Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Detroit Red Wings - December 29

[bl02]

I will admit it does NJ want shatty still and we can gladly welcome another college player in Butcher?
I am still a Shatty fan but if he doesn't help pp its tough to see where he fits in long term plans for this team

 

[Ori]

Not Zucc`s best game even though he created something, but Nash should score as well on that PP if he had his stick on the ice and ready. Miller should score at least 1 time on those two great chances, and Brady Skjei had couple of juicy chances with penalty Howard played very well too, but overall not a great overall game by us and our top 6 guys.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Oh give me a frickin break dude. You know there's two sides in the shootout, yes? How many times can you win a shootout without scoring?

Considering the first two attempts were a joke and the third one missed the net, if he plays like even an average shootout goalie this goes into a 4th round. The second side of the shootout didn't do anything better than us other than have the much better shootout goalie. The dude gives up at least one goal in a shootout that goes straight through him. If it were Biron out there you'd probably have a different take on it. He's about as good as Biron in the shootout nowadays. Went from the best in the league early on in his career to steadily declining to what he is now, a guy that I'd rather sit for our backup in the shootout.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

There was a time when Lundqvist would go 3 for 3 regularly in shootouts. The one goal he gave up was ****. The one save he made was nothing special. And the third attempt he was beat so bad he jock strap was hanging on the net.

You're just being selective with what you're looking at. You can't say "oh he has to go 3-3 every single time" every shootout is different. He got beat by the shootout jedi in Nielsen, how about his team provides him some support?

Wanna over analyze every attempt, let's do it for the Rangers considering they couldn't score. 1.) Zucc waited until he was too close and forced a shot directly into Howard instead of making a move. Howard didn't even have to move. 2.) Zibanejad missed the net. 3.) Shatty made a bunch of moves until he was too close and put it in the outside of the net, Howard didn't even have to touch it.

And as for getting faked out by Hank Z, who cares if it didn't go in? I don't care if he gets deked out of the crease on every attempt if they don't go in.

 

[Loff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPbeDEve0X4

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Buch is stuck playing with weak *** Desharnais and vesey. Neither of whom are at all suited to his game. There's no reason for him to not be playing with Zbad or Nash.

 

[bl02]

Some really dumb players on this team.

And shattenkirk needs to be ALOT better. I don’t care what he does in his zone but he needs to put up pts. He’s been garbage for a month now.

Miller is an idiot. I love the kid but he’s an idiot. Doesn’t bear down in scoring positions.

Ryan Mcdonagh sucks. Sorry but he does. My fav player on this team but his play has been flat out unacceptable. Go try and make a play Ryan. Zero goals? Unacceptable. Horrible worst guy on the ice

Would it be fair to say Brady is catching up if not already there? I mean everyone Skjei plays with looks decent with him

 

[PuckLuck3043]

They can also lose to any team in East in a 7 game series.

That goes for practically every team in the east.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Considering the first two attempts were a joke and the third one missed the net, if he plays like even an average shootout goalie this goes into a 4th round. The second side of the shootout didn't do anything better than us other than have the much better shootout goalie. The dude gives up at least one goal in a shootout that goes straight through him. If it were Biron out there you'd probably have a different take on it. He's about as good as Biron in the shootout nowadays. Went from the best in the league early on in his career to steadily declining to what he is now, a guy that I'd rather sit for our backup in the shootout.

So you're saying the average shootout goalie goes 3 for 3 in every shootout. Okay man.

Calling the first attempt a joke is ridiculous. Why, because it went in?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Buch is stuck playing with weak *** Desharnais and vesey. Neither of whom are at all suited to his game. There's no reason for him to not be playing with Zbad or Nash.

Stop making excuses. Vesey and DD are not playing poorly.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

They just beat Washington 2-0 in a shootout.

Yes, but that doesn't change my analysis of their overall performance shooting in the shootout.

 

[Irishguy42]

Question: Why is Hayes getting no PP time? Like...he's never on the PP

I'd think he'd be good there.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Team still looks malaised. Too much alcohol and food over the holidays.

I'm not ready to go on the sell wagon yet, but keep in mind that last place in the division is only 5 points or three regulation losses and three Philly wins away. Kreider is out until the trade deadline.

Buchnevich at this point should be assigned to Hartford, he's been that bad. I don't know who should/can be called up in his place.

 

[Ori]

It feels so bad to lose before christmas & New Years EvE on sunday. I`m glad we are playing on monday - we need short memory here before the match against Buffalo - an outdoor game. And hopefully AV change some lines again, because I`m not happy with our current lines, Buch is completely invisible and it`s not only his fault.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Stop making excuses. Vesey and DD are not playing poorly.

I don't think Vesey and DD are good, but Buch has not been playing well way before being put with them.

 

[Kaapo Kakko]

We need to start winning some games 4-1 or 5-1. We've played too many games that have gone to overtime or a shootout that really had no business going there. Rangers always seem to play down to their opponents, though. And why are they coming out unprepared EVERY game? The other team outshoots them 10-1 in the first 5 minutes EVERY game. That's on the coach. Come out and take it to the other team for once. Geez.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

It doesn't matter when I post it. The fact is that this team is mediocre to the core.

I hate the connotation of "mediocre".

In the best case scenario, the current Roster is 1 std dev. from the mean [i.e. average to slightly above average.

I'm aware of the denotation of the word mediocre, but I don't think most people are using mediocre for the standard definition.

 

[mrmovies779]

Considering the first two attempts were a joke and the third one missed the net, if he plays like even an average shootout goalie this goes into a 4th round. The second side of the shootout didn't do anything better than us other than have the much better shootout goalie. The dude gives up at least one goal in a shootout that goes straight through him. If it were Biron out there you'd probably have a different take on it. He's about as good as Biron in the shootout nowadays. Went from the best in the league early on in his career to steadily declining to what he is now, a guy that I'd rather sit for our backup in the shootout.

Hot takes...come get your hot takes!! So much tragically wrong in this post.Not surprising though.

 

[Irishguy42]

Team still looks malaised. Too much alcohol and food over the holidays.

I'm not ready to go on the sell wagon yet, but keep in mind that last place in the division is only 5 points or three regulation losses and three Philly wins away. Kreider is out until the trade deadline.

Buchnevich at this point should be assigned to Hartford, he's been that bad. I don't know who should/can be called up in his place.

I'm at least intrigued by the thought of a Buchnevich-Chytil-Lettieri line in the AHL...

But no. Buchnevich isn't being sent to Hartford. He's definitively part of the "core" of the team, from all the sound bites we've heard from management and the coaching staff. And they don't send down a player like that. Last year, that wasn't the case. This year though...he is.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

They can also lose to any team in East in a 7 game series.

In today's NHL that is the case for literally every team in the league.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Team still looks malaised. Too much alcohol and food over the holidays.

I'm not ready to go on the sell wagon yet, but keep in mind that last place in the division is only 5 points or three regulation losses and three Philly wins away. Kreider is out until the trade deadline.

Buchnevich at this point should be assigned to Hartford, he's been that bad. I don't know who should/can be called up in his place.

Why would you want to sell? You should also keep in mind that they are only 5 points out of first as well. This is the way it's going to be all year.

 

[bl02]

We need to start winning some games 4-1 or 5-1. We've played too many games that have gone to overtime or a shootout that really had no business going there. Rangers always seem to play down to their opponents, though. And why are they coming out unprepared EVERY game? The other team outshoots them 10-1 in the first 5 minutes EVERY game. That's on the coach. Come out and take it to the other team for once. Geez.

I wish we could win games 5-1 but its painfully obvious we are not good enough to do that except on a rare occasion. I think its a pretty amazing fact we never really get blown out like many other teams. Even teams in playoff contention. I think the only game I can think of where we were completely blown out was Toronto game 2 of the season (if you want to consider that a blow out)

 

[mrmovies779]

Buchnevich at this point should be assigned to Hartford, he's been that bad. I don't know who should/can be called up in his place.

Buch seems drained out there.Showing no kind of strength, losing battles on the boards easily,weak on his skates.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We need to start winning some games 4-1 or 5-1. We've played too many games that have gone to overtime or a shootout that really had no business going there. Rangers always seem to play down to their opponents, though. And why are they coming out unprepared EVERY game? The other team outshoots them 10-1 in the first 5 minutes EVERY game. That's on the coach. Come out and take it to the other team for once. Geez.

They need to start finishing their chances and to start shooting when they have the puck in prime areas instead of forcing passes to try and make the perfect play. This has been going on for years now though so I think it's just the makeup of our core forwards to always try and force passes for the perfect play. Far too many times a player will get the puck in a perfect spot to shoot but automatically try and defer. If you're going to do that every time, you better start finishing your chances or else this is what happens. Bad teams hang in close and take you to overtime and win.

As for the starts, it's a joke. If Henrik wasn't ready to play every night (and Pavs for that matter) these games would be over before they even start. Hank had 2 breakaway saves and other grade A scoring chances to stop in the first 10 minutes. If we still had Hank of last season this team would be in the basement. But he's keeping them afloat and giving them a chance to get their legs. They just need to start finishing. Kreider being out certainly isn't going to help that.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You're just being selective with what you're looking at. You can't say "oh he has to go 3-3 every single time" every shootout is different. He got beat by the shootout jedi in Nielsen, how about his team provides him some support?

Wanna over analyze every attempt, let's do it for the Rangers considering they couldn't score. 1.) Zucc waited until he was too close and forced a shot directly into Howard instead of making a move. Howard didn't even have to move. 2.) Zibanejad missed the net. 3.) Shatty made a bunch of moves until he was too close and put it in the outside of the net, Howard didn't even have to touch it.

And as for getting faked out by Hank Z, who cares if it didn't go in? I don't care if he gets deked out of the crease on every attempt if they don't go in.

1) I never said he has to go 3 for 3 in every shootout. All I said is that he used to do it regularly and then a few years into his career even as the rest of his game improved he just fell off a cliff in the shootout. I literally tracked in 11-12 to see how many 3 for 3 games he'll have and he had 0. He went numerous games to start the 06-07 season where he gave up 0. There was a game against the Flyers where he went like 10 rounds and didn't give up a shootout goal. Something happened in his career where I bet he stopped practicing them as much. He went from amazing to average to what he is now: awful.

2) I don't care what our players did, that is completely irrelevant to Lundqvist's performance. Besides, Lundqvist had maybe a 10% more difficult time than Howard. Lundqvist is a future HOFer, Howard will be forgotten the day after he retires.

3) Who cares that Z missed the net? Well, you said that Lundqvist made 2 of 3 stops, he didn't. One of those "stops" is not something you can friggin credit Lundqvist for. Z missed the damn net. That's not a stop. And this wasn't a miss where the goalie gives the guy nothing to shoot at. Lundqvist was a sitting (or laying in this case) duck there. The puck just kind of rolled off Z's stick. And you also JUST criticized Zibenejad for missing the net. So in order to take away from Lundqvist's blame you mention an attempt by a Ranger that missed the net but when criticizing Lundqvist it doesn't matter that the Wing missed the net?