Duffalufagus
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How is Matthews having a historical statistical season?
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Don’t be daft, highest scoring American goal scorer of all time, best G/GP in 30 years, might be the first since Lemieux to go, unofficially, 50 in 50, might break the cap era goal totals set by Ovi on 07.
What he is doing is as historic as Josi.
Lmao, most goals by a player from one country is not important unless that country is Canada. No one cares about G/GP either. It's nice he's on the doorstep of 60, but Stamkos did that too and all it got him was the Richard and a distant second in the Hart/Pearson race. It's a great season goal-wise sure but not "historic".
The Podium
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If he scores tomorrow it is literally the best goal scoring 50 game stretch in 30 years…. And he’s 10 goals away from the best goal scoring season in the cap era…despite missing 7 games
He’s also 2nd in PPG, 5th in scoring, while being the best defensive player of any of the players in the top 18* in scoring.
* Arguable between he and Barkov, but I’ll give Barkov the benefit of the doubt here
Some of you just refuse to give him credit
I found the flow chart. I guess after this season they might have to add a box that says "did a Leaf do pretty good? If so give the Hart Trophy to the Leaf" 
Again, both are such cherrypicked stats that no one is likely to think about them when voting on the awards. It's not a "true" 50 in 50 even if he does get it, and the cap era stat is a whatever. He may not even get it, so I don't know why you think that would be a factor in any voter's mind.
He's so good defensively he has been on the ice for the most 5 on 5 GA of any forward not named Nyquist, Mercer, or Sharangovich. TRulY hIstOriC.
Most goals in a season since Ovi, 15 years ago. Ovi easily won the hart that season.
It's very possible he surpasses ovechkins 65 goal mark and has the most goals since lemeuix 30 years ago.
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The Matthews defensive prowess myth is so bizarre
The Podium
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Lmao, whatever bud. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
There hasn’t been a true 50in50 since 92 or an unofficial since 96 I believe. The fact that you don’t think that it is impressive to do something that hasn’t been done in 26 years is almost laughable.
What Matthews is doing this season, literally has never been done in his lifetime.
As for the voters:
Hart Trophy Power Rankings: American stars leading the charge
The Hart Trophy race has featured a crowded field for much of this NHL campaign. But as the league nears the end of the regular season, the MVP chase is now more competitive than it's been throughout 2021-22.Jonathan Huberdeau and Cale Makar warrant some consideration. However, they haven't been...
B/R NHL Roundtable: Who Should Win the Hart, Auston Matthews or Connor McDavid?
They are two of the best players in the world today. And they are both front-runners for the 2022 Hart Trophy, given to the NHL's Most Valuable Player...
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NHL awards watch: Auston Matthews is cementing himself as the Hart Trophy frontrunner
There is some very healthy competition at the top, but the Hart Trophy is still very much Auston Matthews’ to lose.
And on and on
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Funny how you just ignore the part where you were clearly wrong LMFAO
He also didn’t say it’s not impressive
Look at your Matthews poster and take a few deep breaths
The Podium
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That you claim he is so amazing defensively but has more TGA than any of the other top scorers lmfao
So to recap
He is 2nd in ppg and 5th in scoring, mediocre defensively and has a lot of mights and coulds
Not sure that’s a Hart but I’ve been wrong before
Just when I thought the aggressive cherrypicking couldn't get worse... again, who cares what has happened in his lifetime? That's not a thing.
Except it's completely wrong because 60 > 56 and that happened as recently as 2012.
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I think there are some legit arguments for why Matthews might not win the Hart. But the arguments trotted out by un-objective haters (like these) are just comically bad.
If you want to judge Matthews' defence, look at the outcomes he can actually control. Like scoring chances or expected goals against. In looking at those metrics, he's actually one of the best Leafs forwards (behind only their shutdown line players). Unless your argument is that Matthews is personally coaching Campbell/Mrazek/Kallgren to let in hilariously terrible goals, the goals against argument just holds absolutely no water.
I also don't get why people are trying to poo-poo some of these feats he could achieve. Like "oh, it's not a true 50 in 50". This is something that hasn't been done in decades. It's clearly special. It's something most people thought simply wouldn't be possible in the modern era.
He's been a terrific player this season. Should he win? I say probably, but at the very least he should be in the mix. Some of these attempts to knock him down are just pathetic though.
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When did I say that is why he won’t win the Hart? You want to talk about being objective then at least be honest
He won’t win the Hart because he’s 5th in scoring and McDavid will put up 120+
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He has literally the worst on ice save % in the league while being on of the best defensive player in the league by every metric.
The fact that you’re even question his defense means you aren’t paying attention.
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every metric but total goals against, in which he is bottom 5 of all forwards lmfao
Why can’t he just be the games best goal scorer? You people are never satisfied unless this man is deified by everybody
You literally said his defensive prowess is a myth (which would obviously be a reason why he wouldn't win).
But your evaluation of his defensive ability is completely wrong.
Yeah, if your criteria is purely going by total points, then McDavid should win. You said Matthews' defence was a myth, but that is not true.
If you're going to judge Matthew's defensive ability purely by GA (which is what you're doing), you're essentially claiming that Matthews should be able to control the shots his goaltenders stop. This is just asinine.
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A reason. Not the reason. And it is a myth.
The criteria is most valuable player, which McDavid is as he is clearly the best player in the NHL lmfao
The Podium
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McDavid is putting up the most vanilla 120 point season of all time. Yes he’s the best player in the league, unfortunately he’ll lose due to voter fatigue. Matthews (goal scoring), Josi (D scoring) and Gaudreau (ES scoring) are having the most “special” seasons.
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Hahahaha okay I’ve officially seen it all, great post
