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Well, Westgarth could barely stand on his skates so this checks out
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Neither could Faulk for a while after westgarth was done with him
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Wasn't that Brad Malone?
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Oh snap I think you’re right. It’s easy to get these bottom line tough guys who don’t score or fight or play defense confused
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Hey now...lets not disrespekt Brad Malone! He was a huge upgrade on what we were running on the 4th line at the time.
Just a bit outside considering Westgarth last played in 2013-14 while Brad Malone still plays in the NHL today
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Speaking of just a bit outside. @AD Skinner 's post was a joke about the player who injured Faulk (which he mistakenly thought was Westgarth), so that's the context of the Brad Malone comment, since it was Malone who injured Faulk, not Westgarth.
Has nothing to do with Malone vs. Westgarth as players.
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I should have quoted both. I was just pointing out the crazy fact that Brad Malone is still in the league while Kevin Westgarth last played 10 years ago.
I was actually surprised to see Faulk had played with Westgarth on Carolina. And that the Faulk/Malone incident was 7 years ago. Time flies.
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I believe one of those years we had Malone our record was really good when he was in the lineup and not so good when he was out. I have to assume our record when he crippled one of our best dmen wasn't so good.
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Gotcha. Malone is "kinda" still in the league. He's currently in the AHL and over the past few season's has spent the vast majority of time in the AHL.
16-17: Entire season in AHL
17-18: 56 AHL, 7 NHL
18-19: 43 AHL, 16 NHL
19-20: Entire season in the AHL
20-21: Entire season in the AHL
21-22: 52 AHL, 8 NHL
22-23: 32 AHL, 10 NHL
Still, like you said it's surprising that he's still getting some NHL time after all these years, even if it's very limited. Westgarth is 5-6 years older than Malone though and probably didn't want to try to hang on much longer in lower leagues once the NHL was done. Looks like he tried 1 season in the UK and then hung them up. An Ivy Leaguer who is married to Bill Cowher's daughter so might have a different perspective on things than Malone.
I guess the NHL still can't get post Malone.
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To be fair, it was Steve Downey, league should have given him a bonus for that.
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hblueridgegal
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Gearing up for the playoffs already...
Negan4Coach
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LOL, he’s dead now eh? Guess I didn’t get the memo
I mean Gleason I thought fit the bill pretty well for a while, but yeah Ferland was great.
I wonder if/when the Caps finally face reality if Wilson can be aquired
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Yes. Hitler is dead. Has been for some time now.
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It's a Deadapon article but it might actually be one of the most brutally honest assessments of our team that I've seen, and I have a very difficult time trying to argue anything they say.
Essentially, the team lacks a star scorer and is doomed because of it. Not a revelatory take. The writers over at the Athletic say it without directly saying it ("oomph") regularly.
The narrative about the defense is questionable. In the last 3 series in which the Canes have been eliminated, they've only given up 26 5v5 goals in 17 games. That's stingy. Special teams has been the difference. Is it that their attacking strategy doesn't work or is it that they've faced some really strong PPs in recent years (bad timing)?
Aho is a very good player. Very good players have led Cup winners offensively. Pre-prime Getzlaf, Krejci, O'Reilly and arguably Kopitar fall into that bucket. The defense/structure is there to have that one banner run, at least imo. If the expectation is dynastic success, then you'll likely end up being disappointed.
The narrative about the defense is questionable. In the last 3 series in which the Canes have been eliminated, they've only given up 26 5v5 goals in 17 games. That's stingy. Special teams has been the difference. Is it that their attacking strategy doesn't work or is it that they've faced some really strong PPs in recent years (bad timing)?
Aho is a very good player. Very good players have led Cup winners offensively. Pre-prime Getzlaf, Krejci, O'Reilly and arguably Kopitar fall into that bucket. The defense/structure is there to have that one banner run, at least imo. If the expectation is dynastic success, then you'll likely end up being disappointed.
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Last year’s team scored 9 goals 5v5 on the road last season. Got outscored by 4. Yet the expected outcome was close to the inverse, us 13.4 and others 9.8.
hblueridgegal
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For fans of both, an interesting compare and contrast piece on ownership and management styles.
Somebody else remembers the SI cover from 1994.
Of course, this was followed up with a lockout and they failed to build on 1994 effectively.
tarheelhockey
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Somebody else remembers the SI cover from 1994.
Of course, this was followed up with a lockout and they failed to build on 1994 effectively.
That Stanley Cup Final produced such great photographs.
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While I don't disagree with much of this article, I wanted to see if the data backs up this one assertion.
Defensively, it’s kind of the same story. The Canes are the most man-to-man team in their own zone, and they can be because all their d-men can really move along with their previously mentioned speedy forwards. They’re the team most capable of harassing players all over the d-zone. But when that extra effort kicks in for the opponents come the playoffs, the Canes don’t have an extra gear to kick to. They’ve already been playing it for seven months. And they lose just enough of those races or get beat just enough to lose.
When I look at 5v5 goals against the last 3 seasons combined.
Canes Playoff: 1.91 GA/60, 2.26 xGA/60
Canes Regular Season: 2.19 GA/60, 2.41 xGA/60
The data, on the whole, doesn't really support the assertion this writer makes, particularly because in the playoffs you aren't playing the bottom 1/2 of the NHL like you are in the regular season, you are playing teams like TBL, NYR, BOS, etc..
Looking at goals for:
Canes Playoff: 2.21 GF/60, 2.51 xGF/60
Canes Regular Season: 2.68 G/60, 2.86 GF/60
So scoring goals 5v5 had dropped off in the playoffs some. Playoff games are tighter 5v5 and you are playing better teams, so some drop is probably expected, but lack of elite skill is probably part of it as well. Still, on the whole, the drop isn't as dramatic as the article makes it out to be. Tampa scored at a rate of 2.78 in the regular season and 2.39 in the playoffs for example.
Special teams has been a killer in the playoffs. Last 3 seasons:
Canes playoffs: 14.7% PP, 76.8% PK
Canes Regular Season: 23.1% PP (5th best in the NHL), 85.9% PK (Best in the NHL)
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