OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[kicksavedave]

My gut tells me ownership is going to ride the season out with Ron and just let him walk at seasons end. Maybe Del Rio survives the season, maybe not but at this point, with the way the D is playing I’m not sure it matters…other than sending a message. Maybe better scheming gets another win or two. I’m really starting to think that front 4 is really overrated. I was hoping for a good year out of them to help our back half which I maintain is really bad.

I think the front 4 is just not in sync and the schemes are to blame. Each of them can take over games and destroy series, we've seen them all do it a few times this year, so they have the talent. They just lack consistent adherence to the scheme which weakens all of them.

 

[Capsman]

Look, I'm a diehard UNC fan and I'm a huge Sam Howell guy. I wanted to take him in the 2nd round and was ecstatic when they got him in the 5th...but if you think 84 yards and 3 points against the worst team in the NFL "can happen" you're in left field. Disclaimer: I'm also a Bienemy supporter. But the fact of the matter is both sides came out flat, fell on their face and weren't properly motivated or prepared by the coaching staff. Don't let blind hate for JDR take away from the fact the whole team was garbage in the first half.

Sheehan brought this up. He made some good points. His main argument was besides Forbes who should be starting? Is Martin going to play over Forrest and Curl? No. Stromberg may see playing time sooner than later but backup linemen don’t play unless someone gets hurt. The rest, late round picks are typically depth or Teams players.

Ultimately we are 4 weeks into the season and the team is healthy for the most part. Rookie players not playing isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Which brings yo the question then, why were they drafted in the first place? Depth? They want depth over upgrading a position of significant weakness?

 

[Roric]

Ron and JDR need to go.

 

[Ajax1995]

Which brings yo the question then, why were they drafted in the first place? Depth? They want depth over upgrading a position of significant weakness?

BPA. Drafting for need is usually a long term mistake, except for possibly QB.

 

[John Price]

 

[Capsman]

Look, I'm a diehard UNC fan and I'm a huge Sam Howell guy. I wanted to take him in the 2nd round and was ecstatic when they got him in the 5th...but if you think 84 yards and 3 points against the worst team in the NFL "can happen" you're in left field. Disclaimer: I'm also a Bienemy supporter. But the fact of the matter is both sides came out flat, fell on their face and weren't properly motivated or prepared by the coaching staff. Don't let blind hate for JDR take away from the fact the whole team was garbage in the first half.

I don't think it's blind hatred. They have been torched for about 15 out of 20 quarters this year. The offense has been reasonable this season, 22ppg and almost 26ppg if the Buffalo game is excluded. The defense has given up 32 ppg. Which one game would you like to take out? The Bears? OK, 30ppg. Yesterday was a continuation of a repeated pattern, claiming it's part of an overall team "flatness" is disingenuous. And again, you can't make too much out of 3 plays x 2 drives. not only is it not a large sample size, but a large portion of it depends on one player (the QB). You wanna say Sam started out flat? Sure. But a team having an opponent march down their throats an entire half, some 40 plays, that is flat, unprepared, unmotivated, whatever you want to call it.

JDR deserves every bit of rancor for the garbage product he's brought us for 4 years now. Even last year they were torched by teams that didn't have backups starting.

 

[g00n]

My gut tells me ownership is going to ride the season out with Ron and just let him walk at seasons end. Maybe Del Rio survives the season, maybe not but at this point, with the way the D is playing I’m not sure it matters…other than sending a message. Maybe better scheming gets another win or two. I’m really starting to think that front 4 is really overrated. I was hoping for a good year out of them to help our back half which I maintain is really bad.

I see the FF as creating pressure but the guys behind them aren't reading the play and adjusting to what the QB and receivers are then doing. You're not going to get a sack on every snap. The goal is to at least disrupt the play and the other 7 guys on the field have to chip in.

WRT ownership riding it out, I think that's plan A. They probably want to get to that comfort zone of being able to "part ways" with no bad blood after a full year of evaluation. But fans might become restless after a few more blowout losses, or a season that threatens double digit L's.

They have to beat ATL and their abysmal offense. They'd better take advantage of the reeling, anemic MASH unit that's the NY Giants. Let's be generous and call these both wins. Everyone is happy and optimistic.

But I have a feeling PHI will be ready for them in the rematch and it might not be as close. Loss at home.

The Patriots are a f***ing mess but WFT are the kind of squad you want to face in order to right the ship. So that's a coin flip. Let's give it to NE due to home field and maybe injuries or a QB change somewhere.

If CHI can torch our D then Seattle certainly can. Loss. Especially on the road. We'll probably be +9 for that one if we lose to PHI and NE.

Then the Giants again. Assume Barkley hasn't re-injured himself. Maybe they've added a WR and beefed up the OL in NY. Probably a loss to complete the season split.

At Cowboys? Feels like a blowout loss but you never know with that rivalry.

Miami will eat our defense for lunch.

So at the bye they could be 4-9? Is that when they make the move? Do they win one of the last 4 games or go out 4-13, just a win better than Gruden's last season?

I'll be happy to be proven wrong but 4-5 wins seems like this team's destiny unless something improves drastically on both sides of the ball.

 

[Neil Racki]

So at the bye they could be 4-9? Is that when they make the move? Do they win one of the last 4 games or go out 4-13, just a win better than Gruden's last season?

I'll be happy to be proven wrong but 4-5 wins seems like this team's destiny unless something improves drastically on both sides of the ball.

'20 we went from 2-7 to 6-7
'21 2-6 to 6-6
'22 1-4 to 7-5

I looked at the schedule this morning and I just dont see a window for our signature mid season run that manages to fall short of playoffs but also pushes us out of the top 10 draft order.

I do believe the defense will play better and that consensus pre season predictions of 7-10 is very much in play but no matter what happens .. I hope Ron is allowed to finish the season and leave with dignity and gratefulness to him for what he has done and endured for us.

Ron is not the enemy

Ron is a good good dude. Just no xs and os, never found his Qb and maybe too loyal to JDR

lets leave our rep for doing people dirty on their way out in the past

 

[Ajax1995]

https://twitter.com/optastats/status/1710154686815215864?s=46&t=pNQhqb9s-ZwahnJqX9BfwA

How do we embed tweets again?

 

[g00n]

'20 we went from 2-7 to 6-7
'21 2-6 to 6-6
'22 1-4 to 7-5

I looked at the schedule this morning and I just dont see a window for our signature mid season run that manages to fall short of playoffs but also pushes us out of the top 10 draft order.

I do believe the defense will play better and that consensus pre season predictions of 7-10 is very much in play but no matter what happens .. I hope Ron is allowed to finish the season and leave with dignity and gratefulness to him for what he has done and endured for us.

Ron is not the enemy

Ron is a good good dude. Just no xs and os, never found his Qb and maybe too loyal to JDR

lets leave our rep for doing people dirty on their way out in the past

It's not doing anyone dirty to fire them for failing to do their job well enough and RR is not going to end upon the streets.

RR's career record with WFT is not good enough and his only playoff appearance was in year 1, backing into it with a losing record because the NFC East was terrible.

I don't give a shit about our 'rep' in this regard. If you want to set the tone for a new era of accountability you can't let a failing leadership group continue to fail.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I had a guy in the history forum show me with "advanced" stats that Ovechkin was a significantly better player in 2016 than he was in 2009.

If there is a stat that says this O-line is 6th best in the NFL in pass protection than the stat is obviously doing something wrong.

The first red flag is whenever there's the claim of A Star proving something. You need a lot of stats and you need context.

PFF at least tries to encompass all that though

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

https://x.com/optastats/status/1710154686815215864?s=46&t=pNQhqb9s-ZwahnJqX9BfwA

How do we embed tweets again?

Paste the link and before you hit Post Reply change “x” to “Twitter” in the URL.

 

[Midnight Judges]

So why haven't some dudes been fired yet

Probably not a good look for new owners to come in and start firing people mid season. -seems like something Dan would do.

 

[twabby]

I don't want Harris firing HC's 5 games into his ownership, but I sure would like RR to fire JDR 3 years ago. Tomorrow will be fine as well. The defense needs a "dust up".

Probably not a good look for new owners to come in and start firing people mid season. -seems like something Dan would do.

I feel like there is plenty of justification to fire them both though. The fans certainly would be fine with it.

I get trying not to ruffle too many feathers but you also have to turn things around and give the fans hope. Rivera and JDR have loser stink all over them.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

it’s hard to even embrace the sicking when we are so bad at drafting.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

it’s hard to even embrace the sicking when we are so bad at drafting.

At least we’re not Carolina who gave up what’s almost guaranteed to be a top three pick.

Separately, just saw a staggeringly bad stat. Ron has been coach of this team for 56 games and they’ve been tied or losing in 41 of them. That’s 75%. Would seem to me that this stat speaks to poor game planning by the coaching staff.

 

[Holtbyisms]

At least we’re not Carolina who gave up what’s almost guaranteed to be a top three pick.

Separately, just saw a staggeringly bad stat. Ron has been coach of this team for 56 games and they’ve been tied or losing in 41 of them. That’s 75%. Would seem to me that this stat speaks to poor game planning by the coaching staff.

Great guy, not so great coach. Lucked into a stud like Cam Newton to build his coaching career on and then used his good guy rep to fill the lack of good guy hole in a failing organization for a big payday. Time to move on, need a different direction.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I feel like there is plenty of justification to fire them both though. The fans certainly would be fine with it.

I get trying not to ruffle too many feathers but you also have to turn things around and give the fans hope. Rivera and JDR have loser stink all over them.

I agree, there is justification.

But I think these people need to have an eye on the long term. And maybe in light of the Snyder history, a strong message of decency may serve the franchise better - especially with respect to Rivera, who by all accounts is a class act.

 

[HTFN]

I agree, there is justification.

But I think these people need to have an eye on the long term. And maybe in light of the Snyder history, a strong message of decency may serve the franchise better - especially with respect to Rivera, who by all accounts is a class act.

Even if that's true you can still cut bait on JDR right away. RR isn't really calling any plays on either side of the ball, he's just walking around the sidelines like the masthead of a ship, just being there with no significant function.

RR you can afford to keep around, JDR needs to go a long time ago. And that's outside eyeballs saying that. He's not good.

 

[usiel]

I'm waiting for JD to be canned like everyone else. I was impressed by Chicago's D scheme. Creative formations and blitzing.

Did like to see the bounce back that Howell had in the second half.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Anyone else feel like Sam Howell is a lot like Dak?

Maybe its their similar stocky body type, 4th and 5th round pciks but it just seems like both score at like a B- on all QB aspects. Well rounded but dont have any elite abilities.

Pocket awareness - decent, tries to hang in there but will scramble
Distributer - decent, can see open guy throw to open guy. Decent at going through progressions, can get to his second read but maybe not the 3rd
Accuracy - sometimes will miss a throw, especially over 20 air yards
Arm strength - good enough but no Josh Allen

If Sam turns into Dak .. Id be happy.

You can win with a soild tier B qb like Dak. Capable of running an NFL playbook, which maybe there are 15-20 guys who can do that in the league.

Dak can’t win in the playoffs….I would not be happy if he turned into Dak.

If his skill set turns out like Dak then sure….but I hope for a much better clutch performer in the postseason.

 

[kicksavedave]

Dak can’t win in the playoffs….I would not be happy if he turned into Dak.

If his skill set turns out like Dak then sure….but I hope for a much better clutch performer in the postseason.

I think Slingin Sammy has proven to be a little clutch so far... his best performances are typically later in the games. He's brought this team back a couple times, He put them in position to be back in the game vs Chicago - Thomas fumble and Slye's missed kick hurt them a lot. He seems really unfazed by the pressure - he's the anti Kirk Cousins in that sense.

Its not entirely his fault the the whole rest of the team and coaching staff continues to show up completely unprepared to play at the opening KO.

 

[TRASHCAT]

Bill Belichick is such a f***ing fraud

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

And there goes Anthony Richardson…designed run, bulldogged down on his shoulder…sits up pointing to it….out of game.

 

[g00n]

Stroud is legit

And now Daniel Jones out with neck injury. Wonder if he'll be back vs WFT. Or SB