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That may be true, but what makes Muller more "green" than guys like Roy, Oates, or Jon Cooper?
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That may be true, but what makes Muller more "green" than guys like Roy, Oates, or Jon Cooper?
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I don't see how those comparisons are relevant. If your argument is "these rookie coaches had success where it wasn't expected," sure, as long as you ignore the entire organizations, team chemistry, makeup of the team, and everything else that's relevant when evaluating a coach. Not to mention they could just be better coaches.
I like Muller and think he'll be a great coach in the future, I just felt like given our situation, a veteran coach might have had more success. I backed off on that opinion initially when I thought he could get through to EStaal (and in turn, the rest of the team), but obviously that didn't pan out.
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^So what you're saying is that Rocky was right all along, correct?
As far as Muller being a bad fit for this team? Yep. He was on shaky ground to start this season and the consensus was to give him a complete camp-through-playoffs year to prove himself. What do we have to show for that?
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That's fair as he may have been too green for this job, but my point is it could also have nothing to do with being green. It could be that his coaching philosophy just isn't a good match for the players on this team, which happens to veteran coaches as well. Either way, right now, it's not working.
Not sure I'd throw in the towel yet or not though, as other than a 1/2 season run in 08-09 by the 2nd coming of Maurice, no coach has gotten though to this team since they won the cup. That said, something has to change.
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No disagreements here. I think they should give him at least a couple months next season to see how things are shaping up (hopefully having a fully healthy training camp).
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Head coaching experience (except for Oates). And Oates hasn't exactly been a dynamo in Washington by any stretch.
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JR was just on Adam and Joe, and was a bit more candid than he was this morning. Didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement of Muller and dropped an interesting line about how "We are all under evaluation." Not sure if that was just him rambling or if he's finally under the microscope.
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Wasn't it fairly well known that everyone was "under evaulation", JR included? Thing is, he's "performed" better than anyone else on the hot seat this year. We're missing the playoffs, and he should be accountable for it since he put the team together, but it's a hard argument to make that he didn't do everything he could to put together what should be a playoff team.
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tarheelhockey
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The problem is we've been saying this every year. How many more non-playoff years does it take?
The three most damning things on JR's resume are:
1) Hiring Muller, whose own failure reflects poorly on JR.
2) The albatross contracts to Ward, Ruutu, Gleason, and his commitment to the Staals. He may not be accountable for their individual under-performances, but he is accountable for committing to a core of players who couldn't get it done.
3) His overall vision of a speedy, non-physical team in this day and age of 2-1 games.
All taken together, he has made too many losing gambles. At some point, enough has to be enough.
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I don't disagree with any of your points. #3, to me, is the biggest issue (#2 closely behind). He won the cup with that style (to an extent) and has refused to evolve like the rest of the NHL has. I just think this season, moreso than the past, he's done everything he could to make it work and I can't help but give him credit for it. Problem is, a GM should be measured by results, and in that respect, he's failed again. He could put Team Canada together for us, and if the team missed the playoffs, it should ultimately fall on him. He was unshackled this season and told to win at all costs, and despite a great effort, we aren't winning (making the playoffs). When you do everything you can to win and still come up short, it's time to step aside and let someone else give it a whirl.
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I do agree that he's been pretty efficient this season. And last season too, for that matter. Semin and Jordan were major acquisitions that really should have put us over the playoff hump.
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It's unfortunate for Rutherford that he's finally had a couple of solid offseasons and still barring a miracle down the stretch, the same results. We had big opportunities these last two years, and couldn't cash in. If we had started better this year, instead of being high in the division just because the rest of the division sucked, we could have built enough of a lead to just ride it out the rest of the season.
Last year being still in a junk division with a shortened season, should have been another year to make it. Granted, big time injuries helped our demise that year, but these two seasons, it should have been possible given circumstances to make the postseason at least once. More talent, big opportunities, same outcome.
It's interesting to think that despite all his failings how close the perception of this team is so close to being different than what it is. Win two end of season games, don't have both goalies and all the D get injured last year, have a better start this year, and you may be looking at 4 more playoff appearances than we've seen. It's been a fine line, but we're consistently on the wrong end of it.
The man made the playoffs more in an era where other teams could outspend us in unbelievable fashion as opposed to the cap era. He made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in the late 90's/early 00's and missed them by a point that 4th year in an era where we spent something like $20-40 million and a few other teams were spending $40-80 million. That says to me more than anything that he has to go. He hasn't been good enough in an era where there are still teams that spend more, but you can't be blown out of the water like the old days.
Last year being still in a junk division with a shortened season, should have been another year to make it. Granted, big time injuries helped our demise that year, but these two seasons, it should have been possible given circumstances to make the postseason at least once. More talent, big opportunities, same outcome.
It's interesting to think that despite all his failings how close the perception of this team is so close to being different than what it is. Win two end of season games, don't have both goalies and all the D get injured last year, have a better start this year, and you may be looking at 4 more playoff appearances than we've seen. It's been a fine line, but we're consistently on the wrong end of it.
The man made the playoffs more in an era where other teams could outspend us in unbelievable fashion as opposed to the cap era. He made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in the late 90's/early 00's and missed them by a point that 4th year in an era where we spent something like $20-40 million and a few other teams were spending $40-80 million. That says to me more than anything that he has to go. He hasn't been good enough in an era where there are still teams that spend more, but you can't be blown out of the water like the old days.
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Zac Dalpe seems to have turned into a weird Chad LaRose-esque cult figure on the Canucks board.
Also, I found this gem.
Makes me appreciate my sad, under achieving team a little more
Also, I found this gem.
Makes me appreciate my sad, under achieving team a little more
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Is there a draft thread? I didn't see one, though I'm probably an idiot and just missed it 
Anyway, what we thinking here, where we are now I think I'd like Draissaitl.
Then of course, somehow trade back into the 1st round to take Kapanen
Anyway, what we thinking here, where we are now I think I'd like Draissaitl.
Then of course, somehow trade back into the 1st round to take Kapanen
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Is there a draft thread? I didn't see one, though I'm probably an idiot and just missed it
Anyway, what we thinking here, where we are now I think I'd like Draissaitl.
Then of course, somehow trade back into the 1st round to take Kapanen
Here it is:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1567983
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Very small sample size in this poll, but it's still got to be a bit concerning. 40% of STH respondents say they are keeping their plan, 0% increasing their plan, 21% decreasing their plan, and 39% cancelling completely. With the across the board ticket price increases, things could be about to get (more) painful for the franchise at the box office.
The hyperinflation of ticket prices on a yearly basis combined with continued crap product is going to cause nearly every STH to think long and hard about keeping their seats. Those numbers aren't really that shocking to me to be honest based on the kind of conversations I've had with my friends, family, co-workers, etc that are fans of the team.
It's going to get to the point in a few years where I couldn't afford season tickets even if I wanted them. Right now I don't want them though, so it works out.
It's going to get to the point in a few years where I couldn't afford season tickets even if I wanted them. Right now I don't want them though, so it works out.
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For those of you that are STHs, what's your reasoning? Every year I entertain the idea, but can't justify the cost. I can get tickets on the secondary market for a fraction of the price and have never had an issue finding a ticket where I'd want it. My buddy just asked if I wanted to split his parent's tickets (they're moving) which are center ice uppers, but 2 tickets for $100 when I can get the same for $40 on stubhub or scalping just doesn't make sense.
for me, it's the group I sit with. Even during the worst of games we manage to have a good time.
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My parents are 26-game plan holders. Or were.
They did it because they liked having the same seats, got a discount on parking, arena gift cards, a few extra game vouchers, and playoff priority I think (HAH). It also gave them something to do since my siblings and I don't live at home anymore.
But they're not renewing this year. The entertainment tax negates a lot of the STH discount, the selection of games isn't to their liking (for some reason, they love seeing the Islanders), and, in my mom's words, "they suck."
They'll still go to games, but by buying individual tickets. This way they can see the teams they like and won't feel pressured to go to games on their plan when they aren't feeling up to it. Overall, it shouldn't even be that much of a price difference.
They did it because they liked having the same seats, got a discount on parking, arena gift cards, a few extra game vouchers, and playoff priority I think (HAH). It also gave them something to do since my siblings and I don't live at home anymore.
But they're not renewing this year. The entertainment tax negates a lot of the STH discount, the selection of games isn't to their liking (for some reason, they love seeing the Islanders), and, in my mom's words, "they suck."
They'll still go to games, but by buying individual tickets. This way they can see the teams they like and won't feel pressured to go to games on their plan when they aren't feeling up to it. Overall, it shouldn't even be that much of a price difference.
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