OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[Beef Invictus]

What's strange is it's not just JDR. How do you throw 55 straight times, even when trailing? What is EB thinking there? That's not how you open up a defense.

It seems like RR is a caretaker coach...an absentee figurehead CEO. His coordinators are running the show without any real direction.

I'm willing to give EB rope. But he's going to run through it fast if he doesn't learn some basic playcalling fundamentals. Probably have to hope Reid calls him, because I don't see Ron intervening. Speaking of that, he mentioned a long time ago (when questions first arose about whatever the f*** JDR was doing, I think after a game where he called zero blitzes) that he doesn't question JDR or intervene. The defense is all his, and "he knows what to do." Does he? I've thought it was glaringly obvious he needed to go years ago. I presume Ron is taking the same approach to EB.

Considering he's not willing to do anything to correct failing coordinators, and he's an abject failure as a GM, yeah. We can fire his ass with JDR. Gave that guy total freedom from oversight and he used it to dig their graves.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

After sleeping on it I’m not even mad. It’s clear the coaching staff is a mix of old retreads (RR, JDR) and the new guy trying to prove himself (EB). The old retreads favor defense and playing conservative and the new guy wants to sling it up and down the field to prove to those that passed up on hiring him that he can run an offense. It’s not a great mix of philosophy’s. I’m not pointing out new info just highlighting that if coaching staffs aren’t on the same page you get a Jekyll and Hyde team where you never know which will show week to week.

RR and EB need to have a come to Jesus moment though, and soon, if they want to salvage this season and save their jobs. The defense needs to adjust to compliment EBs style or visa versa because it’s clear the defense isn’t living up to the hype in its current configuration. It can’t bail out EBs gun slinging offense when the O turns the ball over or starts the game with a bunch of 3 and outs because the O can’t get in a groove.

 

[Midnight Judges]

The secondary looked utterly lost -especially in the first quarter. There were times where you had a CB manned up with safety help and the WR is somehow wide open while the safety is in no-man's land.

And it's not like they don't have the talent on this defense. JDR got out-coached pure and simple.

Forbes looked like a complete bust. Slow, getting juked, and physically overmatched.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean we've had a lot of underwhelming DCs. Haslett's schemes were so intricate nobody understood them. Barry just plain old honestly sucks. But JDR is the only one who is revoltingly lazy. He just sits back and hopes the talent will do his job for him without him having to think.

When the D line was pounded by injuries and he had to actually come up with a way to compensate, that was the only time they looked like a real NFL defense working as a cohesive unit. So he's capable of doing it. He just doesn't want to. f*** him. He should be fired. The team should burn down his house, then every house he ever lived in, every house he lives in going forward, and the hospital he was born in.

 

[John Price]

These nerd stats are starting to piss me off. IT wasn't howell's fault last night. Howell wasn't to blame for getting sacked 5 times by a team that had 2 sacks coming into the game.

I'm had it up to here with neil lol. He was on social all night talking about when they should bring Jacoby is. Dude, the QB isn't the problem. The D is. The Oline maybe.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

he's not a rookie. he's been responsible for 14 straight losses. Chicago literally had the 1 and 2 picks in the draft leading up to this game. they're awful.

Good call. I thought he was one of the rookie coaches this year. Makes it even more embarrassing.

 

[John Price]

You have to understand going into this game Chicago faced drama that was on par with the Snyder era. Their DC quit after 2 games, they kept Claypool at home after saying he'd go back to Halas Hall on Monday, and their coach had lost 14 straight and was in serious danger of being fired.

They let that discombobulated sack of shit punk them, IN THEIR HOUSE, last night.

That alone should be a fireable offense. I get any given Sunday or Thursday, I get the short week, but man, they really crapped the bed last night.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Does anyone in the NFL have a rookie draft class contributing less than Washington? Honest question. I know it’s not possible to evaluate a rookie draft class after five games but I mean it’s looking brutal based on early returns: Emmanuel Forbes, Quan Martin, Ricky Stromberg, Braeden Daniels, KJ Henry, Chris Rodriguez, Andre Jones Jr. A big fat oof five games into the season. Only one of them is even playing and he’s been getting lit up.

 

[Beef Invictus]

These nerd stats are starting to piss me off. IT wasn't howell's fault last night. Howell wasn't to blame for getting sacked 5 times by a team that had 2 sacks coming into the game.

I'm had it up to here with neil lol. He was on social all night talking about when they should bring Jacoby is. Dude, the QB isn't the problem. The D is. The Oline maybe.

Sam and the line did fine as expected with fast developing plays with the ball out in under 2 seconds. When they were behind EB didn't just abandon the run, they started chasing longer passes. We know enough about where Howell is and the line to know that's a bad idea. They did the bad thing anyway. A lot of these sacks are on EB. Ds know it's gonna be passes all day. There aren't fast developing choices. What does he suppose will happen? Does he think he's OC for OSU?

 

[Beef Invictus]

You have to understand going into this game Chicago faced drama that was on par with the Snyder era. Their DC quit after 2 games, they kept Claypool at home after saying he'd go back to Halas Hall on Monday, and their coach had lost 14 straight and was in serious danger of being fired.

They let that discombobulated sack of shit punk them, IN THEIR HOUSE, last night.

That alone should be a fireable offense. I get any given Sunday or Thursday, I get the short week, but man, they really crapped the bed last night.

We often don't see eye to eye. We sure as hell do on this. The full context of tonight and the years building up to it? Yeah. This is the morning you get rid of Ron and JDR. Its too much.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

You have to understand going into this game Chicago faced drama that was on par with the Snyder era. Their DC quit after 2 games, they kept Claypool at home after saying he'd go back to Halas Hall on Monday, and their coach had lost 14 straight and was in serious danger of being fired.

They let that discombobulated sack of shit punk them, IN THEIR HOUSE, last night.

That alone should be a fireable offense. I get any given Sunday or Thursday, I get the short week, but man, they really crapped the bed last night.

They erased any positive momentum they had earned after playing Philly tough. They were facing the Bears, Falcons, and Giants the next three weeks which includes two of the most dysfunctional teams in the league this year and a third team in Atlanta who has been hearing calls for Heinicke to play because Ridder has been abysmal. They had about as good a path to 5-2 before a rematch as they could have hoped for and they went out and played probably the most embarrassing game this team has played in memory which is really saying something for this franchise.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Forbes wasn't the only player "flat" or getting beaten badly.

But he could be the scapegoat.

I’d hate to be a DB in the film session….”Toast” Forbes was just slightly more prolific than his teammates…

 

[kicksavedave]

Well, when you're down three scores at the half chances are the run games going out the window in the second.

I get why they abandoned the run, but even when they were trying to, they weren't good.

Offense and defense didn't come to play at kickoff. Thats on all of them.

 

[John Price]

 

[Midnight Judges]

These nerd stats are starting to piss me off. IT wasn't howell's fault last night. Howell wasn't to blame for getting sacked 5 times by a team that had 2 sacks coming into the game.

I'm had it up to here with neil lol. He was on social all night talking about when they should bring Jacoby is. Dude, the QB isn't the problem. The D is. The Oline maybe.

I had a guy in the history forum show me with "advanced" stats that Ovechkin was a significantly better player in 2016 than he was in 2009.

If there is a stat that says this O-line is 6th best in the NFL in pass protection than the stat is obviously doing something wrong.

 

[Holtbyisms]

But again, it was 6 plays (2 x3 and outs). That can happen to an offense. Versus 23 straight plays of failure, with first down after first down after first down. I don’t think they are remotely comparable.

Look, I'm a diehard UNC fan and I'm a huge Sam Howell guy. I wanted to take him in the 2nd round and was ecstatic when they got him in the 5th...but if you think 84 yards and 3 points against the worst team in the NFL "can happen" you're in left field. Disclaimer: I'm also a Bienemy supporter. But the fact of the matter is both sides came out flat, fell on their face and weren't properly motivated or prepared by the coaching staff. Don't let blind hate for JDR take away from the fact the whole team was garbage in the first half.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Hey at least we're talking about actual football and not sexual harassment scandals.

Look, I'm a diehard UNC fan and I'm a huge Sam Howell guy. I wanted to take him in the 2nd round and was ecstatic when they got him in the 5th...but if you think 84 yards and 3 points against the worst team in the NFL "can happen" you're in left field. Disclaimer: I'm also a Bienemy supporter. But the fact of the matter is both sides came out flat, fell on their face and weren't properly motivated or prepared by the coaching staff. Don't let blind hate for JDR take away from the fact the whole team was garbage in the first half.

yeah agree. If it was a few players making blunders then whatever.

This was a total team failure - which means it's more likely on the coaches.

 

[Neil Racki]

Anyone see anything on twitter at pct of D formations? seems like all nickle or buffalo where our front always is 4 down linemen.

On run plays, are 4 D men are spread wide creating huge lanes that arent being filed by the LBs/second level.

On pass plays, our stud 4 arent winning nearly enough. But the point of rushing 4 is that is should be hard to pass against 7 back. Our front 4 studs, to a man, in every interview talk about how one of the 4 cant be double teamed and he will win ... but that aint happening.

5 down linemen is my option. Do the ole Bears 5-2 w Davis being the joker/moves around line guy

 

[Ajax1995]

That last stat is cray cray.

And an unbelievable indictment of Bieniemy’s play calling. JFC…

 

[Neil Racki]

Anyone else feel like Sam Howell is a lot like Dak?

Maybe its their similar stocky body type, 4th and 5th round pciks but it just seems like both score at like a B- on all QB aspects. Well rounded but dont have any elite abilities.

Pocket awareness - decent, tries to hang in there but will scramble
Distributer - decent, can see open guy throw to open guy. Decent at going through progressions, can get to his second read but maybe not the 3rd
Accuracy - sometimes will miss a throw, especially over 20 air yards
Arm strength - good enough but no Josh Allen

If Sam turns into Dak .. Id be happy.

You can win with a soild tier B qb like Dak. Capable of running an NFL playbook, which maybe there are 15-20 guys who can do that in the league.

 

[twabby]

So why haven't some dudes been fired yet

 

[Ajax1995]

I get why they abandoned the run, but even when they were trying to, they weren't good.

Offense and defense didn't come to play at kickoff. Thats on all of them.

I blame Gates for that complete wiff of a block on 3rd and 1 in the first series.

Robinson runs for 5 on 1st down. A little underneath throw to Thomas for 4 on 2nd down. Ok 3rd and 1, Robinson is a good short yardage guy, they ran the ball pretty darn well last week against a much better Philly defense, let’s move the chains, build on the offense momentum from last week, and go down and put some points on the board and let the defense regroup and settle in.

Instead Gates wiffs, Robinson has no chance and gets stuffed, they punt, and the defense shows more of the same when they get back on the field.

Yes it was very early but that was a really important play IMO.

 

[kicksavedave]

So why haven't some dudes been fired yet

I don't want Harris firing HC's 5 games into his ownership, but I sure would like RR to fire JDR 3 years ago. Tomorrow will be fine as well. The defense needs a "dust up".

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Does anyone in the NFL have a rookie draft class contributing less than Washington? Honest question. I know it’s not possible to evaluate a rookie draft class after five games but I mean it’s looking brutal based on early returns: Emmanuel Forbes, Quan Martin, Ricky Stromberg, Braeden Daniels, KJ Henry, Chris Rodriguez, Andre Jones Jr. A big fat oof five games into the season. Only one of them is even playing and he’s been getting lit up.

Sheehan brought this up. He made some good points. His main argument was besides Forbes who should be starting? Is Martin going to play over Forrest and Curl? No. Stromberg may see playing time sooner than later but backup linemen don’t play unless someone gets hurt. The rest, late round picks are typically depth or Teams players.

Ultimately we are 4 weeks into the season and the team is healthy for the most part. Rookie players not playing isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

 

[arlcapsfan]

My gut tells me ownership is going to ride the season out with Ron and just let him walk at seasons end. Maybe Del Rio survives the season, maybe not but at this point, with the way the D is playing I’m not sure it matters…other than sending a message. Maybe better scheming gets another win or two. I’m really starting to think that front 4 is really overrated. I was hoping for a good year out of them to help our back half which I maintain is really bad.