[authentic]

I don't wish to, which is why I'm asking you to post the data to support your position.

Lol there is a lot of them and I’ll gladly post a bunch tomorrow.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Lol there is a lot of them and I’ll gladly post a bunch tomorrow.

Hmm ok.

 

[authentic]

I think you need to watch more teams other than Toronto. Matthews is a defensively responsible center no doubt. But there are quite a few centers in the league who have a far greater defensive impact than Matthews does.

He’s at the top of the league in offensive zone possession, goal scoring, overall offensive production, takeaways, face off %, very few giveaways, lots of blocked shots, if that isn’t a very good two way center then you’re out to lunch but we’ve gathered that from your previous posts already. He is the most dominant all around player in the game.

 

[authentic]

Hmm ok.

Don’t worry, it’s not really that close either.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Lol maybe if you understand what goaltending is..

matthews is one of the very best defensive players in the world

Because the Oilers are known for their elite goaltending?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Don’t worry, it’s not really that close either.

I'm not for or against your position, I just look forward to looking at the data that supports that conclusion.