News From Around the League - Part XL

[SKNJD9]

 

[Bleedred]

WOW!

I liked Vokoun before he was a Penguin. I also liked Bryz before he was a Flyer, and since he's probably toast there I'm starting to like him again.

Because I liked Vokoun it will be easier to root for them if they run into the Kings.

 

[apice3*]

I'm not pointing you out but I've seen the same comment in the past couple of pages and I find it pretty ironic that we're questioning the Rangers blueline when ours isn't all that better.

So let's trade Larsson!

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

So let's trade Larsson!

Damn right... he's so overated around here and will probably pan out as Henrik Tallinder 2.0

Next thing you know, we'll be making a poll in 2 years about moving him for a 2nd line winger ala Volchenkov getting amnestied, you know, the guy who's the heart and soul of our penalty kill and is a must in our starting lineup

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Lol if he is overrated we have nothing in the pipeline.

Merrill, Gelinas, and urbom are far from sure things.

I love Severson but he is a little ways out too.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Keep this up and Salmela will come back and make you confess your sins.

 

[glenwo2]

To add my two cents to the TORTS saga :






It frankly was a long-time coming and I'm sure the Rags players are breathing a sigh of relief that they won't have to do that absurd entire-team-playing-goaltender-in-front-of-Lundpads system again.

At the same time, It's good news for us and the rest of the league since there would be LESS shot-blocking leading to more chances to bring out the Queen-O-Meter.


Happy Trails, Torts!

 

[onefatsurfer]

Damn right... he's so overated around here and will probably pan out as Henrik Tallinder 2.0

Next thing you know, we'll be making a poll in 2 years about moving him for a 2nd line winger ala Volchenkov getting amnestied, you know, the guy who's the heart and soul of our penalty kill and is a must in our starting lineup

Interesting view. I disagree with it in its entirety.

 

[glenwo2]

Interesting view. I disagree with it in its entirety.

I don't know what it is but I truly think DATW was being a bit sarcastic with that post there. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know...

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Sarcastic my ***. He wants to trade Larsson for Drouin since day 1 because baby Drouin and his fellow highly touted prospects are all the 2nd coming of Gretzky until they really play an NHL game.

And wake-up, Larsson at 20 already peaked. Bust

 

[apice3*]

If I see DATW use the phrase "a la" one more time, I might gouge my eyes with a rusty fork

 

[aboriginal]

Damn right... he's so overated around here and will probably pan out as Henrik Tallinder 2.0

Next thing you know, we'll be making a poll in 2 years about moving him for a 2nd line winger ala Volchenkov getting amnestied, you know, the guy who's the heart and soul of our penalty kill and is a must in our starting lineup

youll be the one making any sort of ridiculous poll. give up your idiocy crusade. the hippies lost. move on.

 

[aboriginal]

I don't know what it is but I truly think DATW was being a bit sarcastic with that post there. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know...

nope. not sarcastic in the least.

 

[DatBoyJPP]

I find it comical that you are even saying anyone is blaming Shaw for the power play.

Do you have a problem with my avatar?

Who in here was blaming him? We were just cracking jokes about him going to work for the Rangers.

I don't have a problem with your avatar. Do whatever the hell you want. Our powerplay sucked before he got here and I'll bet money it sucks after he leaves. And don't even try to play dumb that you aren't blaming because that's all you ****ing do is blame him for EVERYTHING.

It starts with using Kovalchuk correctly and that's on DeBoer.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Puck Daddy running with my suggestion? LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/mark-messier-york-rangers-head-coach-141636964.html

I had no idea he'd already done it when I kidded around yesterday about it either.

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers-h...ther-asked-mark-messier-to-coach-the-rangers/

Following the Rangers firing of Brian Trottier in January 2003, Messier revealed in the NY Daily News that Glen Sather had asked him before the season about going behind the bench, “He did ask me, to be very honest, he did ask me last year if I was going to play, and if I didn’t, would I be interested in coaching the team last year,” Messier said, referring to a conversation they had shortly after Ron Low was fired as Sather’s first Rangers head coach. “I said I didn’t know if I was going to play. And he said, ‘Well, if you don’t play, would you be interested in coaching?’”

 

[Bleedred]

I don't have a problem with your avatar. Do whatever the hell you want. Our powerplay sucked before he got here and I'll bet money it sucks after he leaves. And don't even try to play dumb that you aren't blaming because that's all you ****ing do is blame him for EVERYTHING.

It starts with using Kovalchuk correctly and that's on DeBoer.

I agree with you complete on Kovalchuk and Deboer. I did not critique Shaw in this thread though. We were just busting his chops on what the Rangers PP would look like with Shaw. And how apparently one assistant has a job offer as head coach, and I thought it would be pretty funny to pretend it was Shaw getting the Rangers head coaching job.

Hell, I even gave him a compliment, and said he'd make the Rangers PP better than that crap they had last year.

 

[Bleedred]

Puck Daddy running with my suggestion? LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/mark-messier-york-rangers-head-coach-141636964.html

I had no idea he'd already done it when I kidded around yesterday about it either.

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers-h...ther-asked-mark-messier-to-coach-the-rangers/

I remember this. I remember reading prior to 02-03 that it was rumored that Messier would coach the Rangers. I thought that was funny cause he was still under contract to play, but he was getting injured so much all the time.

 

[Status Quo*]

Rangers fan I work with wants Messier as a coach in the worst way. He also wants Sean Avery back. Lets just say he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[Bleedred]

Rangers fan I work with wants Messier as a coach in the worst way. He also wants Sean Avery back. Lets just say he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

I wouldn't want him as a coach if I were a Rangers fan. What exactly qualifies him? I could see them having a 10-11 Devils like start if they hire him. I can also see him being done faster than Trottier was. Though Sather might keep him around longer so he doesn't look like he knew he was an idiot for hiring him in the first place.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

Lol if he is overrated we have nothing in the pipeline.

Merrill, Gelinas, and urbom are far from sure things.

I love Severson but he is a little ways out too.

By overated, I'm not saying he'll turn out to be as bad as Volchenkov but I just don't see him being the #1 stud d-man everyone thinks he'll be.

Nothing wrong with me thinking he'll be a top #4 d-men. If he turns out to be that stud everyone wants him to be, then I'll bow down to everyone here... just don't see it happening.

Sarcastic my ***. He wants to trade Larsson for Drouin since day 1 because baby Drouin and his fellow highly touted prospects are all the 2nd coming of Gretzky until they really play an NHL game.

And wake-up, Larsson at 20 already peaked. Bust

I would trade Larsson for Drouin in a heartbeat but I don't think Yzerman would and rightfully so. Drouin will be a stud and you don't have to take my word for it, you can just listen to Bob McKenzie or any other knowledgeable "hockey mind" and they'll tell you the same thing.

God forbid someone would actually have the balls to talk down to Jesus Christ himself, Adam Larsson. Again, Adam has a solid future with us but I don't see him being the player people are expecting and I'm not the only one with that POV.

If I see DATW use the phrase "a la" one more time, I might gouge my eyes with a rusty fork

One can only hope you're serious... a la, a la, a la, a la, a la, a lalalalalalalalalalalalala.

Gouge away my friend, gouge away.

youll be the one making any sort of ridiculous poll. give up your idiocy crusade. the hippies lost. move on.

Having a different POV around here, especially if you go against the general concensus, can get you in a world of trouble.

It's just funny that the ideas I bring up, the vaste majority of this board ends up flaming me when I make them, only to pull a 180 on the very same ideas I pitched 2 years earlier.

* For example: Buying out Colin White, moving Parise for a legit #1 d-man (like Weber at the time), getting rid of Volchenkov/Salvador and now moving Larsson for the 3rd overall pick)

 

[billingtons ghost]

* For example: Buying out Colin White, moving Parise for a legit #1 d-man (like Weber at the time), getting rid of Volchenkov/Salvador and now moving Larsson for the 3rd overall pick)

Because all of those ideas (except for buying out White) are bad ones.

You don't move Parise for a variety of reasons. You seem to claim a priori knowledge of some conversation that Lou and Parise had where Parise said he wasn't coming back. Yeah, if you know for sure he's bolting to Minny, great - make a trade and we don't go to the Finals. But, you don't know for sure. He's the captain, and dealing him concedes that we won't try to sign our own free agents - that's our typical inferiority complex talking and doesn't stand up to scrutiny of the facts.

"Getting rid" of Volchenkov/Salvador implies that you either were to bury them in the AHL, or buy them out, or trade them. It is pretty clear that the first is not an option, the second has never been a valid option until this offseason - and the last was never really an option because it takes two to tango - and you simply don't have the info as to whether Lou tried or not.

I know you are high on Drouin, but I think MacK has a lot to do with his value. If I could guarantee getting him, I would maybe make that deal straight up.

No one can see the future, but I find it hard to believe that our team would be better with Drouin as opposed to Larsson+'whoever we pick at #9' if that is what you are proposing.

Jury is obviously still out on Adam but he's only 20.

Edit: and keep in mind - all of the highlights you've seen of Jones/MacK/Drouin and the rest have been against 16-year-old kids.

 

[RandoDoomer]

I wouldn't want him as a coach if I were a Rangers fan. What exactly qualifies him? I could see them having a 10-11 Devils like start if they hire him. I can also see him being done faster than Trottier was. Though Sather might keep him around longer so he doesn't look like he knew he was an idiot for hiring him in the first place.

If I was a Ranger fan, I wouldn't want him to coach either. Just like I don't want Stevens to be our head coach. Because, even if they're good, odds are they'll eventually be fired, just like all coaches. And that will tarnish the legacy of beloved players. And if they're bad, like Johnny Mac.....

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

Because all of those ideas (except for buying out White) are bad ones.

You don't move Parise for a variety of reasons. You seem to claim a priori knowledge of some conversation that Lou and Parise had where Parise said he wasn't coming back. Yeah, if you know for sure he's bolting to Minny, great - make a trade and we don't go to the Finals. But, you don't know for sure. He's the captain, and dealing him concedes that we won't try to sign our own free agents - that's our typical inferiority complex talking and doesn't stand up to scrutiny of the facts.

"Getting rid" of Volchenkov/Salvador implies that you either were to bury them in the AHL, or buy them out, or trade them. It is pretty clear that the first is not an option, the second has never been a valid option until this offseason - and the last was never really an option because it takes two to tango - and you simply don't have the info as to whether Lou tried or not.

I know you are high on Drouin, but I think MacK has a lot to do with his value. If I could guarantee getting him, I would maybe make that deal straight up.

No one can see the future, but I find it hard to believe that our team would be better with Drouin as opposed to Larsson+'whoever we pick at #9' if that is what you are proposing.

Jury is obviously still out on Adam but he's only 20.

Edit: and keep in mind - all of the highlights you've seen of Jones/MacK/Drouin and the rest have been against 16-year-old kids.

Regarding Parise, I made a thread saying that IF we were able to resign Kovalchuk to a LTC, it would be a good idea to move him for someone like Shea Weber. That thread, IIRC, was made when Parise came off his fantastic season of 40 somewhat goals and his value was at a ultimate high, yet we underachieved in the post season with him as our leader year after year.

Looking back at my proposal at couple of years later, the same posters who were throwing stones my way, changed their pov and would've made that move with their eyes closed.

When I throw out ideas, I don't have that same sentiment alot of posters have around here and that sentiment is almost on the same level of "losing one of your own kids". The way certain posters get so defensive about a certain player is almost as if I was attacking one of their family members or something. To me, there's not a single player that is viewed as untouchable... if that supposed trade can improve the team moving forward.

I'm not a fan of a single player like Parise, Larsson, Kovalchuk, Brodeur, etc... I'm a fan of the New Jersey Devils first and foremost.

Secondly, I've been on players like Salvador, White and Volchenkov for a while now and in today's era, you don't need to overpay for one dimensional players like them but Lou throws the bank at them for whatever reason. Volchenkov has been brutal for the past couple of years and the majority is catching on based on his brutal play. I know he has heart and is probably the biggest warrior we've had since Stevens but you can't rely on heart and heart alone when playing at the NHL level... this ain't Rudy Ruettiger ala Notre Dame (gouge time for Apice3).

And to finish this off, I know Larsson is only 20 years of age but we have a solid prospect pool in regards to blueliners, we can probably walk away with the 2nd or 3rd best blueliner in this draft class (Ristolainen looks to be the left handed Finish version of Larsson) and land one of the most dynamic forward in a draft class that is being compared to the 2003 crop.

His hockey IQ is off the charts, he can make a tape to tape pass with his eyes closed with a guy on his back, has the best hands in the draft, outscored the 2nd best talent in this draft class (MacKinnon) by 30 pts during the regular season and only played 5 more games, was a top #6 player at the under 20 WJC for team Canada as a 17 year old wich is something you just don't see in Canada's program, was the QMJHL MVP, won the Mike Bossy Trophy for being named QMJHL top professional prospect for the 2012-13 season, won the CHL player of the year award, etc, etc, etc, etc...

The track record is just outstanding when looking at Drouin and if I had to compare it to Huberdeau, he's probably a step above him since Huberdeau never cracked the U-20 team as a 17 year old.

I'm not saying he'll be the next version of Crosby/Malkin but the kid has the track record that can be compared with the ELITE of the NHL, prior to cracking the big league.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

I was on board with the Parise trade for a #1 dman. But 2 wins from the cup kinda changes things.

I think you're overrating Drouin, but we'll see in the next few years.

 

[apice3*]

I just went through that thread and a majority of people said it was fair value but weren't sure if either team would do it.

Once again, you're creating a woe is me argument that everyone is against you which isn't true. People are against your stupid ideas, not all of your ideas. A Weber/Parise swap was not a stupid idea, it was just a proposal that people weren't sure if they would do. Larsson for Drouin is a stupid idea.