JimmyG89
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Next Possible Rangers Coach
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
haveandare
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Wilson has developed a lot from where he was though.
GeorgeKaplan
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It’s not that he’d get fired, his contract is up and him and the GM haven’t talked about extensions once all year
Mac n Gs
Drury plz
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Yeah, that. Do they think Rierden is better than Trotz? They can’t dick around with their coach when their window is only open so much longer.
Trotz is basically your standard NHL vet coach with a pretty good resume. He'll latch on to vets that he loves for no reason at all and who are actually pretty bad and he'll give them a long leash, he'll give certain young players a super short leash, and he's generally a pretty decent coach with some 'old school' tendencies for better or worse.
I'd expect to see some prospects kind of singled out and benched/scratched a lot for no reason we can see, and some guys who do fine, and some vets who get way too much leash.
Basically...just like AV did while he was here. You can pretty much say exactly the same things about Trotz as you can about AV when it comes to developing guys. Is he a better coach? Yeah maybe. Is the the best coach for this teams current situation? Maybe, maybe not.
I'd expect to see some prospects kind of singled out and benched/scratched a lot for no reason we can see, and some guys who do fine, and some vets who get way too much leash.
Basically...just like AV did while he was here. You can pretty much say exactly the same things about Trotz as you can about AV when it comes to developing guys. Is he a better coach? Yeah maybe. Is the the best coach for this teams current situation? Maybe, maybe not.
Richard Banger
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Irishguy42
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Game 1 of the AHL ECF btw the Phantoms and Marlies begins on the 19th (Saturday) and now it becomes a Best of 7, instead of Bo5 like the previous two rounds.
So...earliest that series can end is Friday the 25th, if the Phantoms sweep, and the latest is May 30th, if the Phantoms win the series 4-3.
If the Marlies win the series...no dates for the Cup finals have been set yet.
Richard Banger
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Mac n Gs
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Since he's been mentioned here before, Rierden also was with Tony Granato on Disco Dan's Pittsburgh teams (after the Cup). Rierden only has that one full year coaching WBS, so I'm not sure if he'd meet Gorton's criteria for the next coach (if we even truly know what it is). The guy that still makes a ton of sense to me is Benoit Groulx.
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I’m torn on Trotz as a coach, but regardless, I don’t think he’s a good fit timing wise here even if he became available. He’s more of the next coach we get kind of guy.
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Trotz is a good coach. I think a lot of the concern with him is that he appears old but he's only 55. It will be interesting if the Caps retain him if they make the SCF or win the entire thing.
I agree with Groulx being a real dark horse in this. I'd like to know that even if he doesn't get the job they at least made the attempt to interview him for it, but with no information coming from the team it's hard to say whether they even do.
Very good read, I recommend everyone to read it:
'I think I've had enough': Inside ex-Stars coach Ken Hitchcock's decision to retire and take consultant role
Some excerpts......“The biggest difference is that when I started [in the NHL] in the ‘90s and 2000s, it was all about preparation. Now it’s all about post-game review and keeping the train on the tracks," he said. “You could afford a bad two weeks back then. Not now. Too many good teams. It’s all about that review and keeping that train moving."...............Hitchcock said the biggest challenge for the new coach is connecting with the leaders of the team, not so much interacting with the entire team. “It’s the partnership you forge between the leaders and you that dictates your success level here," he said. “The reason you need that partnership is you don’t spend a lot of time on a casual basis with players in the NHL. There’s too many games, too few practices. It’s not like college or juniors."................ “The players spend all the time together. And it’s the leaders that set the tone with the entire team."
I think Hitch provides very valuable insight as to what should be demanded from a coach:
*Its like he says, you cannot derail for even a couple of weeks. I think many think in the lines of 'could it possibly we worse if the coach tried X' or 'why not give it a shot with this kid on the 1st line' and stuff like that. Sure a coach must try new things and take some gambles -- but there is no room for error. You must definitely err on the side of caution so to speak. All lines, all D pairings, PP, PK -- it can't be perfect but the fundamentals must be there. Its easy to sit on the sideline and have one million suggestions on what should be done and tried and tested and what not, but to get into the POs nowadays you -- MUST -- come together from the start of Camp and keep it together for the duration of the season.
*We discuss back and forth how much hands on a coach is. There is a notion that a coach must draw up the boundaries and detail manage everything. But like Hitch says its pretty much an illusion. A coach cannot steer his team with a firm hand. Its like this: On one side you have the numbers of hours per season were how the player acts will impact his performance on the ice, and on the other side you have the number of hours its possible for the coach to watch and steer his players. If its 16 hours per day on the first side, the coach is maybe there for 45 minutes of those 16 hours. Each and every player is his own coach today.
The only way to have well coached players is to have a great group of players and great leaders on the team.
'I think I've had enough': Inside ex-Stars coach Ken Hitchcock's decision to retire and take consultant role
Some excerpts......“The biggest difference is that when I started [in the NHL] in the ‘90s and 2000s, it was all about preparation. Now it’s all about post-game review and keeping the train on the tracks," he said. “You could afford a bad two weeks back then. Not now. Too many good teams. It’s all about that review and keeping that train moving."...............Hitchcock said the biggest challenge for the new coach is connecting with the leaders of the team, not so much interacting with the entire team. “It’s the partnership you forge between the leaders and you that dictates your success level here," he said. “The reason you need that partnership is you don’t spend a lot of time on a casual basis with players in the NHL. There’s too many games, too few practices. It’s not like college or juniors."................ “The players spend all the time together. And it’s the leaders that set the tone with the entire team."
I think Hitch provides very valuable insight as to what should be demanded from a coach:
*Its like he says, you cannot derail for even a couple of weeks. I think many think in the lines of 'could it possibly we worse if the coach tried X' or 'why not give it a shot with this kid on the 1st line' and stuff like that. Sure a coach must try new things and take some gambles -- but there is no room for error. You must definitely err on the side of caution so to speak. All lines, all D pairings, PP, PK -- it can't be perfect but the fundamentals must be there. Its easy to sit on the sideline and have one million suggestions on what should be done and tried and tested and what not, but to get into the POs nowadays you -- MUST -- come together from the start of Camp and keep it together for the duration of the season.
*We discuss back and forth how much hands on a coach is. There is a notion that a coach must draw up the boundaries and detail manage everything. But like Hitch says its pretty much an illusion. A coach cannot steer his team with a firm hand. Its like this: On one side you have the numbers of hours per season were how the player acts will impact his performance on the ice, and on the other side you have the number of hours its possible for the coach to watch and steer his players. If its 16 hours per day on the first side, the coach is maybe there for 45 minutes of those 16 hours. Each and every player is his own coach today.
The only way to have well coached players is to have a great group of players and great leaders on the team.
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Very interesting, although I'm a bit confused as to the difference between 'preparation' and 'post-game review'
I suppose the thesis from KH is for the coach to campaign his platform and philosophies with the leadership, and hope they take to it. (FWIW, you can see how divisive AV/Lundqvist became. Not sure when that split occurred, but it did).
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
No. They were a team that was never prepared to play. They were always playing behind just seconds and minutes after the puck drop. A lot of the same group was here that had been a part of many playoff runs. The Coach never had them prepared. He never knew how to make a change to get them prepared and adjusted. Rinse and Repeat from AV.
Beer League Sniper
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Totally agree. We got run off the ice in the first period, at home, way too many times this season. I don't care what kind of trash roster you throw out there. Against all but the most elite teams, effort alone goes a long way towards ensuring you're not embarrassed. I'm fine with losing during this rebuild, but the way in which you lose says a lot about the character of your team.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Pssst...
[looks over shoulder before dropping the big secret]
[checks again]
The team needed to be blown up 2 years before this year...
And the Tampa Bay Rangers will be torn down if they flop now too...
[disappears into shadows...]
What Door- I am sorry but I just don’t buy that. Over the years I’ve seen comments like that so often — but losing is never pretty. Just go back and check the handful of GDTs after the deadline. Collective freak out.
Which team in this league loses pretty? None.
Lack of effort and preparation is also often just an illusion. You need to do certain things, when you don’t you will become passive. How often doesn’t completely desperate teams play quite flat hockey? You see it all the time. It’s the easiest thing in the world to work hard and finish hits — if you manage to hunt down the opponents. Play Monopoly against these guys and everyone will compete hard. It’s not like they slack during games. If you don’t execute you fall behind, if you chase after a D and get to him 2 seconds to late you will look flat.
Last season, our Ds didn’t win enough battles, and when they won the puck they didn’t move the puck particularly well either. McD have done a very good job for us the last handful of years. But I am sorry, he have just been way too alone. And while Crosby/Malkin/Bonino can carry a weak blueline, Step/Brass/Hayes are way behind them. Ziba too.
No matter how things are turned and twisted and looked from all kind of angles — I have to say that it’s really really hard to claim that we haven’t been over performing for a long while. And when we haven’t overperformed — a fundamental reason for it have been that we have been completely worn out. McD and co have just had to carry a to big load and take too much punishment.
MY POINT IS JUST, believing that we had some dynasty capable roster that was poorly run is just not in touch with reality. There are 31 teams in this league and many of them is far from impressive. We had a lot lesser problems than most.
Which team in this league loses pretty? None.
Lack of effort and preparation is also often just an illusion. You need to do certain things, when you don’t you will become passive. How often doesn’t completely desperate teams play quite flat hockey? You see it all the time. It’s the easiest thing in the world to work hard and finish hits — if you manage to hunt down the opponents. Play Monopoly against these guys and everyone will compete hard. It’s not like they slack during games. If you don’t execute you fall behind, if you chase after a D and get to him 2 seconds to late you will look flat.
Last season, our Ds didn’t win enough battles, and when they won the puck they didn’t move the puck particularly well either. McD have done a very good job for us the last handful of years. But I am sorry, he have just been way too alone. And while Crosby/Malkin/Bonino can carry a weak blueline, Step/Brass/Hayes are way behind them. Ziba too.
No matter how things are turned and twisted and looked from all kind of angles — I have to say that it’s really really hard to claim that we haven’t been over performing for a long while. And when we haven’t overperformed — a fundamental reason for it have been that we have been completely worn out. McD and co have just had to carry a to big load and take too much punishment.
MY POINT IS JUST, believing that we had some dynasty capable roster that was poorly run is just not in touch with reality. There are 31 teams in this league and many of them is far from impressive. We had a lot lesser problems than most.
Mike Babcock was in the standings during the Sweden-Russia game. Not surprising at all, he is usually out there helping management scouting when the season is over. He flew over and lunched with Zaitsev last summer. He is involved in all areas with management.
When Jeff Gorton signs his next coach — will that coach provide even a small fraction of what Mike Babcock provides to the Toronto Maple Leafs? And if so, why are we content with that? We have had a worthless AHL franchise for years. AV have been very hands off when it comes to management. Our Pro Scouting has big issues, crap like Hagelin for Etem trades shouldn’t happen. We have done some things really well. Especially attracting NA FAs. We let Bereglazov walk, many teams would have kept his rights so that nobody else could get him. We have a policy where we try to threat these kids extremely well to attract more of them. It have worked really well. We do other things well too. I am not crapping on that we are a poorly Ehn organization. We most certainly ain’t. BUT — are we perfectly run? Could more be done? I do have a bit of a problem with that it doesn’t even seem like we are trying to be — the best — run organization in the league.
When Jeff Gorton signs his next coach — will that coach provide even a small fraction of what Mike Babcock provides to the Toronto Maple Leafs? And if so, why are we content with that? We have had a worthless AHL franchise for years. AV have been very hands off when it comes to management. Our Pro Scouting has big issues, crap like Hagelin for Etem trades shouldn’t happen. We have done some things really well. Especially attracting NA FAs. We let Bereglazov walk, many teams would have kept his rights so that nobody else could get him. We have a policy where we try to threat these kids extremely well to attract more of them. It have worked really well. We do other things well too. I am not crapping on that we are a poorly Ehn organization. We most certainly ain’t. BUT — are we perfectly run? Could more be done? I do have a bit of a problem with that it doesn’t even seem like we are trying to be — the best — run organization in the league.
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