GDT: NEW YORK RANGERS WIN NHL DRAFT LOTTERY

[gravey9]

The impact of this pick on the roster cannot be overstated. So many ways this roster can go. Thoughts and Questions for everyone:

1 - Getting Laf creates flexibility to make trades. But is it smart to make too many moves before we see how things shake out with chemistry, etc?
2 - Team likely more willing to move guys like Buchnevich, Kravtsov, Strome and Georgy as well as our other 1st round pick.
3 - Still feel like Strome is going to be re-signed. I bet he will take a team friendly deal too. i think he wants to stay as I'm not sure he is as valued elsewhere as he is here. If he is kept, he's merely a stop gap. But an upgrade at 2c and LD are the likely trade targets.
4 - Does this make Hank re-think any retirement plans? I have a feeling his desire to stay with the team may have gone up in the last 6 hours
5 - And likewise, does this make Georgy more likely to be dealt in a bigger deal?
6 - I think we will at least inquire about Eichel, Barzal and Nylander, but I'd rather focus our efforts on solidifying the D. I don't think we need another very dynamic center, I think we have wingers who can drive the car. I think we need to think about balance. An established, reliable 2nd-pairing LD is what we need. Someone who can play up until Miller/Robertson/Lindgren are ready to assume first pairing.
7. One of Staal or Smith has to go.
8. A really interesting aspect to drafting Lafreniere.... at some point in the near future our big offensive lines might be driven from the wings. Panarin, Laf, Kakko, Buch and Kravtsov are all distributors. There's not a pure Gartner or Amonte in the lot. And our best Cs - Zib and Chytil - are closer to power forwards by comparison.
9. I really want to see Gauthier on a line with high end talent where he gets to be the puck retriever, net front presence. Wouldn't mind seeing Laf, Gauthier and Chytil on a line. They could really cycle the crud out of teams. But then again that might be the most defensively irresponsible line in hockey.

 

[Nickmo82]

HF main board thread on the draft

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Allegedly?

In this case and more casually spoken, it's like "nah, I can't /don't believe it"

Allegedly in a court sense would be "mutmaßlich"

 

[BBKers]

Yes, if we wanted to win we should have started an injured Igor who didnt do any better than Hank when healthy.

There are no tricks to this. We sucked. We deserve this pick.

Lack of humor you have, alarming it is. Peach is for you

 

[Winland]

Couldn't be happier about this! Congrats! Can't wait to see Kakko - Lafrenyr

 

[Rangers394]

The impact of this pick on the roster cannot be overstated. So many ways this roster can go. Thoughts and Questions for everyone:

1 - Getting Laf creates flexibility to make trades. But is it smart to make too many moves before we see how things shake out with chemistry, etc?
2 - Team likely more willing to move guys like Buchnevich, Kravtsov, Strome and Georgy as well as our other 1st round pick.
3 - Still feel like Strome is going to be re-signed. I bet he will take a team friendly deal too. i think he wants to stay as I'm not sure he is as valued elsewhere as he is here. If he is kept, he's merely a stop gap. But an upgrade at 2c and LD are the likely trade targets.
4 - Does this make Hank re-think any retirement plans? I have a feeling his desire to stay with the team may have gone up in the last 6 hours
5 - And likewise, does this make Georgy more likely to be dealt in a bigger deal?
6 - I think we will at least inquire about Eichel, Barzal and Nylander, but I'd rather focus our efforts on solidifying the D. I don't think we need another very dynamic center, I think we have wingers who can drive the car. I think we need to think about balance. An established, reliable 2nd-pairing LD is what we need. Someone who can play up until Miller/Robertson/Lindgren are ready to assume first pairing.
7. One of Staal or Smith has to go.
8. A really interesting aspect to drafting Lafreniere.... at some point in the near future our big offensive lines might be driven from the wings. Panarin, Laf, Kakko, Buch and Kravtsov are all distributors. There's not a pure Gartner or Amonte in the lot. And our best Cs - Zib and Chytil - are closer to power forwards by comparison.
9. I really want to see Gauthier on a line with high end talent where he gets to be the puck retriever, net front presence. Wouldn't mind seeing Laf, Gauthier and Chytil on a line. They could really cycle the crud out of teams. But then again that might be the most defensively irresponsible line in hockey.

Why on earth would this team inquire about any of those guys you mentioned? Makes no sense

 

[Didalee Hed]

I’m a Canucks guy.

My HELL NO list originally was:

Toronto
Edmonton
Pittsburgh
Winnipeg
Minnesota
Nashville
New York
Florida

Realizing a Minnesota win was a Canucks win(were Canucks to be in this lottery), the new HELL NO list was:

Toronto
Minnesota
Edmonton
Pittsburgh
Winnipeg
Nashville
New York
Florida

So, all in all, not a bad outcome! Your team winning the pick preserved oilers and leafs’ ousters as absolutely fantastic days.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

For those that missed very, very good interview:

Couple of pointers; Is Jeff OK? Sounds like heartburn at first, then you realize it’s the entire freaking video.

Last question in the interview. Around the 8:50 minute mark. Interesting shit. Very.

 

[Rempe73]

first let me say I was just acting a fool a day ago saying I’d like Byfield. Now that it’s real like actually real something I could never imagine you absolutely take lafreniere. Doesn’t even matter who you have on your current roster. This is a franchise altering 15 year player. You build around this guy not the other way around.

weve already got a number one center that’s the toughest guy to get and he’ll be that guy for 5 years. Having to find a number 2 C? We’ll find one if Chytil isn’t already it. You could put a lot of guys between Panarin and Kakko or Lafreniere and they’ll put up 70 plus pts minimum.

it’s Lafreniere. And you don’t hesitate. This has never happened to us before. This kid runs circles around Kakko or Hughes. This is no friggen joke.

I’m a HUGE Byfield guy. I’ve loved him all year, and would do almost anything to have him. But Lafreniere is no doubt better and it’s gotta be him.

 

[Machinehead]

 

[Rempe73]

For those that missed very, very good interview:

Couple of pointers; Is Jeff OK? Sounds like heartburn at first, then you realize it’s the entire freaking video.

Last question in the interview. Around the 8:50 minute mark. Interesting shit. Very.

Is it that he wants to add a C? I hope he doesn’t move that 1OA for one.

 

[Doctyl]

Is it that he wants to add a C? I hope he doesn’t move that 1OA for one.

Not at all what he said

 

[Rempe73]

Not at all what he said

Maybe I have to watch it again. He was kind of all over the place. But it has to do with getting a C, right?

 

[Machinehead]

Not at all what he said

I couldn't tell, he was burping up an entire cow.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Is it that he wants to add a C? I hope he doesn’t move that 1OA for one.

The question at C didn’t come up until the last question in the interview. And it had nothing to do with the 1st OA.

I couldn't tell, he was burping up an entire cow.

Really bad Heartburn.

Like.... Dude......

Avoid: Chocolate, tomatoes, tomato sauces, oranges, pineapple and grapefruit, mint, coffee, alcohol, carbonated beverages, and black pepper before, arguably, the biggest interview a GM has given us.

 

[Rangers394]

For some reason, the video was stopping every few seconds so i couldn't really hear it but from what i did hear, it was your typical interview. He isn't giving anything away. He doesn't mention much about Lafreniere but i guess i wouldn't expect him to? Just hope there isn't anything behind that but i'm just paranoid

 

[Doctyl]

For some reason, the video was stopping every few seconds so i couldn't really hear it but from what i did hear, it was your typical interview. He isn't giving anything away. He doesn't mention much about Lafreniere but i guess i wouldn't expect him to? Just hope there isn't anything behind that but i'm just paranoid

He said they didn’t even meet with him because they didn’t want to waste his time before having the top pick

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Player big P]

When the Oilers won the lottery for McDavid, there was a gif floating around that I can't find of a Simpsons clip where everyone is watching a car wreck...it pans slowly across a bunch of horrified people, choking down vomit, all labeled with different team logos, before finally settling on Homer, as the Oilers, smiling all delighted. I need that but with the Rangers as Homer.

 

[426ers]

For those that missed very, very good interview:

Couple of pointers; Is Jeff OK? Sounds like heartburn at first, then you realize it’s the entire freaking video.

Last question in the interview. Around the 8:50 minute mark. Interesting shit. Very.

Could be acid reflux.

 

[bernmeister]

Are you serious about Nieves?

yes feel free to conver me

 

[FIRE DRURY]

yes feel free to conver me

Bern.. We really do love you bud.. But we’re not trading out of the 1st OA pick.

Keep your proposals realistic. Have fun, but No 1st OA, Lord Enron garbage.

 

[ManByng]

I couldn't tell, he was burping up an entire cow.

must have eaten some bad brisket

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

They sould Tweet back "Always a pleasure" if Carolina gets bounced in the next round, and then again when they make their selection with Carolina's pick.

Unfortunately, while Carolina’s social media team is outstanding, ours suffers from Dolan-itis.

 

[bernmeister]

....and I mean none of this as an insult, you're clearly a really smart guy and a gem on these boards, and I really do like a lot of your takes on things.

Thank you for the kind conclusion.

As to the rest of it, I regret there is insufficient clarity for you to get me.

As to:
Listen. I understand the bernmeister novelty of all Rangers discussion.
I don't post to be novel, or get attention.
I post to offer constructive opinion.
I make no concessions either way if it is outside the box [and even if very far outside the box] or not.


You come in, throw in a wild off the wall proposal which has both teams trading half of their rosters with a bunch of picks and conditions.
As to off the wall, do not be afraid to reinvent the wheel.
That is a good bit of what contributes to progress.

A lot of deals are large. We are now firmly in a hard cap league and it happens that it is rare that fewer pieces offer equal value, setting aside for a moment you usually do not trade for equal value, but a profit of one kind or another.
More specifically, while the objective is to profit whether it is talent added or cap space maximized, deals ideally hope for some level of balance, but it is increasingly difficult for GMs to achieve this.
The fewer the pieces, the more one exec or the other is getting a less precisely equal deal. Hence you see good faith adds of a 2nd for a 3rd.
The other thing is now instead of one large deal, you see 2 deals or more. Case proving the point: TB-NYR.
We have deal for McDonagh, then Stevie Y puts a gun to our heads and we do Miller for Namest, which is a killer.

So the conclusion here is pls do not chastise me for recognizing there IS complexity and trying to work with that reality.


I also understand you have your love of players who just aren't good (Hannifin, Nieves) and a weird dislike of players who are good (ADA).
I get you are a fan of ADA. Nothing wrong with all of us having faves. That said, we have to be open minded about who we keep and why, and who, if it makes more sense, we trade.

We upped value on ADA. We need his mins to go to Hajek and Rykov at min and possibly K'Andre if he is ready. Other LDs knockin at the door. Nils L only sent away for a year so he gets max mins.
Translation: we can't afford to keep him; we need his $ for others emerging [elcs -> rfas] and Zib. Also need his mins. Hence, while we are not giving him away, he MUST be traded.
This is on top of the complications caused by the exp drft
The only alternative to keeping ADA short term was to move Trouba to DET. Now that door is closed effective July 1.
ADA has to go.

Hanifin I liked but not sure why you went there.

Nieves is another story.
Never said he was a Kreider, a lifer to be for many years, whole career w/NYR.
Consider(ed) him stopgap until Baron or others arrive.
My whole pt there was there is a model, and he fits the model.
Now prove that the theory doesn't work in practice, which is possible, because even w/complementary fits on paper, chemistry is a huge factor.
But, esp since all 3 guys are here and we don't have to spend anything to acquire anybody, give it a shot.

The kid was never given a fair shot, and the Ws he had were black holes.
Then, really raising my ire, we gave primo mins w/primo talent to that effin ingrate Lias.

So yeah, on that one, I do not stand down, I am correct and Rangers braintrust is wrong.
It is also fair to pt out that even just as a 4th liner, Nieves, who at least is clearly def responsible, suggests he was a better choice than fogarty, DiG, and possibly also McKegg.


All of these things are just part of the bernmeister package, and we love you for it.
It's nice to know you're loved.
I'm a child of the 60s, take it from me, and The Beatles: love is all you need.

I just don't understand why, as a Rangers fan, your trade proposals are always awful for the Rangers.
Disagree, and "always" is pushing it.


Every bernmeister trade proposal has the NYR giving away assets.
And we are supposed to profit and get better assets by not trading away (any) assets? Of (signif) value?

You suck me in with your intros and then lose me at the end of the proposal. It's almost like reliving the final season of Lost with every proposal.
All I'm asking is for like 1 or 2 trade proposals per week in which the NYR come out on top. GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH BERN!!
As ever, I will do my best.
Hopefully the improved fortunes of our beloved Rangers will make it easier to construct asset upgrades.

peace out.