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authentic said:
This 15m stuff is not happening if the Leafs don't win the Cup. If they don't make it out of the first round I would be comfortable telling him to take the same amount of money or move on.
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Well, I think if he isn't leading the team on deep playoff runs, winning more awards and putting up glamorous numbers that $15 million mark is going to be hard for any team to shell out. Toronto remains the front runner because whatever raise he wants is going to be incrementally a smaller % of what he makes right now vs carving out $12-15 million in one offseason.
 
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I think they trade Matthews before July 1st because he tells them he’s not re-signing and they give Willy 8x$8.5M and Marner re-signs for 8x$11 M the year after.
 
It's going to be very interesting how the big 3 contracts play out this time around. I hope they've learned their lessons and will show a little more concern for winning this time. I was quite disappointed in their demands and comparisons they used for negotiations. Nylander used Draisaitl as his comp, Matthews used McDavid, and Marner used Matthews. None of those comparisons turned out to be correct. All 3 contracts ended up being higher than we anticipated, and were out of line with similar players around the league. If Edmonton and Winnipeg don't have to pay their players a premium, neither should Toronto. I gave the players a bit of a pass because my theory was they felt traumatized by Babcock and wanted to be compensated for that, but I believe that less today. I don't think Dubas (or his replacement) will be giving them above market contracts this time round. Matthews and Marner hardly even merit a raise from where they're currently at, since they received UFA type contracts as RFA's. Not gonna lie, I'm still slightly bitter over this, it's prevented me purchasing any of these players jerseys. Not so much out of spite, just that they didn't seem loyal to Toronto and may bolt first chance they got.
 
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iiiiiif we ever traded Matthews, he would still hold cards as any decent return would be based on an extension. Regardless if he’d achieved the NMC.

I think it’ll be a non issue tho. We will pay him. He’s our #1 c. Who else?

Marner also needs to be locked up. Get in these guys heads and figure out what they want. That’ll dictate what we have for Willy etc.

A cheap O’Reilly extension would also help free up some cash, but don’t blame him for not committing until he sees how the season goes.
 
TML Dynasty said:
iiiiiif we ever traded Matthews, he would still hold cards as any decent return would be based on an extension. Regardless if he’d achieved the NMC.

I think it’ll be a non issue tho. We will pay him. He’s our #1 c. Who else?

Marner also needs to be locked up. Get in these guys heads and figure out what they want. That’ll dictate what we have for Willy etc.

A cheap O’Reilly extension would also help free up some cash, but don’t blame him for not committing until he sees how the season goes.
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Yeah I think there’s a few factors at play.

Whatever the dollar amount Matthews settles on, he’s:

a) no longer the unblemished 21 year old with unlimited potential as when he first re-signed. This current contract shows us what his upside is, which is massive, but also a spotty playoff record. So it’s not pure potential but also reputation good and not so good.

b) we’re not choosing between an overpaid Matthews vs another Matthews replacement who makes less money or takes up a more team friendly cap hit. So you basically have to bite the bullet or you commit to massive (probably unwanted) changes.

c) whatever Matthews ends up with, Toronto has the easiest path to giving him the small % raise on what he currently makes than Team X who has to throw some massive contracts overboard to make fit.
 
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TML Dynasty said:
iiiiiif we ever traded Matthews, he would still hold cards as any decent return would be based on an extension. Regardless if he’d achieved the NMC.

I think it’ll be a non issue tho. We will pay him. He’s our #1 c. Who else?

Marner also needs to be locked up. Get in these guys heads and figure out what they want. That’ll dictate what we have for Willy etc.

A cheap O’Reilly extension would also help free up some cash, but don’t blame him for not committing until he sees how the season goes.
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When the Leafs move him it will be somewhere someone wants him and is willing to pay him, people here act like the Leafs get nothing back in a trade of a high line asset.

They'll get an up and coming centre, some 1sts and some A+ prospects with what the Leafs already have in the fold and IF Morgan Reilly ever finds his mojo again, we remain a very good team
Larcos_Unal said:
Tavares at 7.5 holy shit bro, he can barely skate now imagine in 4 years???
$5m is the most I'd give him and it would be 2 year deals max
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It's what he'll want it's never about what you want to pay the player, he does have two years left and if they're both seasons where he hangs around a point a game 5m ain't gonna do it

and yeah near the end of shifts he's not moving too quick, but neither are Bergeron, Marchand or our 11.6m dollar man, honestly you don't get to a point a game in this league if you can't skate, it is impossible! If it were than guys like me would've had a shot, and I was good enough to play OHA Jr.B, but my skating held me back from taking the next step.
 
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Yeah
therealkoho said:
When the Leafs move him it will be somewhere someone wants him and is willing to pay him, people here act like the Leafs get nothing back in a trade of a high line asset.

They'll get an up and coming centre, some 1sts and some A+ prospects with what the Leafs already have in the fold and IF Morgan Reilly ever finds his mojo again, we remain a very good team


It's what he'll want it's never about what you want to pay the player, he does have two years left and if they're both seasons where he hangs around a point a game 5m ain't gonna do it

and yeah near the end of shifts he's not moving too quick, but neither are Bergeron, Marchand or our 11.6m dollar man, honestly you don't get to a point a game in this league if you can't skate, it is impossible! If it were then guys like me would've had a shot, and I was good enough to play OHA Jr.B, but my skating held me back from taking the next step.
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Sure. But Matthews will have to want to sign an extension there or I can’t see us getting that package for a year. Don’t want a rental return if we trade him. And to be clear I don’t want to trade him unless his demand are ridiculous
 
Trade both and retool.
Sign O'Reilly to a long term (4-5yr)
Start next season with Tavares-OReilly-Marner as the top line to bridge the retool.
 
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Would not worry about there contracts at this time - a lot can chance between now and then

Would be interesting to see the cap hit at that time
 
TMLife17 said:
14x5 for AM
12.5x5 for MM
10x6 for WN
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Anybody that wants to extend the guys, With raises no less, Is more than happy with the current team and while no playoff success does suck, it’s not a big deal. We’ve traded away a lot of 1sts over the past couple of years so it would be unntrealistic hoping to get a star from the draft. Expecting different results with the same group again is also unrealistic.
 
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Confucius said:
Anybody that wants to extend the guys, With raises no less, Is more than happy with the current team and while no playoff success does suck, it’s not a big deal. We’ve traded away a lot of 1sts over the past couple of years so it would be unntrealistic hoping to get a star from the draft. Expecting different results with the same group again is also unrealistic.
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Pretty simplistic way to look at it.

While those are the 3 best guys it takes much more than 3 guys to be successful, this isn't the NBA.
 
Confucius said:
Anybody that wants to extend the guys, With raises no less, Is more than happy with the current team and while no playoff success does suck, it’s not a big deal. We’ve traded away a lot of 1sts over the past couple of years so it would be unntrealistic hoping to get a star from the draft. Expecting different results with the same group again is also unrealistic.
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Mario Lemieux missed the playoffs his first 4 years and his 6th year. They won the cup in his 7th year.
You're right....the penguins should never have expected that.
 
Matthews is certainly making a case this season to not be the highest paid player in the league, but I think he still will.

13.4m x 8 for Matthews is my guess, but he really shouldn't be signed for much more than Mackinnon's 12.6m x 8, if at all.

Nylander should be somewhere between 8.5m-9.5m x 8 years; I think he reaches for more than 10m per but ends up with 9.5m x 8 years
 
If you sign Matthews & Nylander to inflated contracts then you're running into the same cap crunch problems. Dubas was dumb enough to sign Matthews to a 5 year deal so this entire situation is on him.
Trade one or both (preferably both).
 
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