GDT: NHL 24 Draft Combine June 3-8 NOT the trade, roster or KK thread

[Heffyhoof]

Chicago's going to be a playoff team and cup contender within two years at this rate.

...

I guess having their pick of top-tier dman prospect is just whatever. They're probably wishing they kept Dach I bet.

Wow, how did I know that first comment was a subtle dig at the Habs

 

[ReHabs]

If you could break down why then perhaps I may give your post some credibility. They have alot of work to do imo.

Bedard + [Dickinson] + Korchinski + Vlasic + Moore + Nazar + whomever else they draft

A lot of exciting players in or new the NHL and if they get Guentzel maybe they'll continue to their trajectory. Just like we rate eg. Guhle and Xhekaj, they rate Korchinski and Vlasic.

Wow, how did I know that first comment was a subtle dig at the Habs

Mostly bitter that we didn't get Bedard instead tbh. Nothing about the Habs. They tanked hard (eg sold early on Kirby Dach and DeBrindcat)... I'll be annoyed if they get back up before us... Bedard+Dickinson is a hell of a foundation.

 

[Tyson]

Bedard + [Dickinson] + Korochinski + Vlasic + Moore + Nazar + whomever else they draft

A lot of exciting players in or new the NHL and if they get Guentzel maybe they'll continue to their trajectory. Just like we rate eg. Guhle and Xhekaj, they rate Korochinski and Vlasic.


Mostly bitter that we didn't get Bedard instead tbh. Nothing about the Habs. They tanked hard, I'll be annoyed if they get back up before us... Bedard+Dickinson is a hell of a foundation.

Other than Bedard and maybe a couple of young Dmen they have bare cupboards and no way they are that close to being a playoff team. Gajan is 3 years away minimum.

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[McGees]

“Cole Eiserman only does what Cole Eiserman does and that’s put the puck in the back of the net so if you wanna see Cole Eiserman get some assists you better clone Cole Eiserman so that Cole Eiserman has someone to pass to. “

- Cole Eiserman Combine interview

 

[ReHabs]

Other than Bedard and maybe a couple of young Dmen they have bare cupboards and no way they are that close to being a playoff team. Gajan is 3 years away minimum.

Who cares about Gajan? If Bedard develops as we all know he will, he's going to be PPG next year. Add a top-tier d-prospect like Dickinson and a underrated prosect like Nazar (who is at least as hyped as Caufield was before last season started) and you suddenly start seeing the nucleus of a high-potential team. Then there's Moore, a better forward prosect than the Habs have, and so on.

Other than Seth Jones they have no other bad long-term contracts and therefore ton of cap space. Next year they can sell pending UFA Taylor Hall like we did Sean Monahan. They'll have an attractive city, a star young phenom C, a star d-man, and a very recent history of being a top franchise. Two years is a long time. I think in for 26-27 season they'll be a destination team and looking to make a splash in the playoffs.

 

[Kents polished head]

I have a very tough time figuring a scenario where Timmins does not jump on this guy with a raging boner.

This freaking rat is going to pick him you can just feel it.

 

[Tyson]

Who cares about Gajan? If Bedard develops as we all know he will, he's going to be PPG next year. Add a top-tier d-prospect like Dickinson and a underrated prosect like Nazar (who is at least as hyped as Caufield was before last season started) and you suddenly start seeing the nucleus of a high-potential team. Then there's Moore, a better forward prosect than the Habs have, and so on.

Other than Seth Jones they have no other bad long-term contracts and therefore ton of cap space. Next year they can sell pending UFA Taylor Hall like we did Sean Monahan. They'll have an attractive city, a star young phenom C, a star d-man, and a very recent history of being a top franchise. Two years is a long time. I think in for 26-27 season they'll be a destination team and looking to make a splash in the playoffs.

Anything is possible but unless they delve deep into acquiring significant free agents it won't happen as quick as you say. Habs are light years ahead of these guys in every way other than having a talent like Bedard. I know you hate that because let's face it...and be honest...you f***ing hate the Habs. I often wonder why you post here.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm honestly baffled that Sennecke somehow became an acceptable top 5 pick in the last 2 weeks because some people on this board kept hammering his name and a cuckoo like McGagg loves him.

All the serious rankings right now have him outside of the top 10, with the majority having him at #14 or #15.

He's literally closer to a #20 pick than a #5 pick.

Yet, here we are...

Players rise in the eyes of scouts far before they rise in the public view. This has always been the case. Moritz Seider was never seen publically as an option at 5, yet he was for NHL teams and that turned out to be right. No one on this board or anywhere else likes Grant McCagg, bro, come on. We clowned him out of this board a few years ago.

Pronman just had him at 7. Bob's list had 3 NHL TEAMS with him in the top 10 with one in the top 5. He's closer to 5 than a 20th pick.

Sennecke simply is not a top 5 pick and would be one very bad case of "drafting for needs" that everyone used to hate so much.

Shameful.

No, he's the case of when players are on an insane development curve, teams take notice. It's acceptable to take Tij Iginla but it's not for Sennecke, why?

The only answer you would have is that you heard Iginla's name EARLIER so you're not socialized to the idea enough to be comfortable with it. Yet no NHL teams had Iginla in their top 5, but one had Sennecke there, they were split by one spot on Bob's list.

We ALL know that if Lindstrom and/or Demidov are there, they are taking one of them. We also all know that there isn't even a consensus at 2 in this draft, and that there are many names with rankings in and outside of the top 10. This isn't a consensus draft, it will come down to the individual beliefs, qualities, needs and scouting principles of the teams selecting as to who goes where.

If you want a homerun pick go Eiserman. If he hits you get a 55-60 goal guy.

Sennecke is 100% drafting for needs because the team don't want a defenseman or another small guy.

Eiserman is falling.. picking Eiserman at 5 would be an insane pick at this point, and would be for 'needs' the same way because the team don't want a defenseman or another small perimeter shooter.

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It reminds me of the Lekkerimaki story mainly cause there's was a whole lot of hype based on a story about Habs taking him out to dinner but he was not really an option as 1st overall, he was just not the best player available but some put him there none the less because of the noises. Then came the rumors about the Habs calling every teams in the top 10 to get another pick to draft him.....Habs ended up with the 13th with Lekkerimaki available and they traded it for Dach.

I think Sennecke is the same thing. Whole lot of noises based on a story/rumor about Habs liking him and some wants to push him a little bit higher than he should be. Most has him top 10-15. Sure if we look at forward only maybe, but as BPA....there will just be better option at 5.

He was 14th on the last McKenzie report from scouts......

No the Sennecke thing is that he was 5'10 and hit a growth spurt this summer and into training camp where he is now somewhere around 6'3" and has small man skills in a large man's frame. It's on the fact that as he got used to that insane growth spurt, his offensive tools started to take off and his production took off to the point he was the best player in the OHL playoffs until his injury happened.

There will be a better option at 5 because Lindstrom or Demidov should be there, in the chance they are not, then he is the best forward option at that slot. He has the most top 5 votes on Bobs list of any forward not named Celebrini, Lindstrom and Demidov.

Tcchhhhht. The great sages will say you should be ok with this pick and that if you have a problem with it you should have a problem picking Demidov too.

Cope harder, bud.

But apparently, the Habs want Demidov unlike Michkov, but that means he won't be available...

I wouldn't be so sure.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799090009829445793

Have to think if they land Guentzel their priority will be to select a defenseman.

It is, the winds are blowing to Levshunov.

Blake Wheeler was also ranked 17th by Central Scouting (NA skaters) before the 2004 NHL Draft and was picked 5th overall.....He has almost 1000 points in his career and is 3rd in scoring for that draft only behind Ovechkin and Malkin.

I'm not saying that this will be the case with Sennecke, but rankings are just rankings and if you like a player and his tools and you think he will be the best players eventually (with what's available), you just go for it.

Having said all that, I still prefer Lindstrom and Demidov.

The team would prefer those two too unless Lindstrom's medicals are a mess.

Wheeler and Scheifele are two great examples.

 

[Kents polished head]

Cope harder, bud.

Coping on what?

You once said Brad Marchand was a glorified grinder and that Patrick Berglund was a better pick than Claude Giroux like 4 years after the fact

Every single person in this board has been wrong a huge number of times, myself included. So yeah, you guys should maybe try and stop with the attitude.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Bedard + [Dickinson] + Korchinski + Vlasic + Moore + Nazar + whomever else they draft

A lot of exciting players in or new the NHL and if they get Guentzel maybe they'll continue to their trajectory. Just like we rate eg. Guhle and Xhekaj, they rate Korchinski and Vlasic.


Mostly bitter that we didn't get Bedard instead tbh. Nothing about the Habs. They tanked hard (eg sold early on Kirby Dach and DeBrindcat)... I'll be annoyed if they get back up before us... Bedard+Dickinson is a hell of a foundation.

True, but a lot of that can be washed away this draft with a top-end forward. Either by drafting one or by trading away an excess d-man after picking one, I fully expect at least one top-6 player or prospect added, preferably two.

 

[Sorinth]

Who cares about Gajan? If Bedard develops as we all know he will, he's going to be PPG next year. Add a top-tier d-prospect like Dickinson and a underrated prosect like Nazar (who is at least as hyped as Caufield was before last season started) and you suddenly start seeing the nucleus of a high-potential team. Then there's Moore, a better forward prosect than the Habs have, and so on.

Other than Seth Jones they have no other bad long-term contracts and therefore ton of cap space. Next year they can sell pending UFA Taylor Hall like we did Sean Monahan. They'll have an attractive city, a star young phenom C, a star d-man, and a very recent history of being a top franchise. Two years is a long time. I think in for 26-27 season they'll be a destination team and looking to make a splash in the playoffs.

It would all depend on what trades/signings they do. Just looking at their prospects they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Just look at how long it took Edmonton to actually become a real contender, or how Ottawa had like 3 ppg players a couple years ago and still couldn't make the playoffs.

But they likely will be somewhat attractive to players so it's certainly possible with smart acquisitions they could rebuild somewhat quickly. But I'm not sure they are actually all that much of a destination team in the same vein as the Florida, California teams or the NYR are a destination.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Coping on what?

You once said Brad Marchand was a glorified grinder and that Patrick Berglund was a better pick than Claude Giroux like 4 years after the fact

Every single person in this board has been wrong a huge number of times, myself included. So yeah, you guys should maybe try and stop with the attitude.

Yeah I get a lot of shit wrong.

I also really liked Adam Boqvist and would have taken him at 3.

I also loved Wahlstrom and wanted nothing to do with Brady Tkachuk.

I can tell you all the terrible draft takes I've had.

I'm not even on the take Sennecke train, I just like him more than Iginla and I would take Catton over him but they're not going to take him.

I'm not gonna get wissy over the fact that someone pointed out the obvious flaw in my argument and then bring it up in a passive aggressive way in a comment to another poster.

 

[Tyson]

Being an absolute amateur when it comes to ranking and knowing prospects I will say this- Bob Mckenzie said that after the clear cut # one pick you can interchange the next dozen picks as there are no clear cut players that stand out over each other. I hear Demidov might be a clear cut #2 but how do we really know since he has played in the MHL and not the KHL? If the Habs have Sennecke rated higher than who am I to think otherwise?

 

[bcv]

So yeah, you guys should maybe try and stop with the attitude.

 

[ReHabs]

Anything is possible but unless they delve deep into acquiring significant free agents it won't happen as quick as you say. Habs are light years ahead of these guys in every way other than having a talent like Bedard. I know you hate that because let's face it...and be honest...you f***ing hate the Habs. I often wonder why you post here.

Guentzel is a significant free agent, right? I wouldn't call the Habs light years ahead of anyone right now but maybe that's because I "f***ing hate the Habs."

Can Hutson be the 1 or 2 D? Can Reinbacher? They have as good a shot as any of CHI's top prospects filling their roles. So I like to apply the same standards both ways. I think Korchinski + Bedard + [Dickinson] is easily the better foundation over than Slafkovsky + Reinbacher + [5OA] and it has everything to do with Bedard. It's not a slight against the Habs to think Bedard is a phenom.

 

[MD thaivuN]

“Cole Eiserman only does what Cole Eiserman does and that’s put the puck in the back of the net so if you wanna see Cole Eiserman get some assists you better clone Cole Eiserman so that Cole Eiserman has someone to pass to. “

- Cole Eiserman Combine interview

pfft Cole Eiserman #1 would probably just ignore Cole Eiserman #2 and shoot it

 

[WeThreeKings]

Being an absolute amateur when it comes to ranking and knowing prospects I will say this- Bob Mckenzie said that after the clear cut # one pick you can interchange the next dozen picks as there are no clear cut players that stand out over each other. I hear Demidov might be a clear cut #2 but how do we really know since he has played in the MHL and not the KHL? If the Habs have Sennecke rated higher than who am I to think otherwise?

They don't, I think it's pretty clear from everyone around the organization that Demidov is their guy. Sennecke enters the conversation if Lindstrom's back isn't good or Demidov goes in the top 4 and Lindstrom does as well.

Being really high on a prospect doesn't mean you will select him no matter what and I think that's the issue we are seeing here. They are preparing for every eventuality that could happen in a draft that is not predictable.

Last year they knew the top 4 picks were going to be a combination of those 4 players with Bedard at 1, if Fantilli went 2, Carlsson was going 3, Smith was going to go to SJS.. that was it.

There is no certainty yet at this point that anyone is sticking their flag in the ground and knowing what will happen, it does look increasingly like both Levshunov and Silayev WILL go in the top 4, but that was predicated off Chicago going Demidov at 2, Ana going Levshunov and CBJ going Silayev.. if Levshunov goes 2 that might change what Anaheim does or CBJ does and then Anaheim goes Lindstrom and CBJ goes Demidov.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Comparing Sennecke to Kotkaniemi is so lazy and just outs anyone as not having watched or even attempted to get to know what Sennecke is and could be.

Here's some other "late risers" or "reaches" - Blake Wheeler, Moritz Seider, Juraj Slafkovsky, Ryan Johansen, and Mark Scheifele.

@Mrb1p said he watched 20 games and compared him to Benoit Pouliot

Concerning

 

[The Last Red]

I think it's pretty clear from everyone around the organization that Demidov is their guy.

Who are these "everyone around the organization" that you refer to?

 

[ReHabs]

True, but a lot of that can be washed away this draft with a top-end forward. Either by drafting one or by trading away an excess d-man after picking one, I fully expect at least one top-6 player or prospect added, preferably two.

I also want a top6 NHLer and a top-tier prospect added. I was high on any of Zegras/Laine/Necas just like I was high on PLD and Fiala before them. I think the team would improve big time with the quick addition of talent at forward. Newhook's 0.5ppg (and Dach's 2gp/year, sadly) isn't going to cut it, we need to add talent to the forward corps and I'm certain that suddenly our team will look a lot closer.

It would all depend on what trades/signings they do. Just looking at their prospects they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Just look at how long it took Edmonton to actually become a real contender, or how Ottawa had like 3 ppg players a couple years ago and still couldn't make the playoffs.

But they likely will be somewhat attractive to players so it's certainly possible with smart acquisitions they could rebuild somewhat quickly. But I'm not sure they are actually all that much of a destination team in the same vein as the Florida, California teams or the NYR are a destination.

Bedardickinson solves a lot of problems, imo. If they hit on Moore and Nazar, they'll have an easier time going forward since they have Korchinski and Vlasic looking good on the back end. It's not a competition with the Habs, in any case.

 

[Balthazar]

It's acceptable to take Tij Iginla but it's not for Sennecke, why?

Neither is acceptable because one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Dickison or Levshunov will be available.

The truth is you can find wingers like Iginla and Sennecke in the 10-20 range of any draft. Assuming the team takes a step forward then next year should be a good year to draft a winger. If the Habs need a top 6 wing right now just make a trade or sign one, don't waste a top 5 pick.

I'm confident that the'll do the right thing though. They proved last year that they understand the value of position.

 

[SlafySZN]

Neither is acceptable because one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Dickison or Levshunov will be available.

The truth is you can find wingers like Iginla and Sennecke in the 10-20 range of any draft. Assuming the team takes a step forward then next year should be a good year to draft a winger. If the Habs need a top 6 wing right now just make a trade or sign one, don't waste a top 5 pick.

I'm confident that the'll do the right thing though. They proved last year that they understand the value of position.

You don’t find a Sennecke every year, no.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Neither is acceptable because one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Dickison or Levshunov will be available.

The truth is you can find wingers like Iginla and Sennecke in the 10-20 range of any draft. Assuming the team takes a step forward then next year should be a good year to draft a winger. If the Habs need a top 6 wing right now just make a trade or sign one, don't waste a top 5 pick.

I'm confident that the'll do the right thing though. They proved last year that they understand the value of position.

They're not taking Dickinson, that's clear that they are happy with their LD compared to the LD that are available in this draft. So there is a scenario where the 4 acceptable options are gone, and Dickinson isn't going to be picked, at that point there HAS to be someone next in line.

I do agree that you can find wingers like Iginla in the 10-20 of most drafts.. but Sennecke? He's 6'3+ with incredible hands and loud offensive tools. That doesn't come around often, like think about the NHL and how many of those guys are out there? He's a rare profile and his upward trajectory would be catnip to teams.

I would say not to worry about it that much, we are in an excellent spot to get Demidov/Lindstrom.. it's just if things change, they have to pick someone and the LD isn't the option and Sennecke is rising, that profile is something they would value and we have a great development team to take that on.

A top 6 including the skill and size of Slaf, Dach and Sennecke would be tantalizing.

 

[HuGort]

They're not taking Dickinson, that's clear that they are happy with their LD compared to the LD that are available in this draft. So there is a scenario where the 4 acceptable options are gone, and Dickinson isn't going to be picked, at that point there HAS to be someone next in line.

I do agree that you can find wingers like Iginla in the 10-20 of most drafts.. but Sennecke? He's 6'3+ with incredible hands and loud offensive tools. That doesn't come around often, like think about the NHL and how many of those guys are out there? He's a rare profile and his upward trajectory would be catnip to teams.

I would say not to worry about it that much, we are in an excellent spot to get Demidov/Lindstrom.. it's just if things change, they have to pick someone and the LD isn't the option and Sennecke is rising, that profile is something they would value and we have a great development team to take that on.

A top 6 including the skill and size of Slaf, Dach and Sennecke would be tantalizing.

Concussion issue concern with Sennecke. High risk for 5. Especially with Dach injury prone.