OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Serious question, when comparing careers as of today, who is the better QB? Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins?

And let’s keep in mind Smith was a #1 overall pick and Cousins was a #102 overall pick.

Check their bank accounts. 1 is a clear winner...

but both made a shit ton for not throwing picks.

 

[Ajax1995]

Serious question, when comparing careers as of today, who is the better QB? Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins?

One guy is 32 games over .500 for his career and the other is 9.

So would you prefer the QB who puts up better statistical personal numbers but doesn’t win as much or the guy with the lesser personal numbers but wins a decent amount more?

Personally I want my team to win. If my QB isn’t lighting it up regularly but my team is winning I’m ok with that.

And how so many so easily ignores the ‘skin’s record with and without Smith during his time here I have no idea. They won a bunch more than they lost with him and were abysmal without him.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

One guy is 32 games over .500 for his career and the other is 9.

So would you prefer the QB who puts up better statistical personal numbers but doesn’t win as much or the guy with the lesser personal numbers but wins a decent amount more?

Personally I want my team to win. If my QB isn’t lighting it up regularly but my team is winning I’m ok with that.

And how so many so easily ignores the ‘skin’s record with and without Smith during his time here I have no idea. They won a bunch more than they lost with him and were abysmal without him.

One QB won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs in a Washington uniform and the other didn’t.

 

[g00n]

One QB won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs in a Washington uniform and the other didn’t.

LOL your disingenuousness is obnoxious. AS had LESS THAN ONE season as a WAS QB... a bit over 1/2 a season really. 10 games. And he had a winning record (6-4). The year before that the Washmanders were a losing team at 7-9 under...your boy Kirk.

Apples and transmission fluid.

Sorry you have to shit on Alex Smith's career and gruesome injury struggle in order to feed your Kirk Cousins fandom.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

It’s getting chippy. Good.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Forbes injury is concerning.

 

[kicksavedave]

One QB won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs in a Washington uniform and the other didn’t.

Huh?

KC was 28-33-1. AS was 11-7. AS won enough games to make the playoffs. In fact putting him back into the starting lineup helped the team go from 2-7 to 7-9 and actually, made the playoffs. One one leg. Friendly reminder, they were 6-3 when his leg exploded in 2018.

 

[Ridley Simon]

One QB won enough regular season games to qualify for the playoffs in a Washington uniform and the other didn’t.

Cousins never made the playoffs? I guess that’s accurate —

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Huh?

KC was 28-33-1. AS was 11-7. AS won enough games to make the playoffs. In fact putting him back into the starting lineup helped the team go from 2-7 to 7-9 and actually, made the playoffs. One one leg. Friendly reminder, they were 6-3 when his leg exploded in 2018.

Yup I wiffed on that. Forgot 2020 was the Heineke playoff game. It happens.

Kirk Cousins is 1-3 in the playoffs. 0-1 with DC and 1-2 with MIN. Alex Smith is 2-5 in the playoffs. 1-1 with SF and 1-4 with KC. So the winning argument falls flat doesn’t it? Playoff wins matter most, don’t they?

Kirk Cousins last year as a starter in DC the team went 7-9. His stats were 4093 yards passing with 27/13 TD/INT and 64 com%. He also led the team with 4 rushing TDs. His top 3 receivers were Crowder, Ryan Grant and a 34 year old Vernon Davis. Leading rusher was Perine with 600 yards. And the defense was ranked 28th. The lack of respect Kirk Cousins gets around here is remarkable.

Cousins never made the playoffs? I guess that’s accurate —

If given the choice between Kirk Cousins and pre leg injury Alex Smith you would pick Alex Smith?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Yup I wiffed on that. Forgot 2020 was the Heineke playoff game. It happens.

Kirk Cousins is 1-3 in the playoffs. 0-1 with DC and 1-2 with MIN. Alex Smith is 2-5 in the playoffs. 1-1 with SF and 1-4 with KC. So the winning argument falls flat doesn’t it? Playoff wins matter most, don’t they?

Kirk Cousins last year as a starter in DC the team went 7-9. His stats were 4093 yards passing with 27/13 TD/INT and 64 com%. He also led the team with 4 rushing TDs. His top 3 receivers were Crowder, Ryan Grant and a 34 year old Vernon Davis. Leading rusher was Perine with 600 yards. And the defense was ranked 28th. The lack of respect Kirk Cousins gets around here is remarkable.


If given the choice between Kirk Cousins and pre leg injury Alex Smith you would pick Alex Smith?

If I wanted to win actual NFL football games? YES

If I wanted to win my Yahoo Fantasy league games? NO

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

If I wanted to win actual NFL football games? YES

If I wanted to win my Yahoo Fantasy league games? NO

Mind boggling.

 

[kicksavedave]

Yup I wiffed on that. Forgot 2020 was the Heineke playoff game. It happens.

Kirk Cousins is 1-3 in the playoffs. 0-1 with DC and 1-2 with MIN. Alex Smith is 2-5 in the playoffs. 1-1 with SF and 1-4 with KC. So the winning argument falls flat doesn’t it? Playoff wins matter most, don’t they?

Kirk Cousins last year as a starter in DC the team went 7-9. His stats were 4093 yards passing with 27/13 TD/INT and 64 com%. He also led the team with 4 rushing TDs. His top 3 receivers were Crowder, Ryan Grant and a 34 year old Vernon Davis. Leading rusher was Perine with 600 yards. And the defense was ranked 28th. The lack of respect Kirk Cousins gets around here is remarkable.


If given the choice between Kirk Cousins and pre leg injury Alex Smith you would pick Alex Smith?

I've conceded that they botched the KC thing entirely. No debate there. But this isn't a binary choice. When KC was gone, they traded a modest sum for an All Pro caliber starting QB with some mileage left. That wasn't a bad trade, or contract, and he did exactly what they wanted from him - stabilize the QB position and win games. That's the only claim I'm making - Alex Smith did great for the Redskins, before and after his injury. That's really not subject to debate. And in the year between his two shortened seasons, they went 3-13. Thats all I'm trying to highlight.

KC had better stats most times, and he won more games than guys like Haskins or Keenum, sure. But KC had a losing record and some of his losses were when he put up big numbers but dreadful INTs late in the game, so there is some deception purely in the numbers. But it was not really a choice between the two once the esteemed Bruce Allen and Dan Bag chased KC out of town.

If I was GM I would have locked up KC in 2016, so there is that. But I'm not Bruce Allen :O

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

They both suck(ed) in the postseason…they‘re clones….it’s just the one we let walk was slightly better. I’m over it.

I concede it wasn’t a bad trade on day one….but you ultimately assess the trade based on the life of the transaction, and it went to shit obviously.

 

[John Price]

Lions sold out of season tickets this year so we probably aren't that far off from having the return of the waiting list. REmember in the old days when you couldn't even BUY a season ticket because of the waiting list. Then the team admitted it was fake.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Forbes injury is concerning.

Thomas and Forbes are suppose to be starters. Not good news for a player always hurt in Thomas. And a big draft reach to already blow his groin out.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[usiel]

My practical take judge is not liking the prosecutor favoritism in the plea deal.

 

[g00n]

I get that they probably want to emphasize "innocent until proven guilty" so they don't paint themselves into a corner if any stars are accused of ignoring "KEEP OFF THE GRASS" signs in the future, but this guy seems like a repeat offender and someone who could be classified as bringing bad PR down on the team.

Cut his ass.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Mind boggling.

Not really.

But you’ve always loved Cousins a LOT more than I did. His track record in Minnesota hasn’t exactly let me down either. I expected him to rack up stats and be a .500 QB. Which is pretty much what’s happened.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Cousins is like Trotz, some people will never let it go.

As of December 2022 Cousins is 10-40 in his career against winning teams. For context, Dak is 22-25. It’s hard to have a winning record vs good teams but Cousins is all-time bad against good teams.

 

[John Price]

He's fine but it would have been a massive overpayment had he stayed.

He was clearly the best QB in the Snyder era by far.

 

[usiel]

He's fine but it would have been a massive overpayment had he stayed.

He was clearly the best QB in the Snyder era by far.

Bolded for sure.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

He's fine but it would have been a massive overpayment had he stayed.

He was clearly the best QB in the Snyder era by far.

Yeah with the exception of RGIII’s rookie season I don’t think anyone since Brad Johnson comes close to Cousins in terms of production.

Kirk admitted he felt slighted here since Day One because he was disappointed to be drafted by a team that spent such a high pick on a QB his same draft class and Bruce Allen being a total f***ing dildo didn’t help. Kirk was solid and had the opportunity to win over the fans here but always came up short when it mattered most and never felt supported here. He left for greener pastures and Washington has been trying to fill his void ever since.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Cousins is like Trotz, some people will never let it go.

As of December 2022 Cousins is 10-40 in his career against winning teams. For context, Dak is 22-25. It’s hard to have a winning record vs good teams but Cousins is all-time bad against good teams.

For all the “letting it go” I see, why the need to constantly knock the guy? People are just acknowledging/debating he’s the best they’ve had, and well you know how it all worked out so we don’t need to go there. He’s 6th in regular season wins since 2020. Go back to 2018, he’s still 6th….Doing some things right….

 

[max21]

The Jamin Davis situation honestly really sucks, I was hoping he would really take off this year. He took a big jump last year. The LB problem is annoying at this point