GDT: NHL 24 Draft Combine June 3-8 NOT the trade, roster or KK thread

[Habs Halifax]

Late Riser is simply not synonymous with being a Reach. If a player gets picked close to where they are predicted to go by the most accurate list out there then the team making that pick isn't reaching for the player. It's a false narrative to say Kotkaniemi was a reach, he wasn't. If you had a better personal draft ranking then good for you, but it's irrelevant to whether he was a reach or not.

It's not just a later riser being a reach though. I talked about this and the other parts of their overall resume.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Maybe they put too much weight on the position that he played but ultimately, it was just bad evaluation.

If they have Sennecke 5th on their list, why would it be a reach?
Because they don't agree with your evaluation?

No, because nobody has Sennecke in the top 5. Not on any credible list. I do think Sennecke is a top 6F though.

 

[Treb]

Not a decisive statement though. It's going on probability. I remember watching a video right after we hired Gorton. He was talking to his Rangers scouts and said... "Come on guys, They won't all turn into what the ceilings projection says. It can't be. There is not that much talent that comes from each draft, you need to tell me who the can't miss guys are"

Will there be 4-6 or 6+ hits in this draft? When I talk hits, I'm talking about legit top pairing or top line forward talents. I'm sure there are plenty of top 6F and top 4D in this top 13 though.

My money would be put on 4-6 real hits. Top paring or top line forward talent. I see an equal chance of the guys on D turning into top pairing as it is with the forwards.

My BPA's at 5 are one of Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom. I think Dickinson gets taken before us but not sure with Demidov. Call me crazy but I'm seriously considering Iggy over Demidov (if he slips).

So you mean homeruns.

There is absolutely value in us moving in the top 14 if the price is right.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So you mean homeruns.

There is absolutely value in us moving in the top 14 if the price is right.

Yes, I see a lot of top 6F and top 4D quality but when it comes to the homeruns (top pairing or top line F), there won't be 6+ guys. Anything is possible but I'm going with probability.

I'm shooting for the player who has stable top 4D value or stable top 6F value but with a real shot at being the home run. Slaf was a pick like this. Those guys in this draft for me are Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom with Buium neck/neck with Lindstrom as the 5th wheel to that waive. With the others, I see less chance of a home run but hey, I'm not a scout and it's my guesses.

Not sure who is going to bust/disappoint but I do see lots of top 6F and top 4D quality. As pretender scouts, we need to try to find the one who is a home run. I'm not afraid one bit to draft a forward at 5.

 

[Deus ex machina]

No, because nobody has Sennecke in the top 5. Not on any credible list. I do think Sennecke is a top 6F though.

You mean the credible lists with 4-6 hits in the top 13 on them?

So the reach is relative to the consensus lists after all. You're a bit difficult to follow.

BTW, Mackenzie had one team with Sennecke at 5 on his census, but that's beside the point.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Weird that it's not the first thing they do lol.

They are waiting for Catton and Demidov to grow an inche or two.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You mean the credible lists with 4-6 hits in the top 13 on them?

So the reach is relative to the consensus lists after all. You're a bit difficult to follow.

BTW, Mackenzie had one team with Sennecke at 5 on his census, but that's beside the point.

Yes, credible lists. The 4-6 hits (home run hits) in the top 13 is another conversation you are trying to connect. Sorry but Sennecke would be a reach for me taking him 5th. I don't have him on my potential home run list. I do have him on the top 6F list though. Hence why most have him ranked 10+

 

[Habs Halifax]

What's interesting is that Reinbacher was ranked as low as 22OA on some lists at the eve of the 2023 Entry Draft. While he may be a very good pick, it's much more reasonable to call him a reach than to call Kotkaniemi a reach. God I hope we don't talk about Reinbacher like we talk about Kotkaniemi though.

Both Reinbacher and KK were movers as the season moved along. I don't recall too many having Reinbacher 22nd and if they did, I would question if they are credible. I believe Bob had him 8th pre draft.

The reach narrative is more deeper than the late riser conversation. With Reinbacher, do you see any skating issues like KK had? Do you see Reinbacher falling on his ass? Do you see talks about him needing to get physically stronger like it was with KK?

Reinbacher was not my pick (I wanted Michkov) but I understand why they picked him. Big mobile RD who works hard and has great skating. I don't see top paring quality but I see a solid top 4RD which is rare to acquire.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Interesting piece about the work done by 11 scouts (amateur and European) for one NHL team, likely most heading to the combine.

The bad news, they’re Sens scouts. The good news, maybe try and poach one.

On the average they watch 200-300 games (in person viewings) a year and will log in a ton of miles, some even more depending on regions.

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https://x.com/i/web/status/1797984149212713004

Amateurs indeed.


People here watch all the Habs games, rocket and then a shit ton of games in all 3 CHL leagues, NCAA, BCHL, USHL, MHL/KHL, SEL, FEL,extraliga and a bunch of other leagues. They're not lying, I swear !

 

[WeThreeKings]

First bet of news:

• Habs are one of 15 teams to interview Raoul Boilard.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

First bet of news:

• Habs are one of 15 teams to interview Raoul Boilard.

Wouldn't hate him at 58

 

[WeThreeKings]

Wouldn't hate him at 58

Yeah he's right in that range for me.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yeah he's right in that range for me.

Him and Bednarik are pretty much even for me. Possible Eller upside for him.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

First bet of news:

• Habs are one of 15 teams to interview Raoul Boilard.

He's defiitely a late second candidate. Him and Poirier, there's legit upside in both case. Boilard with the late second and Poirier with the early third would be a nice haul.

 

[Vachon23]

First bet of news:

• Habs are one of 15 teams to interview Raoul Boilard.

Great news ! We need depth in our center prospect pool especially with size and and I would be really surprise if he doesn’t play in the NHL

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So , who are the studs and who are the scrawny weaklings

Edit : KK wasn't even a reach what are we talking about here

 

[Treb]

People... This is the combine thread. I will threadban your ass if you continue to derail.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Come on boys, get with the program, this is the combine thread, I wanna hear about manly man, muscles and beef . How big are they and how many reps can they do. Proteins and testosterone only ! Take the weak stuff someplace else

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Come on boys, get with the program, this is the combine thread, I wanna hear about manly man, muscles and beef . How big are they and how many reps can they do. Proteins and testosterone only ! Take the weak stuff someplace else

Okay okay. Hey did I ever tell you about meeting Kris Letang in a snowstorm?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Okay okay. Hey did I ever tell you about meeting Kris Letang in a snowstorm?

The fun kind of snow storm or the kind with actual snow?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I really don't understand the logic behind not inviting guys whose biggest question marks are physicality (Swanson, Poirier) to the combine where they can SHOW where they're at physically.

No matter how many Gaudreaus or Stankovens we get it seems like the league never learns.

 

[sampollock]

People... This is the combine thread. I will threadban your ass if you continue to derail.

awesome!!!!


need more reports on who the habs interviewed and updates on the size of these young guns

 

[morhilane]

I really don't understand the logic behind not inviting guys whose biggest question marks are physicality (Swanson, Poirier) to the combine where they can SHOW where they're at physically.

No matter how many Gaudreaus or Stankovens we get it seems like the league never learns.

The invites are based on the NHL central scouting lists. They only invite about ~100 players starting from their 4 lists (NA skaters/EU skaters/NA goalies/EU goalies).

On the NA list, Alexis Bernier was the last one to make it from what I could see and he's #62 on the NA list. Poirier is 82, Swanson 152 on the NA list.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The invites are based on the NHL central scouting lists. They only invite about ~100 players starting from their 4 lists (NA skaters/EU skaters/NA goalies/EU goalies).

On the NA list, Alexis Bernier was the last one to make it from what I could see and he's #62 on the NA list. Poirier is 82, Swanson 152 on the NA list.

NHL teams can specifically request attendees, as well.

Looks like no NHL teams liked those guys enough to worry about it. We should be able to get Poirier with a late 3rd or a 4th round pick.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

The invites are based on the NHL central scouting lists. They only invite about ~100 players starting from their 4 lists (NA skaters/EU skaters/NA goalies/EU goalies).

On the NA list, Alexis Bernier was the last one to make it from what I could see and he's #62 on the NA list. Poirier is 82, Swanson 152 on the NA list.

Their lists are horrendous. Poirier is a first round talent, I'm not sure I'd even draft a guy like Woolley.