News From Around the League - Part XL

[CerebralGenesis]

Wait, you want to debate semantics now?

I thought we were looking at your drafting pedigree and Murphy over Larsson and Hamilton? But whatever you feel like bringing with Drouin's 0 NHL games is fine.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Sean Avery for Rangers Head Coach, do it Slats.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

Wait, you want to debate semantics now?

I thought we were looking at your drafting pedigree and Murphy over Larsson and Hamilton? But whatever you feel like bringing with Drouin's 0 NHL games is fine.

LOL... I don't even know what that means "semantics"?

Evaluating a draft when all 3 players combined have played less then 200 games is pretty comical and if you're ready to give out the award of who's the better choice, less then 36 months after being drafted, more power to you.

Get back at me in about 6 years and then we can start to point the finger at who was right and who wasn't.

Drouin didn't play a single game yet cause he's not eligible to play in the ****ing league yet... shocking news right !!!! It's all about perceived potential and as far as I know, everyone in hockey is saying that the top #3 are all "elite bluechip prospects". Will they reach their potential, no one knows and that right there is the beauty of the draft I guess.

 

[SeidoN]

John Vogl:

"Florida GM Dale Tallon doesn't put much into NHL combine strength tests. "The puck doesn't weigh that much," he said."

 

[apice3*]

Drew Doughty can't do a pull up.

 

[Czech Trio]

John Vogl:

"Florida GM Dale Tallon doesn't put much into NHL combine strength tests. "The puck doesn't weigh that much," he said."

yes yes indeed

 

[Brodeur]

John Vogl:

"Florida GM Dale Tallon doesn't put much into NHL combine strength tests. "The puck doesn't weigh that much," he said."

Gare Joyce's book "Future Greats and Heartbreaks" has a nice section about the 2006 and 2007 scouting combines. It's counterintuitive, but it almost hurts a guy's stock if he's already built like a tank at 18. In particular, somebody like Nick Petrecki sounded pretty intriguing going into the 2007 Draft. But teams might have been scared off by Petrecki being close to being fully developed (ie, not much higher of a ceiling). Whereas a skinny guy like Kyle Turris had room to add twenty pounds.

Another scout in that book noted that he put more stock in "how" rather than "how much" in terms of the combine tests.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Gare Joyce's book "Future Greats and Heartbreaks" has a nice section about the 2006 and 2007 scouting combines. It's counterintuitive, but it almost hurts a guy's stock if he's already built like a tank at 18. In particular, somebody like Nick Petrecki sounded pretty intriguing going into the 2007 Draft. But teams might have been scared off by Petrecki being close to being fully developed (ie, not much higher of a ceiling). Whereas a skinny guy like Kyle Turris had room to add twenty pounds.

Another scout in that book noted that he put more stock in "how" rather than "how much" in terms of the combine tests.

That's a good point. Petrecki can dominate juniors/college physically, but he won't have as much of an advantage at the NHL level.

I think a similar point could be made of Nikita Zadorov this season.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I lope Lou Conte drafts us 3 or 4 offensive/scoring forwards and hope 2 make it and are "steals".

These scorers that are expected to go in the 2nd-4th rounds could end up being smart picks.

Petan, Sorenson, Poirier, Carrier, Bjorkstrand, Oliver Roy, Sandberg, Dauphin, Lodge.

On defense, I still like Brett Pesce in a later round, too bad we don't have a 3rd since he won't last to the 4th.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

*plays taps*

Sleep well sweet prince.

2006-2013

 

[Tretyak 20]

Gare Joyce's book "Future Greats and Heartbreaks" has a nice section about the 2006 and 2007 scouting combines. It's counterintuitive, but it almost hurts a guy's stock if he's already built like a tank at 18. In particular, somebody like Nick Petrecki sounded pretty intriguing going into the 2007 Draft. But teams might have been scared off by Petrecki being close to being fully developed (ie, not much higher of a ceiling). Whereas a skinny guy like Kyle Turris had room to add twenty pounds.

Another scout in that book noted that he put more stock in "how" rather than "how much" in terms of the combine tests.

This is exactly what's got me thinking Shinkaruk could go much higher than predicted. Might not be available for us.

 

[aboriginal]

*plays taps*

Sleep well sweet prince.

2006-2013

bwahahahahhahaha

hey ma, how about some ice cream

no dice

dis aint ova

 

[apice3*]

*plays taps*

Sleep well sweet prince.

2006-2013

There goes my herooooooo, watch him as he goes.

 

[SeidoN]

This is exactly what's got me thinking Shinkaruk could go much higher than predicted. Might not be available for us.

if Shinkaruk goes higher, another forward drops towards us. all we need is 2 defenseman to go above us (excluding Jones) and we bag someone solid. 1 D man above us bags us a pretty decent forward

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

someone unexpected will fall. it always happens.

 

[Tretyak 20]

if Shinkaruk goes higher, another forward drops towards us. all we need is 2 defenseman to go above us (excluding Jones) and we bag someone solid. 1 D man above us bags us a pretty decent forward

Exactly what I'm thinking. If Shinkaruk goes and either of Nichushkin or Linholm are still on the board - I'm happy.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Volchenkov was good for us until he suffered a mild concussion just before the playoffs. Then he lost a step. Whatever.


Adios.

 

[Bleedred]

Volchenkov was good for us until he suffered a mild concussion just before the playoffs. Then he lost a step. Whatever.


Adios.

I would say he was more or less serviceable before that. A good number 5-6 guy which is exactly what he was. Now he's not even AHL caliber. He almost cost us that first round series too, but that's more on the coach for keeping him in there.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

He was a fine shutdown dman, especially on an historically good PK, that's more than serviceable. Volch had a definite role and he was useful to his team.

 

[Bleedred]

He was a fine shutdown dman, especially on an historically good PK, that's more than serviceable. Volch had a definite role and he was useful to his team.

Alright was good on the PK, and was okay at even strength.

Since then he's been really bad. Isn't even good on the PK anymore. In fact I thought our PK was better when he was off the ice, and even when he was scratched/suspended. He was regularly out of position on the PK a lot.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Volchies style of play has just caught up to him. He is and was an absolute warrior so it was a matter of time before it got to him. He's lost not just a step, but several. He routinely gets beat by speed and has trouble getting in position to block shots. He usually gets into the play just in time to be a screen. He can't even really hit anymore. He's usually the one who ends up on the ice. He can't pass, he can't shoot, and he can't handle the puck. I thank him for his service but what he is right now is no longer an asset, and is actually routinely a detriment to the team.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Alright was good on the PK, and was okay at even strength.

Since then he's been really bad. Isn't even good on the PK anymore. In fact I thought our PK was better when he was off the ice, and even when he was scratched/suspended. He was regularly out of position on the PK a lot.

Even the biggest Volch's apologist would agree on that. He's been bad since his concussion.

 

[Zajacs Faceoff]

LOL... I don't even know what that means "semantics"?

Evaluating a draft when all 3 players combined have played less then 200 games is pretty comical and if you're ready to give out the award of who's the better choice, less then 36 months after being drafted, more power to you.

Get back at me in about 6 years and then we can start to point the finger at who was right and who wasn't.

Drouin didn't play a single game yet cause he's not eligible to play in the ****ing league yet... shocking news right !!!! It's all about perceived potential and as far as I know, everyone in hockey is saying that the top #3 are all "elite bluechip prospects". Will they reach their potential, no one knows and that right there is the beauty of the draft I guess.

I am not saying I disagree with you that Drouin will turn out better than Larsson, but Larsson has at least proved he can play in the NHL and still has potential, I am sure Drouin can play in the NHL too, but nothing is proven, and weren't draft experts saying Larsson was going to be an elite defensemen before he was drafted.

 

[apice3*]

I have yet to hear anyone besides random negative Devil fans say that Larsson isn't going to be an elite defensemen. I know Ranger fans that see the star potential in the kid.

 

[Wingman77]

I have yet to hear anyone besides random negative Devil fans say that Larsson isn't going to be an elite defensemen. I know Ranger fans that see the star potential in the kid.

Don't kid yourself

There are plenty out there that expect 40 point seasons out of him, 1/4 of those coming on the PP, and all the other cool offensive terms

Same ones who have a handle on each prospect every draft from googling stats, youtubing highlights, and reading the prospect board all while sitting by a warm lit fire with cookies