NHL.com Trophy Tracker - Hart Trophy

[Duffalufagus]

Oh dom from the athletic with his crayola crayon charts is your source. Now it makes sense.

Lol. Yes. I can’t stand people who do the work and back up their claims with actual evidence. I think I’ll just take your word for stuff from now on.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

What is this ice time thing. I read time after time. Matthews plays enough to get most beneficial minutes for him to make points. Draisaitl getting more minutes means most of time some tough minutes and he plays more than coaches really want to use some player. Those extra minutes most likely decreases his points/minutes even if he plays in same level, he would with lower amount of minutes and same time it's sometimes too much for him and lowers his quality of play. That's just stupid argument time after time to tell your golden boy is better.

Sound argument. Matthews would do nothing with an extra 10 - 15 games. Just like he couldn't handle 20 minutes. Or his raw totals weren't going to climb once he got them. It has to be frustrating for folks to watch their arguments over and over again fall apart with the simple, predictable addition of time.

 

[Yackiberg8]

I'm totally on team Josi for the Hart. With 84 points already he's having one of the greatest seasons by dman in decades. He might get over 100 points which has been last time done by Brian Leetch in 91-92! Last time any dman even got to 90 points was in 93-94 by Ray Bourque, almost 30 years ago!
Currently he leads all dmen by 9 points (Makar with 75p) and leads all Nashville players by 12 points (Duchene 72p). And Josi doesn't only get power play points as he leads all dmen in even strength points with 51 (2nd Makar with 46), although he also leads league in PP points by dman and is 4th among all skaters.

If Josi can keep up this pace and get Nashville into the playoffs (really tough schedule for the remaining 13 games..), I would definitely vote for him to win the Hart.

Shesterkin has been great and would be in my second vote. Gaudreau, Huberdeau, Matthews and McDavid would round out my top 6. Aho, Kaprizov and Ovechkin would be in the next tier of choises.

All of the Josi talk is said with the caveat “for a defenceman”. That is pretty telling.

 

[Dust]

ESPN poll of voters has

1. Matthews
2. Shesterkin
3. Huberdeau

Pretty surprised Huberdeau is in their nominations tbh.

Right now I would vote

1. Matthews
2. Gaudreau
3. McDavid

I'm mostly surprised that Shesterkin has closed the gap according to this article, all the while his play has fallen off a little bit.

 

[drktmplr12]

BUT


MUHHHH


CHARTSSSSSSSSS

 

[FinlandPanther]

Lol. Yes. I can’t stand people who do the work and back up their claims with actual evidence. I think I’ll just take your word for stuff from now on.

I can see how those extremely flawed crayola crayon chats meet your expectations. Now I get the delusional thoughts.

 

[Duffalufagus]

I can see how those extremely flawed crayola crayon chats meet your expectations. Now I get the delusional thoughts.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[zeroG]

ESPN poll of voters has

1. Matthews
2. Shesterkin
3. Huberdeau

Pretty surprised Huberdeau is in their nominations tbh.

Right now I would vote

1. Matthews
2. Gaudreau
3. McDavid

surprising? leading scorer - and pushing mcdavid nightly for the art ross - on a historically good offensive team that's fighting for the president's trophy? plays in all situations - among leaders in power play points and shorthanded goals. sets physical tone as well on many nights. +30.

yeah, that's a head-scratcher.

 

[beardawg]

I mean Roman Josi leads Nashville in scoring almost every year, including 2 years ago with margins this significant yet never got Hart consideration.

If the Hart was most valuable to team, Lidstrom should have at least one or a few Hart trophies.

The argument is that defencemen have their own award, same with goalies, which is why they favour forwards for the Hart usually.

I don’t think they should change the criteria for the Hart for you to feel satisfied by the voters. Keep it how it’s been routinely awarded, so that it’s consistent.

The award for best defenceman is the Norris, or they can even go for the Art Ross or Rocket if they want. The goalies get the Vezina. The Hart favours forwards and always has historically.

I understand what you're trying to say, but the definition of the award is quite literally "awarded annually to the player judged to be the most valuable to their team"

Hall won it in 2018 having finished 6th in League scoring. He was also a Lindsay nominee

The Lidstrom argument is null because it was tough for him to be the most valuable player to the Wings with guys like Zetterberg, Yzerman, Datsyuk and the Russian 5 around. Josi is the one elevating the play of his team here, not the other way around.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Lmao

Taylor hall says your wrong

 

[J bo Jeans]

I mean realistically if were looking at the definition of the award, Mcdavid wins every year. The Oilers don't sniff the playoffs if he isn't playing. The Leafs on the otherhand are easily a playoff team even if Matthews wouldnt have played the whole year.

 

[TomppaKoo]

Yes, Roman Josi is the most valuable player for his team by far, this year and should win it. Matthews maybe can make an argument for it, too with his ridiculous number of goals.

 

[triggrman]

I mean Roman Josi leads Nashville in scoring almost every year, including 2 years ago with margins this significant yet never got Hart consideration.

If the Hart was most valuable to team, Lidstrom should have at least one or a few Hart trophies.

The argument is that defencemen have their own award, same with goalies, which is why they favour forwards for the Hart usually.

I don’t think they should change the criteria for the Hart for you to feel satisfied by the voters. Keep it how it’s been routinely awarded, so that it’s consistent.

The award for best defenceman is the Norris, or they can even go for the Art Ross or Rocket if they want. The goalies get the Vezina. The Hart favours forwards and always has historically.

Because he wasn't putting up numbers that haven't been put up in 30 years, and only done by 4 different defensemen in NHL history.

 

[Plural]

The difference would be that Stamkos didn’t get 100 points and Tampa was a .500 team that missed the playoffs.

If Stamkos hit 100 points and Tampa won 10 more games that season, he probably would’ve won the Hart. But obviously, 10 extra team wins is a lot to ask for.

I don't know about that. Geno was so by and far the best player in the world that season. I think he played something like 75 games and scored 50 goals and 109 points.

I remember that season when Kessel led the league in points for a while. Then Malkin started his season and Kessel had about 30 point lead over him. People were saying that there's no chance Geno catches him. He did, faster than anyone thought possible. There's a fair argument to be made, that season Malkin presented us with the highest peak out of all forwards since Lemieux. I know OV is the popular (and mine too) choice. But I won't bend out of shape if someone thinks it's Malkin that season.

Stammers goal-campaign was great, good enough to win you the Hart many years. That year, it wasn't even close.

 

[shaner82]

I mean realistically if were looking at the definition of the award, Mcdavid wins every year. The Oilers don't sniff the playoffs if he isn't playing. The Leafs on the otherhand are easily a playoff team even if Matthews wouldnt have played the whole year.

Are they? Who's going to be their 1st line center? Tavaras? The guy is an average second line center these days. Marner isn't scoring all those goals if not for teams shadowing AM as much as they do. Marner and JT would still put up points, but nothing like Marner and AM. Then the 2nd line is going to be a disaster.

The Leafs are not nearly as good without AM.

 

[triggrman]

Let me be clear, I do not think Josi will even finish top 3, nor do I think he'll win the Norris.

Deserving to win, and actually winning are 2 different things, if they weren't, Shea Weber would have won a Norris.

 

[abo9]

All of the Josi talk is said with the caveat “for a defenceman”. That is pretty telling.

"for a defenseman" because pts and goals are inherently statistics that favour forwards lol and we dont have such b'ack and white stats for defensive impact.

Both Matthews and Josi are scoring at historic pace not seen in ~30 years. It's a tight race for the Hart.

I always think of the Hart has "which team would do worst if their mvp player was out". And between Matthews and Josi... not sure which one would be the biggest lost to their team

 

[DFF]

Take Gaudreau away from the Flames, and they are probably a lottery team

 

[DFF]

I mean realistically if were looking at the definition of the award, Mcdavid wins every year. The Oilers don't sniff the playoffs if he isn't playing. The Leafs on the otherhand are easily a playoff team even if Matthews wouldnt have played the whole year.

So Drai can’t carry a team?

 

[Mr Positive]

By the definition of the award, shouldn't the most important stat be the comparison of the team's performance with them on the ice, vs when they are off the ice? At the very least that should apply to comparing skaters.

I suspect the answer would be Josi

 

[J bo Jeans]

Are they? Who's going to be their 1st line center? Tavaras? The guy is an average second line center these days. Marner isn't scoring all those goals if not for teams shadowing AM as much as they do. Marner and JT would still put up points, but nothing like Marner and AM. Then the 2nd line is going to be a disaster.

The Leafs are not nearly as good without AM.

Without a doubt they're not as good without Matthews. But Mcdavid makes the Oilers a lot better than Matthews does the Leafs. And thats not a knock on Matthews more so a knock on the Oilers.

 

[Busher]

I don't know about that. Geno was so by and far the best player in the world that season. I think he played something like 75 games and scored 50 goals and 109 points.

I remember that season when Kessel led the league in points for a while. Then Malkin started his season and Kessel had about 30 point lead over him. People were saying that there's no chance Geno catches him. He did, faster than anyone thought possible. There's a fair argument to be made, that season Malkin presented us with the highest peak out of all forwards since Lemieux. I know OV is the popular (and mine too) choice. But I won't bend out of shape if someone thinks it's Malkin that season.

Stammers goal-campaign was great, good enough to win you the Hart many years. That year, it wasn't even close.

You may very well be right. Stamkos did appear to have a surge in just his last 10 games too, which is a little late to get into the voters’ minds.

It’s a moot point anyway, as he didn’t do all those things I’d mentioned. He didn’t get 100 points, and his team wasn’t 10 wins better.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Take Gaudreau away from the Flames, and they are probably a lottery team

I'm not so sure. Not taking anything away from him because he's had a great year...

But what if Sutter wasn't there?

 

[JustAHabFan]

MVP for a team: Roman Josi. He should win the Hart. He should 100% win the Norris. If the Norris went to Makar then something is wrong with the NHL.

 

[The Podium]

1/2. Matthews and Josi
3. Gaudreau

Johnny hockey needs some more love here. If not for the historic statistical seasons by Josi and Matthews I’d have him as the front runner.