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sycamore said:
Detroit is going no where. Benificiaries of a soft schedule and a weak division, they are in for a rude awakening in the playoffs.

And it will serve them right for blowing the 2023 draft. This is a team that could have had Christian Gonzalez and/or Zay Flowers. But bad teams gonna be bad teams.
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I dunno. They are certainly the class of the North division. Which is better than the South, LOL.

Det plays Dal this week. So will be a good measuring stick. I think Det is better than you give them credit for. They have a really good OL, some nice offensive skill parts, and some really good playmakers on defense.

I wouldn’t sleep on them at all.

And they also beat KC before it became fashionable, also while on the road.
 
g00n said:
On another topic, when was the last time we saw a franchise player basically hold out for a massive deal and then come back and have an MVP quality season the next year.

Ravens fans will remember how Flacco kind of reverted to mediocre after his huge deal, and that seems to be the norm in most sports....ball out in a contract year to get the money and then coast.

yeah yeah...we'll see how he does in the playoffs this year but seriously I don't remember the last superstar to just crank things up several gears AFTER signing the big deal.
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Pretty sure he keeps a massive chip on his shoulder regardless, but he’s been great….however, just like Dak, playoffs….win some big games.
 
With the first off season/draft under new ownership, a new GM, a new coaching staff.... picking a QB just seems to be the smell.
 
yeah, but you have at least 3 qb's right now

i'm not a tank guy but they chose a pretty good year to go on this losing streak. isn't someone like chase young that they can draft that high, but a signal caller
 
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John Price said:
yeah, but you have at least 3 qb's right now
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Do we think Jake Fromm is going to beat out a top 5 rookie pick for a roster spot?

Brissett is a good veteran presence and backup but likely not the guy a new owner and rebuilding franchise is going to see as a centerpiece for the next phase. I see him as a guy who can probably get you to the playoffs if the defense isn't horrid.

Howell is a known unknown in that he has flashes of potential but may or may not have "it", and there's nothing wrong with a 3-way competition between him, a veteran like JB, and a blue chip prospect.

They're going to have to improve the OL no matter what. And with all the cap space and later picks I don't see why they can't do it that way.
 
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Uh oh.

Though I don't think JB can stop this tank from rolling, at least vs what's likely a very pissed-off SF. Maybe Dallas.
 
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Just let Sam play…no need to play JB.

g00n said:
Do we think Jake Fromm is going to beat out a top 5 rookie pick for a roster spot?

Brissett is a good veteran presence and backup but likely not the guy a new owner and rebuilding franchise is going to see as a centerpiece for the next phase. I see him as a guy who can probably get you to the playoffs if the defense isn't horrid.

Howell is a known unknown in that he has flashes of potential but may or may not have "it", and there's nothing wrong with a 3-way competition between him, a veteran like JB, and a blue chip prospect.

They're going to have to improve the OL no matter what. And with all the cap space and later picks I don't see why they can't do it that way.
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This yes….
 
g00n said:
Do we think Jake Fromm is going to beat out a top 5 rookie pick for a roster spot?

Brissett is a good veteran presence and backup but likely not the guy a new owner and rebuilding franchise is going to see as a centerpiece for the next phase. I see him as a guy who can probably get you to the playoffs if the defense isn't horrid.

Howell is a known unknown in that he has flashes of potential but may or may not have "it", and there's nothing wrong with a 3-way competition between him, a veteran like JB, and a blue chip prospect.

They're going to have to improve the OL no matter what. And with all the cap space and later picks I don't see why they can't do it that way.
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If they like a QB in the top 5 better than Sam - then sure, take him. But they may as well move on from Sam at that point. Another team will still have 2 years left to make a financial decision on him, so he’s potentially still a good value.

I don’t think an “open competition” between young QBs ever really works. If you like someone enough to take them top 5, then they are your future - the competition is not gonna be “open.” Having a young QB constantly looking over their shoulder never seems to work. If you take a QB that high, then you need to give them a long leash to see what they can become.

We’ve seen the “two young QBs in competition” model fail twice with RG3/Kirk; and Shuler/Frerotte. The higher pedigree faltered enough that the fans, and coaches pushed for the other young guy. And in the end, none were the long term answer. It’s better to have a JB style mentor as the backup.

Also, with the rookie cap scale, there’s no reason to just let a 1st rounder sit for a whole year (like we used to do). You need to see what you have quickly since you have to decide whether to commit financially by year 4 (or 5, if you pick up the option for 1st rounders). Moreover, if he’s good, you want to maximize those cheap years.
 
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RedRocking said:
If they like a QB in the top 5 better than Sam - then sure, take him. But they may as well move on from Sam at that point. Another team will still have 2 years left to make a financial decision on him, so he’s potentially still a good value.

I don’t think an “open competition” between young QBs ever really works. If you like someone enough to take them top 5, then they are your future - the competition is not gonna be “open”. Having a young QB constantly looking over their shoulder never seems to work. If you take a QB that high, then you need to give them a long leash to see what they can become.

We’ve seen the “two young QBs in competition” model fail twice with RG3/Kirk; and Shuler/Frerotte. The higher pedigree faltered enough that the fans, and coaches pushed for the other young guy. And in the end, none were the long term answer. It’s better to have a JB style mentor as the backup.

Also, with the rookie cap scale, there’s no reason to just let a 1st rounder sit for a whole year (like we used to do). You need to see what you have quickly since you have to decide whether to commit financially by year 4 (or 5, if you pick up the option for 1st rounders). Moreover, if he’s good, you want to maximize those cheap years.
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Having 2 young top QB prospects competing for a spot rarely works because it's rarely tried.

It happens all the time at every other position in every other sport.
 
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g00n said:
Having 2 young top QB prospects competing for a spot rarely works because it's rarely tried.

It happens all the time at every other position in every other sport.
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“If you’ve got two QBs, you have none.” - John Madden.

Sure, it would be nice if this concept worked and young QBs weren’t so fragile that they could stand some meaningful competition. But, again, we’ve seen this fail twice - the last 2 times we drafted a QB this high - with just our own team.

Or you can look at a well run team, the 49ers. As soon as they saw Purdy succeed, they couldn’t get Trey Lance out of the building fast enough.
 
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RedRocking said:
“If you’ve got two QBs, you have none.” - John Madden.

Sure, it would be nice if this concept worked and young QBs weren’t so fragile that they could stand some meaningful competition. But, again, we’ve seen this fail twice - the last 2 times we drafted a QB this high - with just our own team.

Or you can look at a well run team, the 49ers. As soon as they saw Purdy succeed, they couldn’t get Trey Lance out of the building fast enough.
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BOOM! - John Madden

Madden coached in a different era. Players and systems and college sports were all different. Salary cap came into play in 1994. Rooke wage scales weren't codified until 2011 and before that rookie QBs were often paid way more than everyone else.

Madden also was likely talking about having two QB1s, not two prospects fighting for a job. I'm pretty sure he'd have embraced that kind of competition.

Trey Lance was injured and his replacement was better. He played like 4 games. Having a plan b for something like that kind of proves my point.
 
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g00n said:
On another topic, when was the last time we saw a franchise player basically hold out for a massive deal and then come back and have an MVP quality season the next year.

Ravens fans will remember how Flacco kind of reverted to mediocre after his huge deal, and that seems to be the norm in most sports....ball out in a contract year to get the money and then coast.

yeah yeah...we'll see how he does in the playoffs this year but seriously I don't remember the last superstar to just crank things up several gears AFTER signing the big deal.
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Brady.

sycamore said:
Detroit is going no where. Benificiaries of a soft schedule and a weak division, they are in for a rude awakening in the playoffs.

And it will serve them right for blowing the 2023 draft. This is a team that could have had Christian Gonzalez and/or Zay Flowers. But bad teams gonna be bad teams.
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Their draft was phenomenal.
 
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Bananas said:
Their draft was phenomenal.
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They drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs about 15 picks too early. And LB Jack Campbell was also considered a reach. Meanwhile, they missed out top 10 talent like Christian Gonzalez and Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
It was a very poor draft for them.
 
sycamore said:
They drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs about 15 picks too early. And LB Jack Campbell was also considered a reach. Meanwhile, they missed out top 10 talent like Christian Gonzalez and Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
It was a very poor draft for them.
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Dude, GTFOH. They also drafted the best TE in the NFL this year and a starting CB who has made key plays all year. They probably flubbed the LB pick but they got 4 Day 1 NFL starters. Mayhew would cream his jeans if he could pull that off.
 
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g00n said:
Do we think Jake Fromm is going to beat out a top 5 rookie pick for a roster spot?

Brissett is a good veteran presence and backup but likely not the guy a new owner and rebuilding franchise is going to see as a centerpiece for the next phase. I see him as a guy who can probably get you to the playoffs if the defense isn't horrid.

Howell is a known unknown in that he has flashes of potential but may or may not have "it", and there's nothing wrong with a 3-way competition between him, a veteran like JB, and a blue chip prospect.

They're going to have to improve the OL no matter what. And with all the cap space and later picks I don't see why they can't do it that way.
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I think “you have 3 qb’s right now” was referring to the draft and not the roster, saying there are three floating around the top and the opportunity to pick one is hard to ignore
 
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RedRocking said:
If they like a QB in the top 5 better than Sam - then sure, take him. But they may as well move on from Sam at that point. Another team will still have 2 years left to make a financial decision on him, so he’s potentially still a good value.

I don’t think an “open competition” between young QBs ever really works. If you like someone enough to take them top 5, then they are your future - the competition is not gonna be “open.” Having a young QB constantly looking over their shoulder never seems to work. If you take a QB that high, then you need to give them a long leash to see what they can become.

We’ve seen the “two young QBs in competition” model fail twice with RG3/Kirk; and Shuler/Frerotte. The higher pedigree faltered enough that the fans, and coaches pushed for the other young guy. And in the end, none were the long term answer. It’s better to have a JB style mentor as the backup.

Also, with the rookie cap scale, there’s no reason to just let a 1st rounder sit for a whole year (like we used to do). You need to see what you have quickly since you have to decide whether to commit financially by year 4 (or 5, if you pick up the option for 1st rounders). Moreover, if he’s good, you want to maximize those cheap years.
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It worked for Kirk, the front office screwed that up
 
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John Price said:
The odds are mostly against you but yeah if you hit and you throw down only 5 dollars that's huge. even if you put down 1 dollar and cook a wild parlay you can get a return of like 500.

if you win ofc
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Tax man will be coming for a good chunk of that but yea still an amazing return
 
Bananas said:
Dude, GTFOH. They also drafted the best TE in the NFL this year and a starting CB who has made key plays all year. They probably flubbed the LB pick but they got 4 Day 1 NFL starters. Mayhew would cream his jeans if he could pull that off.
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Go and read the draft grades for this past draft and the Lions finish at the bottom of just about everyone's list. Matt Millen is obviously somehow still their GM behind the scenes.
 
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