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In contrast to his predecessor Daniel Snyder's impetuous and impulsive ways, Harris has taken a measured approach to his management of the organization, including giving Rivera and the front office a full season on the job. But Harris' history as a team owner with the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers, the NHL's New Jersey Devils and Crystal Palace of the Premier League suggests he won't hesitate to make changes after the season. His teams have fired two coaches in 2023 already -- the Sixers' Doc Rivers and CPFC's Patrick Vieira -- though neither of those moves were particularly unexpected.

I would still be curious to know if those moves were decisions the GM made and the owner approved, or if those moves were initiated at the owners level. Its a big difference in the ownership style - chain of command, and it matters a lot in terms of how he will manage the Redskins.
 

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Howell 5th in the NFC for Pro Bowl votes. With some of those guys making the playoffs and likely withdrawing, it's entirely possible he could play in the Pro Bowl this year.

Imagine before the season someone told you that Howell would be leading or close to leading the league in many passing categories and would be top five Pro Bowl votes at his position in the NFC... you probably would have thought that person was a delusional homer. Now imagine someone telling you all of the above but that the team would still only win four games despite his production at QB and that people would still want to get rid of him to draft someone else. Crazy town.

They already moved on from an imperfect QB in Cousins and spent almost years trying to find a new one... build around Howell and use the picks to make this roster less shitty. If they suck ass again there will be another chance to draft a QB high in the first round.

 

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Howell 5th in the NFC for Pro Bowl votes. With some of those guys making the playoffs and likely withdrawing, it's entirely possible he could play in the Pro Bowl this year.

Imagine before the season someone told you that Howell would be leading or close to leading the league in many passing categories and would be top five Pro Bowl votes at his position in the NFC... you probably would have thought that person was a delusional homer. Now imagine someone telling you all of the above but that the team would still only win four games despite his production at QB and that people would still want to get rid of him to draft someone else. Crazy town.

They already moved on from an imperfect QB in Cousins and spent almost years trying to find a new one... build around Howell and use the picks to make this roster less shitty. If they suck ass again there will be another chance to draft a QB high in the first round.



Well would you have told us ahead of time that he would pace for the 12th most passing attempts ever in a season? ;)
 

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Yeah sure why not… he still has to complete the throws and play well in order to get the stats.

Since they wouldn’t keep having him drop back if he sucked, I’m going with yes….I would have believed he would be up there in the passing categories. The Pro-Bowl thing means a lot less if others are pulling out, but still nice. It’s the Bienemy effect on the passing game.
 
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This might be a spicy take but it's a continuation of what I said earlier in the year.

Howell might have played RR out of a job.

If Howell had obviously sucked this season RR would've had an easy, early excuse to Haskins him and put in Brissett for that veteran stability as they chase a playoff spot or at least respectability.

As it stands, Howell has gained the attention of the league and the sports media and such a move is virtually impossible.

So RR is stuck with a team going down the tubes and nobody left to fire now that JDR is finally sacrificed (way too late probably due to their personal relationship).

All he can do is ride it out and network, and maybe pray for wins vs LAR and NYJ and some kind of miracle vs a DAL team possibly resting starters in WK18 to get to 7-10, which presents a glimmer of hope for keeping his job.

edit: I guess it may be possible for SF to rest some guys in wk17 depending on seeding scenarios but I haven't calculated them yet. DAL have the hardest schedule of the 3 top NFC teams competing for the bye, SF the next hardest, and PHI a much easier path. If there's no chance to change a seed that may be enough, too.
 

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RR will never have another HC job in the NFL….and in no way do I think he would have gotten an extension after this season had SH just sucked.

The game has passed RR by on some levels.
 

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RR will never have another HC job in the NFL….and in no way do I think he would have gotten an extension after this season had SH just sucked.

The game has passed RR by on some levels.
Maybe we just need to acknowledge that he’s not a good coach, period? He has three winning seasons in 13 as a head coach and each of his three winning seasons were followed by losing seasons so it’s not like he was able to sustain a culture of success either. He’s a super good dude and seemingly a great leader of men but I think from an Xs and Os perspective as well as from a talent evaluation perspective he’s never shown to be anything better than average, at best.
 
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Maybe we just need to acknowledge that he’s not a good coach, period? He has three winning seasons in 13 as a head coach and each of his three winning seasons were followed by losing seasons so it’s not like he was able to sustain a culture of success either. He’s a super good dude and seemingly a great leader of men but I think from an Xs and Os perspective as well as from a talent evaluation perspective he’s never shown to be anything better than average, at best.

I think it's obvious he's massively overrated and have bagged on him for his record many times, but it's well within the realm of possibility that he could charm or intimidate or or guilt trip or whatever he does in order to extend his stay, depending on how things fall and how the new owner (and other investors) view him as a person and leader.

Weirder things have happened. Shit coaches get jobs all the time. And he seems to be pretty good at convincing executives he knows what he's doing and is worth consulting at the very least, even if the people below him are f***ing up.
 

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JH would quickly lose the fans if RR was extended. I believe if the ownership change occurred earlier, RR would have already been replaced before this season. Can’t imagine RR hoodwinking any NFL owners at this stage. Good leader, great respectable guy, but he’s not on top of it in-game any more.
 
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Since they wouldn’t keep having him drop back if he sucked, I’m going with yes….I would have believed he would be up there in the passing categories.

Yeah, I agree. The way the game is stacked against DBs these days, damn near any starter given the number of swings EB is handing out could put up a lot of yards. And that's really all it is, yards. The rest of his stats are either middling or abysmal.

With the entirety of the situation taken into consideration, however, I do think ABro's point still holds up. Howell has shown enough under hellacious circumstances to earn QB1 here and dispel any notion that we should consider drafting another one early.

And I watch enough NFL coverage to see that most of the punditry out there agrees, including current and ex-NFL players. The Kelces were very impressed with him on their podcast a few weeks ago, and McAfee, Hawk, and their guys all say he's "a dawg" while barking and clapping, which I assume is good. ;)

We have a keeper at QB. Now all we gotta do is go find about 30 more to other positions and a coach to wrangle 'em.
 
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If they’re selecting top-3, they have to at least consider taking one of the top-2 QBs. I’d hope they would at least do their due diligence and then trade back if possible. In the 2nd, I would seriously consider drafting a backup if Nix or someone else good is still there, but that’s me. Having a strong rookie to groom behind Sam would be a nice backup plan, and that’s no knock on Sam, but you can never have enough good QBs for my tastes.
 
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JH would quickly lose the fans if RR was extended. I believe if the ownership change occurred earlier, RR would have already been replaced before this season. Can’t imagine RR hoodwinking any NFL owners at this stage. Good leader, great respectable guy, but he’s not on top of it in-game any more.

I don't know, it's all speculation.

Look at Frank Reich in Carolina. Never should've been hired in the first place.

Now I wonder if RR is going to try and go back there....
 

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I don't know, it's all speculation.

Look at Frank Reich in Carolina. Never should've been hired in the first place.

Now I wonder if RR is going to try and go back there....

The pundits I’ve seen talk about Reich say he just took the wrong job (with a questionable owner), and will get another HC gig. You’re not hearing that chatter about RR. But yes…speculation.
 

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The pundits I’ve seen talk about Reich say he just took the wrong job (with a questionable owner), and will get another HC gig. You’re not hearing that chatter about RR. But yes…speculation.
Well I don't base my opinions on volume of sports ghoul chatter. LOL
 

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Well I don't base my opinions on volume of sports ghoul chatter. LOL

Neither do I but I try to take in as much info from knowledgeable sources in the game, then form my own.

Not a bad strategy to gather all the knowledge you can. Otherwise you formulate opinions based on just that, our own opinions that really mean nothing because we aren’t insiders who talk to owners, execs, and other coaches regularly.
 
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Neither do I but I try to take in as much info from knowledgeable sources in the game, then form my own.

Not a bad strategy to gather all the knowledge you can. Otherwise you formulate opinions based on just that, our own opinions that really mean nothing because we aren’t insiders who talk to owners, execs, and other coaches regularly.

Yeah but sports media is click/view based so a lot of chatter doesn't mean much by itself. And to your point about insider stuff, we only know what we see on the field and in interviews. Maybe RR is much more than he lets on through that lens.

Retread coaching hires are common. RR may have a shitty overall record but he has a reputation as a "character" guy who can get an organization marching in single file. If there are any teams out there who are in disarray internally they might give him another look.

Personally, I doubt he's got some massive coaching talent that will be in high demand, and as I've said before I think he's good at "commanding" the room enough to snow enough people into trusting him, for lack of a better phrase. He could still b.s. someone into giving him another HC job. It's possible.
 

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If they’re selecting top-3, they have to at least consider taking one of the top-2 QBs. I’d hope they would at least do their due diligence and then trade back if possible. In the 2nd, I would seriously consider drafting a backup if Nix or someone else good is still there, but that’s me. Having a strong rookie to groom behind Sam would be a nice backup plan, and that’s no knock on Sam, but you can never have enough good QBs for my tastes.
This is where I sit too. You’d like to “hope” they won’t be a 4 or 5 win team under the new regime, unless they sell everything off on purpose (like Car or AZ).

It’s a good, deep, QB class. I’d really like to see them pick up another QB with one of their top 3 picks. If Sam excel’s, as does the new rookie = great problem to have.
 
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Yeah, I agree. The way the game is stacked against DBs these days, damn near any starter given the number of swings EB is handing out could put up a lot of yards. And that's really all it is, yards. The rest of his stats are either middling or abysmal.

With the entirety of the situation taken into consideration, however, I do think ABro's point still holds up. Howell has shown enough under hellacious circumstances to earn QB1 here and dispel any notion that we should consider drafting another one early.

And I watch enough NFL coverage to see that most of the punditry out there agrees, including current and ex-NFL players. The Kelces were very impressed with him on their podcast a few weeks ago, and McAfee, Hawk, and their guys all say he's "a dawg" while barking and clapping, which I assume is good. ;)

We have a keeper at QB. Now all we gotta do is go find about 30 more to other positions and a coach to wrangle 'em.
I think he's been asked to shoulder too much of the offense as a second year guy who was selected in the fifth round with a first year OC and a dumpster fire burning around him. He's certainly had some struggles but any time you are asked to throw the ball as often as he's been asked to throw it, especially as a young guy being a starter for the first time and being behind a porous offensive line, you're going to have growing pains. He's by no means perfect or a slam dunk to succeed and has a ton of room to improve but he's got all of the physical tools and a lot of the intangibles that you'd want in a QB. Unless you think you're getting a bonafide superstar I don't see how using one of their five top 100 picks on a QB makes any sense given this front office and coaching staff and likely a lot of the roster will be reset from scratch.

 

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I’ll bet you Reich will be an NFL HC again before RR. RR will never lead an NFL team again IMO.
He's finished as a coach in this league, period, I think. Who would even give him a DC job after this? Half of his defense were first round picks and they were literally the worst defense in the NFL this year. If the defense was even average this team is in the playoffs.
 
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He's finished as a coach in this league, period, I think. Who would even give him a DC job after this? Half of his defense were first round picks and they were literally the worst defense in the NFL this year. If the defense was even average this team is in the playoffs.
You guys are missing the Snyder Factor. I'm guessing there's enough hatred for Snyder around the league that just about anyone coming out of the WFT environment is going to have a bit of a discount on their behavior for a short time period.

The halo effect won't last long but it might be big enough to give RR cover to at least land a job in the NFL somewhere, maybe even another HC position if the openings fall the right way.

His main problem is there are only a few teams that will probably be hunting for a new coach this offseason. But most of them will likely be in his old division, including Carolina.
 
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