OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[kicksavedave]

Drake Maye or Caleb Williams with Ben Johnson as HC is the dream.

Ben Johnson is reportedly asking to be the 7th highest paid HC, in all professional sports. That's got to scare away a few owners.

I like the idea of poaching a GM and OC/DC from the same high performing team, like Hortiz and McDonald from the Ravens. It would reason they would be fully in sync on day one, and that's important.

 

[g00n]

I think their only obstacle are the 49ers and I think they are already deeply entrenched in Purdy's head. I'm pretty convinced they'll win it all.

I have a few futures bets involving the neeners and Ravens

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

EBs overall performance here has to be tempered by the utter chaos surrounding his personnel, the horrible OL he inherited, and being asked/told to make a 5th rnd QB with 1 start into a stud, certainly not an automatic or easy task. He performed well at times and Howell showed at times he was going to be a solid QB. But his play calling lacked imagination, and even common sense at times. He abandoned the run far too often. He called deep balls when the OL couldn't protect, far too often. He left Sam out to dry far too often.

I actually think he might be a better HC than play caller. He did instill a sense of urgency and demanded accountability, in ways previous OCs didn't. He set a culture that even RR didn't instill. His offensive design was fine, but the play calling just didn't seem to maximize his roster or conditions. I'm not going to lose any sleep if we reset completely and he walks for a HC position or isn't retained by the new HC. I don't think he's done enough to automatically be in the lead for the Redskins HC job.

Oh he’s gone….if not a HC, I bet he could grab an Assistant HC/OC title with any number of teams.

If he was under consideration for the job here, he would have been given the interim title and let run the team these past few weeks. A complete reset is coming. Will be an interesting thing to see who, if anyone on the staff stays. Maybe the assistant to the traveling secretary survives….


I think his playcalling in year 1 showed a lot of promise. He had SH near the top of the passing stats and that should not go under appreciated with that OL and a first year starter. Totally agree he failed at times with running playcalling, but he‘ll just keep improving as a play caller with reps IMO.

It also would not surprise me if they purposely went pass heavy all year, to be sure and see what they had in SH as a #1.

 

[kicksavedave]

Oh he’s gone….if not a HC, I bet he could grab an Assistant HC/OC title with any number of teams.

If he was under consideration for the job here, he would have been given the interim title and let run the team these past few weeks. A complete reset is coming. Will be an interesting thing to see who, if anyone on the staff stays. Maybe the assistant to the traveling secretary survives….

I think his playcalling in year 1 showed a lot of promise. He had SH near the top of the passing stats and that should not go under appreciated with that OL and a first year starter. Totally agree he failed at times with running playcalling, but he‘ll just keep improving as a play caller with reps IMO.

I know he's gone, I'm just saying that, where earlier in the season I would hope he would get the HC job, now I'm ambivalent about retaining him.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I know he's gone, I'm just saying that, where earlier in the season I would hope he would get the HC job, now I'm ambivalent about retaining him.

oh, well that sailed weeks ago when they kept to RR go down with the ship. I would have loved to see them do their due diligence and let him run with it, but I think ownership wanted no chance of a meaningless turnaround late. If we get a top QB, I won’t care.

 

[bacchist]

He’s been rumored to already be on the short list for two teams….dude is probably getting a HC gig this time. It’s his time.

Just wild to me that you can get promoted on the back of running a horrifically inept offense.

 

[kicksavedave]

Just wild to me that you can get promoted on the back of running a horrifically inept offense.

At times the eye test was "horrifically inept", but the fact is the stats, almost across the board, had them in the 12-17 range for most every major offensive category - 13th in total TDs, 16th in rushing TDs, 12th in passing yards, for example. Given they ran a 1st year QB with 1 prior start and 5th round pedigree out there for all 17 games, that's actually not that bad. Simple fact, there were a lot of teams with offenses that performed much, much worse than ours. The Commanders had 14 rushing TDs and 23 passing TDs. The Jets had 6 rushing and 11 passing, all year - that is truly inept.

Again, at times they looked awful. But at times they looked really solid too.

 

[bacchist]

At times the eye test was "horrifically inept", but the fact is the stats, almost across the board, had them in the 12-17 range for most every major offensive category. Given they ran a 1st year QB with 1 prior start and 5th round pedigree out there for all 17 games, that's actually not that bad. Simple fact, there were a lot of teams with offenses that performed much, much worse than ours.

Again, at times they looked awful. But at times they looked really solid too.

I feel like a lot of those stats are a product of playing from behind a lot and other teams easing up in garbage time. I'd be interested in seeing an analysis of how our offense performed while we were still in games.

 

[John Price]

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Just wild to me that you can get promoted on the back of running a horrifically inept offense.

That’s a gross exaggeration…..as Dave highlighted….

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Do we really want another D head coach with a top QB draft pick?

 

[kicksavedave]

Do we really want another D head coach with a top QB draft pick?

I get the idea of having the new QB and new offensive HC together in the same system for a while, but I just want a quality coach, no matter what his background. We've had so many clowns for so many years.

 

[bacchist]

That’s a gross exaggeration…..as Dave highlighted….

I mean, looking at the stats it's simply true. There are a couple categories where we were in the middle of the pack like Dave said (18th in fumbles lost, 17th in first downs, 18th in passing yards, 17th in passing tds, 14th in rushing tds) actually even 7th in yards per rushing attempt, which would have us running the ball a bit more instead of leading the league in pass attempts while being 30th in ints and 27th in yards per attempt... in fact dead last in rushing attempts. simply mind boggling.

average drive: 27th in time, 28th in plays, 23rd in yards, and 24th in points. 28th in sack %.... yeah, that tracks with the inept offense I watched all year. Bottom quarter of the league in pretty much everything there.

But if EB is going to fail forward and find a HC gig, good for him.

 

[TRASHCAT]

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We've had a lot of good coordinators in balt but Macdonald is the closest I've seen to genius

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I mean, looking at the stats it's simply true. There are a couple categories where we were in the middle of the pack like Dave said (18th in fumbles lost, 17th in first downs, 18th in passing yards, 17th in passing tds, 14th in rushing tds) actually even 7th in yards per rushing attempt, which would have us running the ball a bit more instead of leading the league in pass attempts while being 30th in ints and 27th in yards per attempt... in fact dead last in rushing attempts. simply mind boggling.

average drive: 27th in time, 28th in plays, 23rd in yards, and 24th in points. 28th in sack %.... yeah, that tracks with the inept offense I watched all year. Bottom quarter of the league in pretty much everything there.

But if EB is going to fail forward and find a HC gig, good for him.

He did all that here…he had some success despite a 5th round first year starter and a pathetic O line….oh and did I mention, he did it here, under lovable dotard RR.

You simply don’t give any credit for the difficult circumstances and that’s fine.

EB will probably do better with a better organization. All he had to do is prove he could play call TBH to tick that last box to be a HC. You call that failing forward, but that’s wrong so we move on.

 

[g00n]

I feel like a lot of those stats are a product of playing from behind a lot and other teams easing up in garbage time. I'd be interested in seeing an analysis of how our offense performed while we were still in games.

Well in general they were 11th in the league in points in the 4th quarter so again in that same range as the other stats.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team 4th Quarter Points/Game | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football 4th quarter points/game, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

Other teams around the league would've padded their stats in garbage time, too

 

[usiel]

Don’t forget strip clubs and hammerjacks!!!

It I may ask…are you already crowning them champs?

Gave me flash back to the original hammerjacks what an awesome venue that got torn down for the raven stadium parking lot. Saw King Diamond there plus Anthrax on their among the living tour.

 

[g00n]

Gave me flash back to the original hammerjacks what an awesome venue that got torn down for the raven stadium parking lot. Saw King Diamond there plus Anthrax on their among the living tour.

Saw the Ramones there. JFC they were LOUD. It was gweat.

 

[bacchist]

Well in general they were 11th in the league in points in the 4th quarter so again in that same range as the other stats.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team 4th Quarter Points/Game | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football 4th quarter points/game, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

Other teams around the league would've padded their stats in garbage time, too

If you look at % of scoring in the 4th quarter, we jump up to 4th.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team 4th Quarter Score % | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football 4th quarter score %, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

 

[g00n]

If you look at % of scoring in the 4th quarter, we jump up to 4th.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team 4th Quarter Score % | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football 4th quarter score %, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

That stat isn't defined very clearly but I don't think that means more than total points per game in the 4th quarter.

 

[bacchist]

That stat isn't defined very clearly but I don't think that means more than total points per game in the 4th quarter.

Yes, which supports the suggestion that a lot of they're production came in garbage time.

 

[g00n]

Yes, which supports the suggestion that a lot of they're production came in garbage time.

Very possible. I'm finding more stats and looking at their 1Q scoring which is terrible.

Sam also has the most yds of any QB when trailing.

But again this is possibly skewed toward a sample bias because they're trailing so f***ing much.

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/when-trailing/2023?sort=passyds

Switch it to "when leading" and Sam only has 88 total pass attempts all year when leading. LOL

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/when-leading/2023?sort=passatt

 

[bacchist]

Very possible. I'm finding more stats and looking at their 1Q scoring which is terrible.

Sam also has the most yds of any QB when trailing.

But again this is possibly skewed toward a sample bias because they're trailing so f***ing much.

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/when-trailing/2023?sort=passyds

Switch it to "when leading" and Sam only has 88 total pass attempts all year when leading. LOL

https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-splits/passing/when-leading/2023?sort=passatt

Oh my.

 

[Ridley Simon]

That's only if he's hired as a HC or GM, right? Who is that desperate for a HC after the performance he's given here as an OC?

Bears were rumoured, as are the Falcons.

 

[John Price]

'He knows how to build a franchise': What Commanders can expect from Josh Harris after Rivera firing

Harris' past could provide a blueprint for how he'll proceed in Washington.

www.espn.com

One former coach during Snyder's tenure described his process as "chaotic." Sometimes he'd ask questions, the source said, but other times he would simply tell staffers to "get it done."

In 2022, Snyder pushed the front office to finalize a deal for quarterback Carson Wentz. Multiple team sources said that pressure resulted in them overpaying for Wentz -- sending two third-round picks to the Indianapolis Colts for a player Indy no longer wanted.

Before the 2019 draft, multiple sources said Snyder pushed for his scouts to move Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins from the third round to the first round on their draft board. When Haskins was available at No. 15, Snyder told them to "take the quarterback."

lol

"Jay Gruden, who coached under Snyder from 2014-2019, said Snyder often passed along his wishes through team president Bruce Allen, who would relay it to the football staff. He said it often led to the coaches and front office not being in accord on players.

Gruden said there were times Snyder and Allen would pursue and sign free agents with little regard to how they fit Washington's scheme.

It was a difficult way to build sustained success and contrasts with how sources say Harris has operated with his other te ams."