Glen Sathers Cigar
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Exactly. That's the NHL these days. With the loser point combined with the ridiculous parity across the league it's going to be like this all season. That's just how it is these days.
Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at Detroit Red Wings - December 29
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Who the hell said the average shootout goalie goes 3 for 3 in every shootout? An average shootout goalie would have gone 3 for 3 in THIS shootout. And no not because it went in. Because the puck went through him again, with no move, nothing. Just a straight shot through the legs, Biron style.
How is it hot takes? This has been going on for years. This season he's been awful again in the shootout.
eco's bones
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Shattenkirk's not been playing well and not been helping the offense. Zibanejad hasn't put up any points since coming back either. Nash playing well lately but no production either.
Congrats to Lettieri on his first game and first goal. Very nice play by Vesey to set up Desharnais. Skjei is getting better and better. Hayes was excellent too.
One of the worst penalty calls of the year on Smith in the closing minutes of the third.
Congrats to Lettieri on his first game and first goal. Very nice play by Vesey to set up Desharnais. Skjei is getting better and better. Hayes was excellent too.
One of the worst penalty calls of the year on Smith in the closing minutes of the third.
Biron gives up that goal and it would have been post after post about how the guy can't shut his legs. But because it's Lundqvist as always everyone gangs the f*** up on me because people have an emotional connection to the guy. I'm sorry, this has been a great bounce back season for him. He's been excellent after the start of the season. But in the shootout I say it how it is. He f***ing blows.
Buchnevich has been the worst player on every line he’s been on lately. He would be sitting if we had extra forwards.
I’d flip Lettieri with him for Monday. Let him work thru it on the 4th line like he’s done in the past
My main concern though is Ryan Mcdonagh we should be a much better team if our number one D was playing at all like one. Zero goals 38 games in? Embarrassing.
I’d flip Lettieri with him for Monday. Let him work thru it on the 4th line like he’s done in the past
My main concern though is Ryan Mcdonagh we should be a much better team if our number one D was playing at all like one. Zero goals 38 games in? Embarrassing.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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You're just completely missing the point. I'm not deflecting blame from Lundqvist by mention a Ranger missing the net. I'm stating that the Rangers didn't score.
You literally can't win the shootout if you don't score.
You're saying what our players did is irrelevant to Lundqvist's performance, which is true. However, it's obviously not irrelevant to the result of the game, which is what I care about.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
I will let you borrow my equipment if you would agree to play just one game of organized ice hockey as a goalie.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
I think McD should be traded if there is a team willing to pay through the nose for him. His play peaked during the cup finals run and hasn't approached that level since.
PuckLuck3043
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I find it amusing when we lose everybody just loses it. Trade this guy, send this guy down, sell everybody. We got a point and were lucky to do that with the horrible officiating tonight. With so much parity in the league lesser teams beat better teams on any given night. Look at tonight. Philly beat Tampa in Tampa, Buffalo beat NJ in NJ, Ottawa beat CBJ. This sh*t happens all the time.
Embryo
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That is not my concern, my concern is getting into the playoffs. And then we'll see.
But asking Lundqvist to go 3 for 3 in a particular shootout in general is not asking THAT much (not asking for it in every game). This is not the same as losing 1-0 and being upset that he didn't get a shutout. Going 3 for 3 in a particular shootout is not that impossible of a task. Obviously won't happen every game but saying well we didn't score on the 3 attempts so he's absolved of the blame for the loss since it's unfair to expect 3 for 3 in a shootout is setting the bar very low. Going 3 for 3 in a shootout happens all the damn time. And in THAT shootout it was even less of an impossible task. The only player that did anything worth noting in that shootout missed the net.
Yes, it`s strange that Ryan Mc. have 0 goals after 33 games, but he had some great assist and vintage plays though in his defense. Maybe it`s a mental thing since he injured Zucc some years ago. Any have stats on it - maybe he shoot much less than usual after that incident, and he usually aiming for a deflection from the blueline?
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Re bolded: I'm beginning to think you don't understand goaltending.
Come in with speed and freeze the goalie and place a perfect shot through his 5 hole. Apparently that's nothing. Alright. I guess players like Crosby or Gaborik have been scoring nothing goals their whole careers, just bad goaltending.
Whatever, if Hank is gonna be worse at something I'd rather it be the shootout anyway. He's been playing amazing all season in the actual hockey portions of the games and that's what matters to me anyway. Arguing over the shootout is a waste of time.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
I think you are full of shit......"beginning"?
He's not the only one either. Any non shutout results in criticism from the usual suspects.
@Glen Sathers Cigar
Last year goalies had a 0.686 save percentage average in a shootout. 0.686^3 is 0.323. So once every three games the average shootout goalie should go 3 for 3. Is this really such an impossible task?
P.S. Last year Hank had a 0.556 save percentage in the shootout. That's a full 13% less than average.
Last year goalies had a 0.686 save percentage average in a shootout. 0.686^3 is 0.323. So once every three games the average shootout goalie should go 3 for 3. Is this really such an impossible task?
P.S. Last year Hank had a 0.556 save percentage in the shootout. That's a full 13% less than average.
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Irishguy42
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Frans Nielsen is like...one of the best shootout players. Ever.
Stop trivializing what that magician does as "nothing"
Stop trivializing what that magician does as "nothing"
Yes, compared to other options that's not that difficult of a save. This is all relative to other shootout attempts. I'm not comparing it to an unscreened wrist shot from the point. I'm sure all of the greats have scored goals like that. So what?
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
For those who don't know, that Nielsen shot is literally the toughest shot for a goalie to stop.
As Glen Sathers Cigar said, Crosby doesn't use it for no reason.
As Glen Sathers Cigar said, Crosby doesn't use it for no reason.
He's about 50% on a shit load of attempts. It's impressive. But he gets stopped half the time and this should have been one of those.
Zucc is amazing in his career too and his attempt today wasn't amazing. Just because you're good at something doesn't mean every time you do it it's the best attempt.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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I'm not saying it's an impossible task. You yourself keep referring to "this shootout" in particular. Alright, well look at the post I quoted above. At least apply that context, Nielsen is one of the best shootout players of all time. That wasn't a nothing shot, it was a good shootout shot by a great shootout player.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
Are you really blaming Lundqvist for this loss because he only stopped 2 of 3 shots in the SO? He was great in this game and he's been great most of the season. End of story.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Yeah, I'm not sure why more players don't use that blue print more often. Coming in with speed and getting the goalie to try and match you moving backwards making him off balance and going between the legs or stick side with a quick shot. That's what I'd like to see more often. Slowing it down and making a bunch of dekes is harder on the player and creates more room for error. Maybe come in with speed and if the shot isn't there then make a quick deke.
I think in the shootout far too many players come in with no speed, just gliding or even outright slow. I think that's a bad plan, unless you're a player like Kane or Zucc with crazy hands who can make those moves, but most players would be better served taking their shoot outs and penalty shots at full speed.
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