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[CapitalsCupReality]

UNC fans. Were Howell and Maye ever on the same roster and how did they get along?

I think I would roll with both and Keep Howell for the rest of his rookie contract that is dirt cheap.

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Yes they overlapped the 2021 season. Im liking the idea of Maye more and more

Unless offered a ransom….hell yes stick with Sam and groom Drake.

I keep having to remind myself that all the talk about draft positioning today has yet to be informed by the pre-draft process. Also, realizing that there's already smoke-screening as the top of the draft teams try to make their position that much more valuable to potential suitors. All the rumors and lies are part of what makes the NFL pre-draft process so damn much fun.

p.s. I love Daniels. L.O.V.E. But even I would still take Maye before him because I think Maye is the prototype of the position.

Absolutely….in fact they were talking about if Penix hurt himself last night, and the answer was yes, but he can rebound and more in the pre-draft/combine/interview/testing process.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Roric]

Unless offered a ransom….hell yes stick with Sam and groom Drake.


Absolutely….in fact they were talking about if Penix hurt himself last night, and the answer was yes, but he can rebound and more in the pre-draft/combine/interview/testing process.

Is drake not nfl ready? Not to be impatient but damn if I don't want to see what he's got on day 1

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Is drake not nfl ready? Not to be impatient but damn if I don't want to see what he's got on day 1

I don’t love rushing any guy as a year 1 starter….but that’s just my own philosophy. Could he? Sure….hell he might win the job in camp.

 

[John Price]

 

[Holtbyisms]

Kiper in ESPN saying the big question of the draft will be Maye or Daniels at 2.

If there's one thing Mel Kiper is good at it's creating excitement about the draft. Daniels isn't even in the same atmosphere as Maye or Williams.

 

[Langway]

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

If there's one thing Mel Kiper is good at it's creating excitement about the draft. Daniels isn't even in the same atmosphere as Maye or Williams.

If he ends up going 3rd, he’s certainly in the same draft atmosphere, and that was the topic.



Vrabel fired by the Titans…

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Sounds like it’s already a done deal. He’s replacing Bill in New England.

 

[kicksavedave]

I can't recall if it was Kiper or another draft guru but they did point out the Maserati is technically the best prospect in the draft it is just that QB needs that always push those to the top.

Maserati = MH2? Makes sense, he seems like the most "can't miss" of the top 5 prospects. All of CW, Drake, Daniels and even Fashanu the LT, have risk.

However, I think the reason most high ranked prospects bust is because they are drafted by shit organizations that don't know how to build anything, which is why they're picking in the top five a lot. Fit is so important, surrounding them with the right people and scheme. Not all busts are busts because they can't play, some teams just ruin guys. Lets hope we're done doing that.

If he ends up going 3rd, he’s certainly in the same draft atmosphere, and that was the topic.



Vrabel fired by the Titans…

Daniels might go 3 based on need and the universal QB premium, but in terms of a prospect, every grade I've seen has him a whole tier below CW and Drake.

 

[Bananas]

It all depends on the new hires. If they like Williams the most by far, it’s worth trading up for imo. Conversely if they like Daniels more than Maye, we could land their guy and trade down for more assets. Lots of interesting and potentially beautiful scenarios imo.

The most likely one is simply standing pat and taking one of the consensus top-2 QBs. I’d be thrilled with either Maye or Williams. It’s a fantastic spot to be in.

Thank you NYJ for idiotically making this a reality.

 

[Jags]

UNC fans. Were Howell and Maye ever on the same roster and how did they get along?

I think I would roll with both and Keep Howell for the rest of his rookie contract that is dirt cheap.

Same. If someone offers something huge for Howell, sure, take it. Having both makes too much sense otherwise. Forget about insurance for Maye; I'd be looking to ease him in regardless. I'm more interested in having 2 shots to finally find our franchise QB.

Sam showed some things this year. I still think he's got real potential if he doesn't let this year get him down.

Take Maye, name Howell your starter unless Maye laps him in camp, let Sam take the early lumps as the new offense gels, and just see what happens. If Sam proves himself a bona fide franchise QB, great. Trade whoever's lesser for a mint and continue your rebuild. I really like Maye, but no reason to jettison Sam while he's still cheap.

My one gripe about Maye is that I'm a touch typist; every time I type his name it comes out Maybe, and that's not a good sign. I have a similar issue with Penix, so he's definitely out.

 

[Bananas]

Maye and Howell are buddies and play golf together, talk on the phone, etc.

 

[Ridley Simon]

The absolute only way I could get behind trading next years first is if we were to package it to get back into the early first to get one of the OTs after we've already taken the QB. If you can get a franchise QB and his franchise LT in the same year, effing-A, you do it.
HOU made the boss move last year (DE instead of OT, but still), and it changed their entire franchise -- along with a new coach. Not a bad precedent.

“Hi, Chicago??”

I’d be open to getting 1 & 9 for 2 and a bunch of stuff.

 

[kicksavedave]

“Hi, Chicago??”

I’d be open to getting 1 & 9 for 2 and a bunch of stuff.

The cost to move to 1 is going to be a kings ransom. Its not worth it when the 2nd QB will likely rank close to the #1 QB. There's also likely to be a few teams looking to move into that slot, increasing the price. I'd consider moving some assets for a pick around 6-7 to shoot for one of the tackles, but there's also a solid group of tackles available around our high 2nd rounders that should suffice.

Let it also be known, I hate drafting for need, and even discussing this approach gives me a rash. I'm going to be hideous to look at by draft day.

 

[kicksavedave]

A good primer on the top 100 prospects.

NFL Draft prospects 2024: Big board of top 100 players overall, rankings by position | Sporting News

With the college football season ending and the draft process starting, here's an updated look at the top 100 overall prospects for the 2024 NFL Draft and the best players available by position.

www.sportingnews.com

1 MH2
2 CW
3 Maye
4 Bowers the TE
5 Alt the LT

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

“Hi, Chicago??”

I’d be open to getting 1 & 9 for 2 and a bunch of stuff.

2024 NFL Mock Draft: Jets get Aaron Rodgers another playmaker; Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes gets more protection

Predicting the entire first round after the NFL regular season

www.cbssports.com

TRADE DETAILS: Washington sends No. 2, No. 41, 2025 first-rounder to Chicago for No. 1 overall pick.


Do not like that…..

 

[usiel]

Maserati = MH2? Makes sense, he seems like the most "can't miss" of the top 5 prospects. All of CW, Drake, Daniels and even Fashanu the LT, have risk.

However, I think the reason most high ranked prospects bust is because they are drafted by shit organizations that don't know how to build anything, which is why they're picking in the top five a lot. Fit is so important, surrounding them with the right people and scheme. Not all busts are busts because they can't play, some teams just ruin guys. Lets hope we're done doing that.



Daniels might go 3 based on need and the universal QB premium, but in terms of a prospect, every grade I've seen has him a whole tier below CW and Drake.

Some announcer called him Maserati Marvin. Found it should be queued up I just remember it the first time and it made me laugh.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Next year’s first is off the table for me unless a good player is coming back as part of a package. If they did 2OA + 41OA + 2025 1st to Chicago for 1OA + Cole Kmet (TE) or Jaquan Brisker (S) then that’s different but this team is in no position to be trading real draft capital to move up one slot when there’s not an Andrew Luck-type prospect at 1OA.

 

[John Price]

 

[Roric]

Well the draft is ages away, lets see some playoff predictions

Wildcard:
Steelers v Bills
Dolphins v Chiefs
Browns v Texans
Packers v Cowboys
Rams v Lions
Eagles v Bucs

Divisional:
Browns v Ravens
Chiefs v Bills
Rams v 49ers
Bucs v Cowboys

Championship
Browns v Bills
Cowboys v 49ers

Super Bowl
Bills v 49ers

 

[Jags]

The cost to move to 1 is going to be a kings ransom. Its not worth it when the 2nd QB will likely rank close to the #1 QB.

Agreed, and it runs deeper than that. Williams and Maye are different players. So I agree that they're similar in quantifiable talent, but I personally feel the things that make Maye elite are more ingrained, and his style seems less dangerous (both in terms of "dangerous decisions with the ball" and the regular kind of danger that gets you sacked so hard that the doc finds your gall bladder in your ear).

He feels like the safer pick to me, is all. And in a world where I do think they both bring comparable amounts of great stuff to the table, I want the safer pick. I've been through too much as a Skins fan. I can't take it anymore. I want a good QB that wants to be here, and I want our O-line to not break his leg. Is that too much to ask?

this team is in no position to be trading real draft capital to move up one slot when there’s not an Andrew Luck-type prospect at 1OA.

Absolutely, and Luck is the perfect example for us because just like the Colts, we have a horrendous track record lately of protecting our starting QB. We've had so many QBs with busted legs lately you'd think our medical staff was run by Tanya Harding.

We can't afford to give up any assets. We need a QB AND the means to protect him, along with a slew of other things. Take BQBA at #2 and make the most of every pick and every available cap dollar to pour the foundation upon which we can build a winner.

Trading valuable picks to move up one spot to pick someone who *might be* marginally better? That's some Danny shit right there.

 

[kicksavedave]

Agreed, and it runs deeper than that. Williams and Maye are different players. So I agree that they're similar in quantifiable talent, but I personally feel the things that make Maye elite are more ingrained, and his style seems less dangerous (both in terms of "dangerous decisions with the ball" and the regular kind of danger that gets you sacked so hard that the doc finds your gall bladder in your ear).

He feels like the safer pick to me, is all. And in a world where I do think they both bring comparable amounts of great stuff to the table, I want the safer pick. I've been through too much as a Skins fan. I can't take it anymore. I want a good QB that wants to be here, and I want our O-line to not break his leg. Is that too much to ask?



Absolutely, and Luck is the perfect example for us because just like the Colts, we have a horrendous track record lately of protecting our starting QB. We've had so many QBs with busted legs lately you'd think our medical staff was run by Tanya Harding.

We can't afford to give up any assets. We need a QB AND the means to protect him, along with a slew of other things. Take BQBA at #2 and make the most of every pick and every available cap dollar to pour the foundation upon which we can build a winner.

Trading valuable picks to move up one spot to pick someone who *might be* marginally better? That's some Danny shit right there.

Agreed with all of this and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

When I see the highlights of CW vs Maye, I constantly see Maye picking apart defenses, from the pocket, with precision laser deep and medium passes, with the occasional scramble ad lib mixed in. When I see CW, I see mostly off schedule plays that look spectacular, but I don't see a ton of him running a pro offense with precision. I see better athletic evasiveness from CW, but sufficient evasiveness and good pocket awareness from DM. Both guys can make off platform throws with strength and accuracy, but I want the guy who can destroy a defense by running the NFL offense, and Maye seems the safer bet there.

Ultimately, we're going to get one of the two and that will be great, but I'm hoping someone else falls in love with CW, either the Bears or a trade partner, and leaves us with Maye. That would be ideal to me.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I can't recall if it was Kiper or another draft guru but they did point out the Maserati is technically the best prospect in the draft it is just that QB needs that always push those to the top.

Ahhhh, wut?? LOL

I must’ve missed a memo. Who is that? Harrison?

 

[Ridley Simon]

If he ends up going 3rd, he’s certainly in the same draft atmosphere, and that was the topic.



Vrabel fired by the Titans…

That’s not always true bud. There are tiers in every draft. Especially in the top 10.

Going 3rd can = “the best of the rest”

NO to Daniel’s at 2. Just heck NO!!

Maye/Williams or PUNT!!