GDT: NEW YORK RANGERS WIN NHL DRAFT LOTTERY

[Shesterkybomb]

Just woke up with a crazy idea. We trade for the #2 pick. Lafraniere and Byfield. We need a 2c and have a second first rounder and a ton of prospects for a potential trade. Go for it Gorts!

That is a crazy idea.

 

[mrmovies779]

Him and Kreider play the same position, its less of an issue because Kreider can switch sides which is what I feel will happen at some point, though imo I still wanna see them try Kreider at center, we need a big bodied 2c, he is already good at face-offs, has great speed and is a smart player. It would open that spot up for Laf if it worked and make Strome expendable. Kreider Panarin Kakko would be a nice 2nd line if it worked.

Kreider isnt a great playmaker though,and defensively-im not sure he can do the job.Kreider is best left on the wing where his speed and power can blow by/through d-man,not in the middle trying to set wingers up.

 

[Vitto79]

Just woke up with a crazy idea. We trade for the #2 pick and get Lafraniere and Byfield. We need a 2c and have a second first rounder and a ton of prospects for a potential trade. Go for it Gorts!

You crazy !
I do think that Carolina 1st is in play though

 

[Mugless]

That is a crazy idea.

What better place to talk about crazy ideas than right here, right now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider isnt a great playmaker though,and defensively-im not sure he can do the job.Kreider is best left on the wing where his speed and power can blow by/through d-man,not in the middle trying to set wingers up.

Its not about Kreider, its about making the team better. At some point very soon he will be a 3rd line LW, I'd rather fill a hole and keep him in the top 6 at the same time given he is signed here long term. What about his defensive play gives you pause, he is generally one of our better defensive forwards. If he can do the job we can move Strome and save that cap space.

 

[eco's bones]

So, here's the thing then. If you like Sanderson that much, would you consider dealing:

Lafreniere

for

Byfield/Stutzle
Sanderson

I mean, if Sanderson ends up a Ryan Suter and Byfield a Barkov or Stutzle a Marner--that's a sweet haul for a LW--even an elite (Pastrnak level one).

It seems like we were batting around this very scenario about a week ago. I had a kind of enforced vacation from here for a month or so and in that time I've spent some time going over this draft. Sanderson was pretty much top 10 through the first half of the year and then it seems like his game had a big surge--even his offense really picked up. He is one of three and the only defenseman to get rated a 9 on skating by the NHL draft black book--the other two were Stutzle and Foudy. 'Safe, reliable, eats minutes, great interview, no mistakes, offense is improved, fantastic skater, etc.' is how the main guy at the black book describes him.

To me even if he doesn't put up a lot of offense--we have D that can do that anyway. One of our main problems is really cleaning up our own zone--stopping the running around and the lost coverages. I get the Miller to Seth Jones comparison but Miller switching to D from forward at 14/15 years old is part of the issue with him still needing to catch up on some things. His size and skating and ability to recover quickly are real assets though--still I think we're going to see little reminders of Brady Skjei's mercurial defending now and again from Miller that are not going to be an issue with someone like Sanderson.

From Ottawa's point of view---you're looking at getting one of Stutzle or Byfield with a very good chance that Sanderson will be there at 5 and if not your Alfie reincarnation of Lucas Raymond. Byfield's big, a center and a great skater and he's one of the youngest players in the draft. Stutzle is also fantastic and another elite skater. So if I'm the Ottawa GM I'm pretty comfortable sitting where I'm sitting. Lafreniere would be a big score but if I'm asking I'm trying to keep Brady Tkachuk and the #5 OA out of it. I'm thinking the #3, the #22 and something else like a young player or a second rounder or two (of which they have four).

 

[mrmovies779]

Its not about Kreider, its about making the team better. At some point very soon he will be a 3rd line LW, I'd rather fill a hole and keep him in the top 6 at the same time given he is signed here long term. What about his defensive play gives you pause, he is generally one of our better defensive forwards.

Making the team better im all for,but not at the expense of moving Kreider completely out of position just to keep him in the top 6.Agree to disagree on his defense,asking him to do it as a center would be asking for trouble.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Making the team better im all for,but not at the expense of moving Kreider completely out of position just to keep him in the top 6.Agree to disagree on his defense,asking him to do it as a center would be asking for trouble.

There's not many players id attempt this with, kreider is a smart guy who wouldn't take long adjusting to this, I doubt it happens but it would be definitely worth a shot. It wouldn't be just to keep him in the top 6, it would free up 5 mill in cap, give us a big bodied 2c, and open up a spot on the lw for Laf. No matter what happens kreider is gonna have to move, he will likely end up on the right side of Zib or Panarin depending on how Kakko progresses.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Mikas line it is then!

Nah, remember the kid will be 19 in October. Let him play behind Kreider and Panarin. He doesn't have to come here and be the immediate savior. a 3rd line of Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko makes me happy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It seems like we were batting around this very scenario about a week ago. I had a kind of enforced vacation from here for a month or so and in that time I've spent some time going over this draft. Sanderson was pretty much top 10 through the first half of the year and then it seems like his game had a big surge--even his offense really picked up. He is one of three and the only defenseman to get rated a 9 on skating by the NHL draft black book--the other two were Stutzle and Foudy. 'Safe, reliable, eats minutes, great interview, no mistakes, offense is improved, fantastic skater, etc.' is how the main guy at the black book describes him.

To me even if he doesn't put up a lot of offense--we have D that can do that anyway. One of our main problems is really cleaning up our own zone--stopping the running around and the lost coverages. I get the Miller to Seth Jones comparison but Miller switching to D from forward at 14/15 years old is part of the issue with him still needing to catch up on some things. His size and skating and ability to recover quickly are real assets though--still I think we're going to see little reminders of Brady Skjei's mercurial defending now and again from Miller that are not going to be an issue with someone like Sanderson.

From Ottawa's point of view---you're looking at getting one of Stutzle or Byfield with a very good chance that Sanderson will be there at 5 and if not your Alfie reincarnation of Lucas Raymond. Byfield's big, a center and a great skater and he's one of the youngest players in the draft. Stutzle is also fantastic and another elite skater. So if I'm the Ottawa GM I'm pretty comfortable sitting where I'm sitting. Lafreniere would be a big score but if I'm asking I'm trying to keep Brady Tkachuk and the #5 OA out of it. I'm thinking the #3, the #22 and something else like a young player or a second rounder or two (of which they have four).

Yeah and thats why this trade doesn't happen.

One because I don't think Ottawa is dumb enough to overpay to the point where the pick is traded and two because the Rangers dont trade it for anything less than an absurd package.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Yeah and thats why this trade doesn't happen.

One because I don't think Ottawa is dumb enough to overpay to the point where the pick is traded and two because the Rangers dont trade it for anything less than an absurd package.

3rd, 5th, their pick from the Isles, their first next year. And, to be honest, I am not even sure that is enough.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yeahp keep taking your pot shots. You dont know when to quit. You have a compulsive disorder with having to go after people here for making suggestions on a message board. Someone send help...


Hey everyone, no one suggest potential roster moves unless you have provided a full breakdown of every single move AND the cap calculations and implications of all moves. Otherwise your ideas could never happen...just like how Panarin was NEVER signing with the Rangers... also this is the same guy who wanted to discredit Igor Eronko when he broke the news about the 24 team playoff format very early on because we (again on a message board) shouldnt have been discussing any scenarios until the words officially left Gary Bettman’s mouth.

What a strange bird.

Zibby, Fox, Kakko, etc will fit under your $180 million dollar proposed roster

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Havent had a #1 pick in 55 years and people talk about trading it.

Same people that prolly say we are terrible at drafting yet want to pass on a slam dunk.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Havent had a #1 pick in 55 years and people talk about trading it.

Same people that prolly say we are terrible at drafting yet want to pass on a slam dunk.

Not sure if it is meant for me, but no I do not want it traded. IF Ottawa calls, want Gorton to set the price so high that it doesn't get done. And, if it does, ok. My house is probably worth $500K-ish (no idea why, I wouldnt pay that much for it). If someone knocks on my door and offers me $2MM, I am of course taking it. $525K? No, not worth the effort.

 

[Mikos87]

I say this cautiously, because it can quickly go off the rails, but I've had several people outside the Rangers describe him as having quite a bit of Mark Messier in him. Potentially as a 30-40 goal, 60-70 assist kind of player, and potentially as competitor.

What you're describing is the complete confidence Lafreniere has in what he's doing. The great ones have that.

Brooks asked him what he sees in himself as a player as far as his strengths go. One of the things he mentioned is leadership.

The dirty hits with a casually indifferent look-back is there too. Looks just like Messier there. So much to like about this player.

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah and thats why this trade doesn't happen.

One because I don't think Ottawa is dumb enough to overpay to the point where the pick is traded and two because the Rangers dont trade it for anything less than an absurd package.

Personally I'd want Tkachuk and a guarantee of Byfield or Stutzle......and then I'd have to think about it. I will say that would clean up our center issue.

I do expect Ottawa to ask. They have too many assets (draft picks, prospects) not to and Lafreniere is somewhat close to being from the general neighborhood.

 

[Kovalev27]

Not moving CK to center that’s absurd. He can move to right wing if need be.

the two guys I’d like to see get a crack at center just to see what they do are Kravtsov and Lafreniere if anything. Kravtsov

Kravtsov a lot like kuznetsov who moved over later showed me a lot in that world junior. His offense dropped off a bit but it was because he was the most responsible guy on the ice. He took his two way game to another level when he went to center. I like him there would like to see that given another shot as he matures

Lafreniere (and by the way messier moved to center from LW good comparison) I mean how could you not want to see him at center with his vision? He passes the puck as well on the back hand as he does the forehand. His skating and defensive game has improved drastically in the last year. I know his fav players are Kane and Panarin but he is not either of those guys. He has more to his game including the size and grit they don’t. While they are probably slicker players.

most likely he stays at wing but I think you’re doing your franchise a disservice by not giving him reps at center as well to see what he can be there.

 

[NYSPORTS]

From Ottawa's point of view---you're looking at getting one of Stutzle or Byfield with a very good chance that Sanderson will be there at 5 and if not your Alfie reincarnation of Lucas Raymond. Byfield's big, a center and a great skater and he's one of the youngest players in the draft. Stutzle is also fantastic and another elite skater. So if I'm the Ottawa GM I'm pretty comfortable sitting where I'm sitting. Lafreniere would be a big score but if I'm asking I'm trying to keep Brady Tkachuk and the #5 OA out of it. I'm thinking the #3, the #22 and something else like a young player or a second rounder or two (of which they have four).

Ottawa has to find comfort in their position yet cannot be happy. If the Senators offer the #3 overall and Brady Tkachuk I think that’s all we need to know about Laf. Keep the gift and figure out how else to find a Center.

 

[Kovalev27]

The absolute hands down very best part of adding LAF is we can now say that K'Andre's giveaway at the WJC's was actually just a saucer pass to his future teammate.

funny the kid got tortured for it but now that I spent all night watching Lafrenyr highlights he takes pucks from Dmen like that religiously

 

[NYSPORTS]

Personally I'd want Tkachuk and a guarantee of Byfield or Stutzle......and then I'd have to think about it. I will say that would clean up our center issue.

I do expect Ottawa to ask. They have too many assets (draft picks, prospects) not to and Lafreniere is somewhat close to being from the general neighborhood.

you have to ask for a Hershal Walker deal to move this pick IMO. I go with the best player otherwise.

 

[Rob Brown]

Congrats guys!

Random question that I don't know if any of you will know the answer to, but figured you may have discussed it. Can the Rangers bring Laf into NYC early before the draft to have him skate with players, coaching staff, even if it's unofficially? Or is that considered tampering in some capacity?

 

[CHGoalie27]

...did our ball swoop in...

FROM THE SIDE??

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not moving CK to center that’s absurd. He can move to right wing if need be.

the two guys I’d like to see get a crack at center just to see what they do are Kravtsov and Lafreniere if anything. Kravtsov

Kravtsov a lot like kuznetsov who moved over later showed me a lot in that world junior. His offense dropped off a bit but it was because he was the most responsible guy on the ice. He took his two way game to another level when he went to center. I like him there would like to see that given another shot as he matures

Lafreniere (and by the way messier moved to center from LW good comparison) I mean how could you not want to see him at center with his vision? He passes the puck as well on the back hand as he does the forehand. His skating and defensive game has improved drastically in the last year. I know his fav players are Kane and Panarin but he is not either of those guys. He has more to his game including the size and grit they don’t. While they are probably slicker players.

most likely he stays at wing but I think you’re doing your franchise a disservice by not giving him reps at center as well to see what he can be there.

I don't think they will put two guys that never played an NHL game in a position they aren't familiar with, you want those guys to come in and be comfortable. Absurd indeed.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Congrats guys!

Random question that I don't know if any of you will know the answer to, but figured you may have discussed it. Can the Rangers bring Laf into NYC early before the draft to have him skate with players, coaching staff, even if it's unofficially? Or is that considered tampering in some capacity?

He can't do any on ice stuff with us until we draft him. If a few players rent the ice and practice together that's a different thing.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Congrats guys!

Random question that I don't know if any of you will know the answer to, but figured you may have discussed it. Can the Rangers bring Laf into NYC early before the draft to have him skate with players, coaching staff, even if it's unofficially? Or is that considered tampering in some capacity?

i believe they have interview process but as far as a tour i think that happens once they get drafted? i could be wrong though