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[kicksavedave]

They would be giving away a fortune in draft capital to take MHJR 1. I worry about the Giants trading up to 1 now.

Entirely possible, but if the Gmen want to give up all that draft capital, then so be it. I don't want to give up any to ensure we get first choice. 2nd choice will be fine, IMO.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Entirely possible, but if the Gmen want to give up all that draft capital, then so be it. I don't want to give up any to ensure we get first choice. 2nd choice will be fine, IMO.

Agree…

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Entirely possible, but if the Gmen want to give up all that draft capital, then so be it. I don't want to give up any to ensure we get first choice. 2nd choice will be fine, IMO.

They would also be in cap hell with that freshly inked Daniel Jones contract. Also sounds like Barkley maybe out if its another franchise tag.

My guess is they take the top tackle at 5.
1 QB
2 QB
3 QB
4 Harrison
5 Tackle

 

[g00n]

Of if they want to support Fields, draft Marvin #1. That would be our best case scenario.

This is what I'm thinking they're up to. Why fire the OC AND get rid of the QB? Chances are they're blaming one or the other, more or less.

Tossing the OC says to me "we're going to give Fields another shot and get him a top WR and new OC, then we'll see how it goes".

I think they'll also probably find a better veteran backup QB this offseason. There should be plenty available.

 

[kicksavedave]

They would also be in cap hell with that freshly inked Daniel Jones contract. Also sounds like Barkley maybe out if its another franchise tag.

My guess is they take the top tackle at 5.
1 QB
2 QB
3 QB
4 Harrison
5 Tackle

The big Daniel Jones contract has an out in 2025, so they are really only committed to him for 2024. The Giants may want a QB, but the Giants are also dumb, so who knows what they are thinking.

 

[kicksavedave]

This is what I'm thinking they're up to. Why fire the OC AND get rid of the QB? Chances are they're blaming one or the other, more or less.

Tossing the OC says to me "we're going to give Fields another shot and get him a top WR and new OC, then we'll see how it goes".

I think they'll also probably find a better veteran backup QB this offseason. There should be plenty available.

MH2 is ranked as the top prospect in a lot of places, so they could either stand pat for him, it would be justified, or try to trade down. and still get him. Boy they could get a bidding war between the Pats and someone around 4-6 if they played it well, but if they still have Fields on their roster by draft day, everyone should know they aren't taking the QB, so this whole poker game is going to be super fun to watch.

 

[Ridley Simon]

They would be giving away a fortune in draft capital to take MHJR 1. I worry about the Giants trading up to 1 now.

Man, that would a thing. Adding Williams and Maye to the division? Holy Guacamole!

 

[Brian23]

While I am not big on Ben Johnson, one bright spot would be Mark Brunell is currently his QB coach. Might assume he'd tag along and make a triumphant return to Washington.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’m *almost* of the mind that Josh should hire Bob Myers as the President of his entire sporting enterprise, and then Myers will hire Peters as GM to run the Skins.

I think Harbaugh would come for that, if the rest of it worked out correctly (EG: $$$$). What better way to cement your legacy, than to turn another renowned football institution into a champion??

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

March 13th will be FA and Trades opening, April 25th we get our new QB

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Alot of interesting names. O line isnt great. Im not sure how many of these players I would give more then a 1 year deal and then reset for the 2025 offseason hoping for the big fish

2024 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players set to enter free agency

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* You have to scroll down a bit to see Chase Young lol

 

[kicksavedave]

Quick thought: We've heard a lot about drafting/building the OL before getting the QB, but that's not the only way to do things. Since I maintain that drafting the best players is the right approach to building the best team, as opposed to drafting for need, I went back through history and looked at a few of the top "dumpster to dynasty" turnarounds and saw how they drafted.

The Cowboys of the Jimmy Johnson era (88-93) showed the blueprint for a rebuild. But they took Michael Irvin (11 overall) first in 88, then Troy Aikman first in 89 (1 overall) and then Emmitt Smith first in 1990 (17 overall).

How did they build the dominant OL that helped them win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years?

LT - They signed Mark Tuinei as a UDFA in 1983 as a DT and moved him to OT in 1985
LG - They signed Nate Newton as a free agent in 1986 when the USFL folded.
C - They drafted Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd round in 1989 (same draft year as Aikman)
RG - They traded a 5th round pick for John Gesek in 1990
RT - They drafted Erik Williams in the 3rd round in 1991

All of them except Gesek made at least one Pro Bowl. 2 free agents, 2 draft picks (none first rounders) and one modest trade.

Point is simple... there is no one single formula to build a great team, or to build an OL. And the Cowboys acquired 3 of their starters after they drafted Aikman.


(Not included, they drafted Steve Wisniewski in the 2nd round (29 overall) in 1989, after taking Aikman. But they immediately traded Wisniewski to the Raiders for picks that would land them Daryl Johnston and some scrubs, and Wisniewski went on to have a borderline HoF career for the Raiders, making 8 pro bowls and the 1990 all decade team)

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

While I am not big on Ben Johnson, one bright spot would be Mark Brunell is currently his QB coach. Might assume he'd tag along and make a triumphant return to Washington.

Might just take that newly opened OC spot there if Johnson leaves.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Pete Carroll is also now available. That’s nutso!!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Quick thought: We've heard a lot about drafting/building the OL before getting the QB, but that's not the only way to do things. Since I maintain that drafting the best players is the right approach to building the best team, as opposed to drafting for need, I went back through history and looked at a few of the top "dumpster to dynasty" turnarounds and saw how they drafted.

The Cowboys of the Jimmy Johnson era (88-93) showed the blueprint for a rebuild. But they took Michael Irvin (11 overall) first in 88, then Troy Aikman first in 89 (1 overall) and then Emmitt Smith first in 1990 (17 overall).

How did they build the dominant OL that helped them win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years?

LT - They signed Mark Tuinei as a UDFA in 1983 as a DT and moved him to OT in 1985
LG - They signed Nate Newton as a free agent in 1986 when the USFL folded.
C - They drafted Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd round in 1989 (same draft year as Aikman)
RG - They traded a 5th round pick for John Gesek in 1990
RT - They drafted Erik Williams in the 3rd round in 1991

All of them except Gesek made at least one Pro Bowl. 2 free agents, 2 draft picks (none first rounders) and one modest trade.

Point is simple... there is no one single formula to build a great team, or to build an OL. And the Cowboys acquired 3 of their starters after they drafted Aikman.


(Not included, they drafted Steve Wisniewski in the 2nd round (29 overall) in 1989, after taking Aikman. But they immediately traded Wisniewski to the Raiders for picks that would land them Daryl Johnston and some scrubs, and Wisniewski went on to have a borderline HoF career for the Raiders, making 8 pro bowls and the 1990 all decade team)

I fully do NOT believe that you must have a great O-line before you draft a QB. You never pass your chance to get a top guy. You figure the rest out after you get your guy, but getting the guy should be top priority. Also part of my reasoning behind letting the majority of rookie QBs sit year one and just learn and grow into that leadership role that is required. A team can certainly shore up an O-line in 1-2 good drafts and free agency.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I fully do NOT believe that you must have a great O-line before you draft a QB. You never pass your chance to get a top guy. You figure the rest out after you get your guy, but getting the guy should be top priority. Also part of my reasoning behind letting the majority of rookie QBs sit year one and just learn and grow into that leadership role that is required. A team can certainly shore up an O-line in 1-2 good drafts and free agency.

Sam Howell has a pretty good resume as crash test dummy

 

[ynotcaps]

I fully do NOT believe that you must have a great O-line before you draft a QB. You never pass your chance to get a top guy. You figure the rest out after you get your guy, but getting the guy should be top priority. Also part of my reasoning behind letting the majority of rookie QBs sit year one and just learn and grow into that leadership role that is required. A team can certainly shore up an O-line in 1-2 good drafts and free agency.

I agree with this. But this just happens to be a crazy year where at the top of the draft you have BOTH franchise QB AND franchise LT options -- the best of each in the 3-draft period of 23-25. Lucky us to be able to address one -- hope like hell we can pull off a miracle and address both.

 

[g00n]

Quick thought: We've heard a lot about drafting/building the OL before getting the QB, but that's not the only way to do things. Since I maintain that drafting the best players is the right approach to building the best team, as opposed to drafting for need, I went back through history and looked at a few of the top "dumpster to dynasty" turnarounds and saw how they drafted.

The Cowboys of the Jimmy Johnson era (88-93) showed the blueprint for a rebuild. But they took Michael Irvin (11 overall) first in 88, then Troy Aikman first in 89 (1 overall) and then Emmitt Smith first in 1990 (17 overall).

How did they build the dominant OL that helped them win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years?

LT - They signed Mark Tuinei as a UDFA in 1983 as a DT and moved him to OT in 1985
LG - They signed Nate Newton as a free agent in 1986 when the USFL folded.
C - They drafted Mark Stepnoski in the 3rd round in 1989 (same draft year as Aikman)
RG - They traded a 5th round pick for John Gesek in 1990
RT - They drafted Erik Williams in the 3rd round in 1991

All of them except Gesek made at least one Pro Bowl. 2 free agents, 2 draft picks (none first rounders) and one modest trade.

Point is simple... there is no one single formula to build a great team, or to build an OL. And the Cowboys acquired 3 of their starters after they drafted Aikman.


(Not included, they drafted Steve Wisniewski in the 2nd round (29 overall) in 1989, after taking Aikman. But they immediately traded Wisniewski to the Raiders for picks that would land them Daryl Johnston and some scrubs, and Wisniewski went on to have a borderline HoF career for the Raiders, making 8 pro bowls and the 1990 all decade team)

Yes but that's one team and the salary cap came in right after that team was built, allowing them to win several championships in the early-mid 90s.


These days there's a cap crunch that often prevents real "big 3" situations where you have the top WR/QB/RB in the league on one team, and an elite OL to boot (3/5 of which were on the team for Aikman's first season).

Not to mention the fact that Aikman is often held up as a prime example of how young QBs often struggled in their early season(s). Now top draft picks are expected to come in and start immediately in many cases, and win almost as quickly.

You're taking a huge risk throwing a rookie QB to the wolves of this jacked-up NFL that has cap considerations AND expects results. Get the QB but fix the line, too.

 

[kicksavedave]

Yes but that's one team and the salary cap came in right after that team was built, allowing them to win several championships in the early-mid 90s.


These days there's a cap crunch that often prevents real "big 3" situations where you have the top WR/QB/RB in the league on one team, and an elite OL to boot (3/5 of which were on the team for Aikman's first season).

Not to mention the fact that Aikman is often held up as a prime example of how young QBs often struggled in their early season(s). Now top draft picks are expected to come in and start immediately in many cases, and win almost as quickly.

You're taking a huge risk throwing a rookie QB to the wolves of this jacked-up NFL that has cap considerations AND expects results. Get the QB but fix the line, too.

I think the primary point was, you don't need to build the ENTIRE OL BEFORE getting the franchise QB, and you don't need to draft the OL or the LT in the top 5 to have a good OL. That applies in the old era and the salary cap era. Its less about the "triplets" and more about getting the best player when its your turn to draft, and building the whole team, including the OL, through all available methods (draft, trade and FA). That still applies in the cap era.

I think it also simply highlights that good talent evaluators don't need a top 5 pick to get good talent, they can find it all over the place, like the Cowboys did (Irvine, 11 OA and Smith 17 OA with two Pro Bowl OL drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds )

Really it also just shows how bad our font office has been for, oh, I dunno, 24 years? The last draft under Snyder feels like it was entirely just mailed in.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yes but that's one team and the salary cap came in right after that team was built, allowing them to win several championships in the early-mid 90s.


These days there's a cap crunch that often prevents real "big 3" situations where you have the top WR/QB/RB in the league on one team, and an elite OL to boot (3/5 of which were on the team for Aikman's first season).

Not to mention the fact that Aikman is often held up as a prime example of how young QBs often struggled in their early season(s). Now top draft picks are expected to come in and start immediately in many cases, and win almost as quickly.

You're taking a huge risk throwing a rookie QB to the wolves of this jacked-up NFL that has cap considerations AND expects results. Get the QB but fix the line, too.

Well sure, start improving the line this offseason, nobody is suggesting otherwise.

Again you don’t have the be a dumb shit and “throw your guy to the wolves”…

 

[Cush]

 

[ynotcaps]

Yes but that's one team and the salary cap came in right after that team was built, allowing them to win several championships in the early-mid 90s.


These days there's a cap crunch that often prevents real "big 3" situations where you have the top WR/QB/RB in the league on one team, and an elite OL to boot (3/5 of which were on the team for Aikman's first season).

Not to mention the fact that Aikman is often held up as a prime example of how young QBs often struggled in their early season(s). Now top draft picks are expected to come in and start immediately in many cases, and win almost as quickly.

You're taking a huge risk throwing a rookie QB to the wolves of this jacked-up NFL that has cap considerations AND expects results. Get the QB but fix the line, too.

Drop that mic, Goon!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I agree with this. But this just happens to be a crazy year where at the top of the draft you have BOTH franchise QB AND franchise LT options -- the best of each in the 3-draft period of 23-25. Lucky us to be able to address one -- hope like hell we can pull off a miracle and address both.

We’re not going to get one of those two tackles and a top QB, but we can still greatly improve the line.

Eagles O-line has one 1st rounder.

 

[ynotcaps]

Certainly not one I saw coming.

We’re not going to get one of those two tackles and a top QB, but we can still greatly improve the line.

Does it make you feel like a big man to shit on my dreams like that?

 

[Chokingdogs]

Pete Carroll is also now available. That’s nutso!!

No Rocky Dennis, please and thank you.

 

[kicksavedave]

We’re not going to get one of those two tackles and a top QB, but we can still greatly improve the line.

Eagles O-line has one 1st rounder.

Here's just one mock draft where we focus on the OL. This mock draft simulator is absurdly fun, even if its not based on reality at all. And I hate drafting for need, but this is still interesting.

36. Troy Fautanu, G, Washington (6-4, 317 pounds)​

Fautanu's calling card is pure physicality, but he's risen up draft boards by showing high upside with his blocking agility and quickness.

44. Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma (6-7, 327 pounds)​

Guyton keeps getting more draft buzz, as it's evident he has some quick feet and agility to go with an impressive, mauling frame.

71. Jackson Powers-Johnson, G, Oregon (6-6, 320 pounds)​

Powers-Johnson, as his last name might indicate, plays with great power and quickness as a top-flight run blocker who can grow in pass protection.

91. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia (6-3, 310 pounds)​

Frazier is a quick, strong anchor in the running game who has good room for technique improvement in pass protection.