Richie Daggers Crime
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I'm fine. I want the best for everyone. He's a young man and he's got the rest of his life to improve himself.
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Richie Daggers Crime
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I think smashing your stick like that should be a fine or a penalty.
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Just my opinion, but Jarmo and Chevy missed out on numerous chances to take the next step and really improve their teams because, all too often, they seemed content to roll with unbalanced and top-heavy squads, squandering years of potential away.
Two guys who only seem interested in trading if they "know" they have won the trade from a pure talent perspective, without truly balancing it out against team needs, depth and locker room culture.
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I'm thinking no, after seeing Martin nearly break his stick on the glass after they f***ed up that icing call he clearly won the race on..
Unless he's a healthy scratch tonight, then you might be onto something..
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The owners should have those.. probably recoup half the salary cap...It may be an internal fine or something. Like a "swear jar."
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I think it should only count if we're not using it the way we're gonna see the Nazzer operate tonight. Love that guy!
Love how Scotty May and Barzal use their sticks effectively vs the opposition in corner battles. Very craftily chippy (said in an admiring way)
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If the Isles can keep playing well, and teams with talented forwards like the Blues, Canucks, Blue Jackets, Penguins, etc. keep struggling, there might actually be a deal available for that elusive, missing winger at some point.
Especially teams like the Blues or Canucks, who shouldn't have a problem trading a player to the East. And if teams like the Penguins, Caps, etc. aren't buyers, that might also help a lot.
Especially teams like the Blues or Canucks, who shouldn't have a problem trading a player to the East. And if teams like the Penguins, Caps, etc. aren't buyers, that might also help a lot.
I very much do hope he improves himself. However, I don't think rewarding him with that level of success in spite of his utter lack of remorse for his actions is likely to have that effect.
Richie Daggers Crime
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Fair enough. From what I've read from the victim's family, I definitely feel they are, but will also admit that I have no real knowledge beyond that.
Richie Daggers Crime
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It might have been, but it doesn't mean it has to be going forward. My position is that I hope he succeeds in being a good, successful person, not speculating on whether or not he will, if that makes sense.
No, it does. And I think it's a valid point about speculating on situations we have limited factual knowledge of. And he'll likely get more chances, probably in Europe so it's not like the book is closed here. But we can agree that we both hope he becomes a good person.
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The interesting thing is if this had happened in Canada, you'd likely never even know about it and the kid would probably be playing on some club's farm team. Our youth criminal justice rules forbid the disclosure of a youth's identity when charged / convicted of crimes.
The theory being that youths have a reduced decision-making capacity vs adults and also a greater chance to get back on track. For this reason, our government chooses not to force people to carry the label of an offender for things they did as a (supposedly dumb) kid.
I don't know much about this case in detail. Obviously, it was deplorable behaviour. For which he was charged and convicted by the law. But, presumably, at 14 aren't we supposed to learn from our mistakes and correct our behaviours, not wear those mistakes for the rest of our lives? Perhaps there's something to the law here in Canada.
I clearly don't know him, or how much remorse he does or does not feel, or how much he's grown as a person and learned from this to become a better human being. But I think it's ultimately unfair to ban someone from their employment prospects for something they did as a 14 yo if they have learned and grown from it.
Depends on what they did when they were 14, no? Hypothetically, arrested for weed possession or murdered entire family in their sleep - maybe one deserves a second chance and the other not so much?
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A lot of this is about the intersection of the mood of society. Age is a factor, however, right now these are not PR battles the NHL wants to take on. Just look at what the NHL has done in the last 12-16 months. They also now have ESPN/Disney as a broadcast partner. The NHL likes to keep a squeaky clean image.
The Bruins seemed to think that mood has changed or they can slide it through (5pm est on a Friday speaks to that vs. a Tuesday at 11am). They tried to cover that by saying other teams were interested too (I.e. go hunt them down to take the pressure off of us…).
Different situations, but he probably goes unnoticed in the age of the newspaper and early days of the internet before the social media. We have no idea, but would have Danny Healtley survived today’s scrutiny to return to the league? Would Czikas been able to overcome his issue and ‘be eligible’, if it happened today?
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In Canada, serious crimes like murdering an entire family as a 14yo usually gets you tried as an adult and the youth criminal justice then doesn't apply. That said, it does beg the question if our justice systems are about punishment and deterrent or about rehabilitation.
I certainly don't have the answers and these are, I believe, more complex questions than our simplistic media-driven cancel culture makes them out to be. I, both personally and professionally, believe in giving people second chances if they 1) have genuine remorse over their actions, and 2) have learned from their actions.
In the Miller case, I do not possess the knowledge to judge him on either point, but I also doubt the people who essentially want him ostracized from NHL / society have the knowledge to judge him either. And yet the NHL has seemingly relented to the mob.
As to your point on the differing weight of crimes, our own Cizikas was tried and convicted of manslaughter as a youth. Is that violation of the law worse or better than what Miller has been ostracized for? I don't know, yet I believe (from afar) Casey has proven to be a man of good character and he's enjoyed a good career and great wealth by not having that conviction held against him.
Life is complex. I just hate seeing people be canceled or thrown away today because of a mistake made at 14. I guess the optimist in me wants to believe in the basic redemption and good in people.
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I don't think you can murder an entire family in their sleep. Wouldn't some of them wake up?
Do you think he should be given an NHL contract, now?
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Times have certainly changed.In Canada, serious crimes like murdering an entire family as a 14yo usually gets you tried as an adult and the youth criminal justice then doesn't apply. That said, it does beg the question if our justice systems are about punishment and deterrent or about rehabilitation.
I certainly don't have the answers and these are, I believe, more complex questions than our simplistic media-driven cancel culture makes them out to be. I, both personally and professionally, believe in giving people second chances if they 1) have genuine remorse over their actions, and 2) have learned from their actions.
In the Miller case, I do not possess the knowledge to judge him on either point, but I also doubt the people who essentially want him ostracized from NHL / society have the knowledge to judge him either. And yet the NHL has seemingly relented to the mob.
As to your point on the differing weight of crimes, our own Cizikas was tried and convicted of manslaughter as a youth. Is that violation of the law worse or better than what Miller has been ostracized for? I don't know, yet I believe (from afar) Casey has proven to be a man of good character and he's enjoyed a good career and great wealth by not having that conviction held against him.
Life is complex. I just hate seeing people be canceled or thrown away today because of a mistake made at 14. I guess the optimist in me wants to believe in the basic redemption and good in people.
It was only as far back as the 1990s when Mike Milbury murdered a franchise’s potential for nearly a decade and came out unscathed with zero punishment. In fact, he continued to punish our collective eyes and ears on NBC for years afterwards.
Richie Daggers Crime
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I think teams can make their own decisions based on their own interests. Same with him.
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