OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

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They’ve given up 32, 45, 45…..seems clear to me they are….

The Dolphins and Cowboys are the top 2 offenses in the league and MIA came a week after the DC was fired. Hard to tell if they gave up those points because the team quit, or because they suck and the other team is just elite.

The horrid defensive performances against NYG and the Bears are much more suspect.

This may surprise you but WFT are 10th in the NFL in total TDs. But they're wildly inconsistent from game to game.

Over the next 4 games they'll face the 2nd and 4th ranked defense in points against (DAL and SF) as well as the 14th and 15th (Rams and Jets). 10-20pts per game might be all we can expect the rest of the way regardless of buy-in.

And without a solid DC running things they're likely to get shredded by DAL and SF who are #1 and #3 in points/game. Rams are 13th and Jets are 30th. Maybe they can get lucky vs LA and NYJ but they're going to get skulldragged by the Cowboys and Niners and there's probably nothing anyone can do about it.

So I guess let RR endure it and play out the string, unless he just embarrasses the franchise somehow. Like with some goofy ass trick play a la Zorn.
 
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Upset players….sick of losing? You don’t say Ron…
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No shit. So what? That goes for every organization. I'll probably be accused of being too nitpicky and hard on RR again but this doesn't seem like the correct response in this situation.

"Yeah it sucks but it sucks for everyone"

Ok. Great. You're in charge. What are you doing about it? Don't just say "everyone's upset therefore you can't really be upset". That seems to be the implication.

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There you go.

Noble losers with good "character" is for Pop Warner, not the NFL.
 
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No shit. So what? That goes for every organization. I'll probably be accused of being too nitpicky and hard on RR again but this doesn't seem like the correct response in this situation.

"Yeah it sucks but it sucks for everyone"

Ok. Great. You're in charge. What are you doing about it? Don't just say "everyone's upset therefore you can't really be upset". That seems to be the implication.

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There you go.

Noble losers with good "character" is for Pop Warner, not the NFL.

Yup exactly. Dude is just spilling nonsense to the players and the press. What a clown show this has turned into with this guy. It’s sad, but he should have been gone a while ago.
 
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Yea, I imagine everything will be on the table this offseason. It would be kinda nuts (imho) if they move on from Howell, but it wouldn’t necessarily surprise me.

The Bears, Pats, and even the Cards (if Murray stinks enough that they are picking before us) should be looking to take a QB, so would be nice if we aren’t and can take a top guy at another position.

My dream scenario, if we get 3OA, is Marvin Harrison, Jr. I mean, he’s basically his dad, but is 6’4”. Get Howell that generational talent he can grow with like: Hurts to AJ Brown, Burrow to Chase, or Tua to Waddle, etc…

Otherwise, one of the tackles, Alt or Fashanu would be great.

Tua to …. Waddle!?!? lol
 
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We think we have a dysfunctional organization, and then there's the jets

If I make it to week 16 of fantasy playoffs and wilson is playing against us, im absolutely picking him up. Will probably put up 300 and 3 TDs
 
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I love how a small segment of fans are saying we must stay the course or he’s just another Snyder….what a crock of steaming horseshit.

I don't think anyone's saying that. They're saying that Harris is in the unenviable position of having to convince the fanbase that ANYTHING that might reek of Snyderism is completely in the past. So everything from the coaching staff up being a clean slate executed the proper way is key.

If you want the best GM candidates they'll want the freedom to build from scratch -- even the feeling or appearance of incumbent coaches, a "You can fire/cut everyone but these 9 people" situation, or anything else that smells like ownership encroachment could lose us the guru we need.

Same goes for coaching options, and for all the same reasons.

The "crock of steaming horseshit" argument is "Loving all the hypocrites that wanted Lavi out last year but want RR to stay this year." First of all, not many were advocating that Lavi be fired midseason, and those that were are the same "burn it down" people every sports forum has.

Secondly, people generally wanted Lavi gone because of the perception that he was standing in the way of the team getting some goddamn youth into the lineup. I think most would agree that he's a good coach, just not for a team on the brink of that kind of rebuild.

And lastly, I don't think anyone is for keeping Ron because he's misunderstood or venerated, or because he survived cancer. It has nothing to do with Ron. There's just nothing to be gained aside from a possibly weaker draft position and the risk of midseason drama being perceived league-wide as a continuation of a shit organization, sending a clear message to the best GMs, coaches, and free agents that coming to DC is still a really f***ing stupid idea.

We can't afford either of those things right now. Any players or coaches in the organization that can't see the forest through the trees and are thus so dispirited by their own impatience that they can't survive a few more weeks probably don't have the fortitude to stomach the time it'll take to build a winner regardless.

And I totally disagree a “complete rebuild” is coming. They’re not burning it down, they’re replacing management/coaching staff.

So they're not burning it down, they're just firing everyone so they can all be replaced?

This is just the same old "It's not a rebuild, it's a retool" semantic bullshit argument. Sure, the new regime might keep a coach and the players worth keeping. That's what always happens in a rebuild or retool or restructure or overhaul or whatever other masturbatory synonyms you want to throw out there to make nonsense distinctions between processes that are mostly identical.

Teams successfully rebuild by replacing whatever needs replacing, regardless of which word you pluck from the thesaurus.

I’m torn….like Sam, but I could be swayed and he might return a nice bounty in another year.

I agree, but Sam showed a lot this year, including the ability to learn and adjust. The recent downturn is team-wide, so I wouldn't be too quick to heap additional scrutiny or criticism on him when the whole team is reeling. All the right tools are there.

Given the quality of this draft, our abundance of picks, and likely high draft position, the only QB I'd even consider taking is another Howell -- someone that falls to the 4th or below that has all the qualities you look for but fell for reasons that don't matter. Then you've got Sam's last 2 cheap years to evaluate both, but you're using the top of your draft to fill our many desperate needs (that now also include pass-rushing D-linemen).

If the BPA in the first 3 rounds is clearly a QB and there are smart options to trade back, that's a no-brainer, and there are a couple O-linemen worth taking early. We don't need Howell to be the best QB ever. The potential he's shown should be plenty.
 

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I don't think anyone's saying that. They're saying that Harris is in the unenviable position of having to convince the fanbase that ANYTHING that might reek of Snyderism is completely in the past. So everything from the coaching staff up being a clean slate executed the proper way is key.

If you want the best GM candidates they'll want the freedom to build from scratch -- even the feeling or appearance of incumbent coaches, a "You can fire/cut everyone but these 9 people" situation, or anything else that smells like ownership encroachment could lose us the guru we need.

Same goes for coaching options, and for all the same reasons.

The "crock of steaming horseshit" argument is "Loving all the hypocrites that wanted Lavi out last year but want RR to stay this year." First of all, not many were advocating that Lavi be fired midseason, and those that were are the same "burn it down" people every sports forum has.

Secondly, people generally wanted Lavi gone because of the perception that he was standing in the way of the team getting some goddamn youth into the lineup. I think most would agree that he's a good coach, just not for a team on the brink of that kind of rebuild.

And lastly, I don't think anyone is for keeping Ron because he's misunderstood or venerated, or because he survived cancer. It has nothing to do with Ron. There's just nothing to be gained aside from a possibly weaker draft position and the risk of midseason drama being perceived league-wide as a continuation of a shit organization, sending a clear message to the best GMs, coaches, and free agents that coming to DC is still a really f***ing stupid idea.

We can't afford either of those things right now. Any players or coaches in the organization that can't see the forest through the trees and are thus so dispirited by their own impatience that they can't survive a few more weeks probably don't have the fortitude to stomach the time it'll take to build a winner regardless.



So they're not burning it down, they're just firing everyone so they can all be replaced?

This is just the same old "It's not a rebuild, it's a retool" semantic bullshit argument. Sure, the new regime might keep a coach and the players worth keeping. That's what always happens in a rebuild or retool or restructure or overhaul or whatever other masturbatory synonyms you want to throw out there to make nonsense distinctions between processes that are mostly identical.

Teams successfully rebuild by replacing whatever needs replacing, regardless of which word you pluck from the thesaurus.



I agree, but Sam showed a lot this year, including the ability to learn and adjust. The recent downturn is team-wide, so I wouldn't be too quick to heap additional scrutiny or criticism on him when the whole team is reeling. All the right tools are there.

Given the quality of this draft, our abundance of picks, and likely high draft position, the only QB I'd even consider taking is another Howell -- someone that falls to the 4th or below that has all the qualities you look for but fell for reasons that don't matter. Then you've got Sam's last 2 cheap years to evaluate both, but you're using the top of your draft to fill our many desperate needs (that now also include pass-rushing D-linemen).

If the BPA in the first 3 rounds is clearly a QB and there are smart options to trade back, that's a no-brainer, and there are a couple O-linemen worth taking early. We don't need Howell to be the best QB ever. The potential he's shown should be plenty.

TLDR…

….but read the thread….that was absolutely suggested.
 

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I don't think anyone's saying that. They're saying that Harris is in the unenviable position of having to convince the fanbase that ANYTHING that might reek of Snyderism is completely in the past. So everything from the coaching staff up being a clean slate executed the proper way is key.

If you want the best GM candidates they'll want the freedom to build from scratch -- even the feeling or appearance of incumbent coaches, a "You can fire/cut everyone but these 9 people" situation, or anything else that smells like ownership encroachment could lose us the guru we need.

Same goes for coaching options, and for all the same reasons.

The "crock of steaming horseshit" argument is "Loving all the hypocrites that wanted Lavi out last year but want RR to stay this year." First of all, not many were advocating that Lavi be fired midseason, and those that were are the same "burn it down" people every sports forum has.

Secondly, people generally wanted Lavi gone because of the perception that he was standing in the way of the team getting some goddamn youth into the lineup. I think most would agree that he's a good coach, just not for a team on the brink of that kind of rebuild.

And lastly, I don't think anyone is for keeping Ron because he's misunderstood or venerated, or because he survived cancer. It has nothing to do with Ron. There's just nothing to be gained aside from a possibly weaker draft position and the risk of midseason drama being perceived league-wide as a continuation of a shit organization, sending a clear message to the best GMs, coaches, and free agents that coming to DC is still a really f***ing stupid idea.

We can't afford either of those things right now. Any players or coaches in the organization that can't see the forest through the trees and are thus so dispirited by their own impatience that they can't survive a few more weeks probably don't have the fortitude to stomach the time it'll take to build a winner regardless.



So they're not burning it down, they're just firing everyone so they can all be replaced?

This is just the same old "It's not a rebuild, it's a retool" semantic bullshit argument. Sure, the new regime might keep a coach and the players worth keeping. That's what always happens in a rebuild or retool or restructure or overhaul or whatever other masturbatory synonyms you want to throw out there to make nonsense distinctions between processes that are mostly identical.

Teams successfully rebuild by replacing whatever needs replacing, regardless of which word you pluck from the thesaurus.



I agree, but Sam showed a lot this year, including the ability to learn and adjust. The recent downturn is team-wide, so I wouldn't be too quick to heap additional scrutiny or criticism on him when the whole team is reeling. All the right tools are there.

Given the quality of this draft, our abundance of picks, and likely high draft position, the only QB I'd even consider taking is another Howell -- someone that falls to the 4th or below that has all the qualities you look for but fell for reasons that don't matter. Then you've got Sam's last 2 cheap years to evaluate both, but you're using the top of your draft to fill our many desperate needs (that now also include pass-rushing D-linemen).

If the BPA in the first 3 rounds is clearly a QB and there are smart options to trade back, that's a no-brainer, and there are a couple O-linemen worth taking early. We don't need Howell to be the best QB ever. The potential he's shown should be plenty.
IF the Skins are not top 2 — then they take the top OL (or Maye, if he somehow, some way, falls beyond that). Top OL in the draft is money.

Then they look at which QB’s are available in top of 2nd round, where they have 2 picks now.

Nix or Penix Jr are very intriguing.
 
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The unraveling of the Commanders' once-stifling defense has been the biggest surprise of the season. Del Rio and Vieselmeyer took the fall, but their failures also reflect on Rivera, a former NFL linebacker and two-time defensive coordinator whose reputation had been forged on that side of the ball. Washington rebuilt the offense around Bieniemy and Howell with the hope any growing pains would be mitigated by the presence of a proven defense, one that ranked in the top 10 in just about every major category last season.
 
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In contrast to his predecessor Daniel Snyder's impetuous and impulsive ways, Harris has taken a measured approach to his management of the organization, including giving Rivera and the front office a full season on the job. But Harris' history as a team owner with the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers, the NHL's New Jersey Devils and Crystal Palace of the Premier League suggests he won't hesitate to make changes after the season. His teams have fired two coaches in 2023 already -- the Sixers' Doc Rivers and CPFC's Patrick Vieira -- though neither of those moves were particularly unexpected.
 

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In contrast to his predecessor Daniel Snyder's impetuous and impulsive ways, Harris has taken a measured approach to his management of the organization, including giving Rivera and the front office a full season on the job. But Harris' history as a team owner with the NBA's Philadelphia 76ers, the NHL's New Jersey Devils and Crystal Palace of the Premier League suggests he won't hesitate to make changes after the season. His teams have fired two coaches in 2023 already -- the Sixers' Doc Rivers and CPFC's Patrick Vieira -- though neither of those moves were particularly unexpected.

Maybe nothing but the "permanent" replacements for Rivers and Viera were established coaches/managers who had won titles.
 

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On the heels of an ownership change, the Washington Commanders are raising season ticket prices for the 2024 season by an average of 8.9 percent.
Half of the season tickets will increase by no more than 7 percent, and the lowest-priced seats — 10,000 in the upper level — will not increase in price at all. The team declined to share the highest increase for the remaining seats.

I am a season ticket holder. But my seats are way up in the 400's.

They don't overcharge peasantry like me. That said the richer people in the lower level and suites are being priced out.
 
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