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AlexModvechkin8

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You guys are missing the Snyder Factor. I'm guessing there's enough hatred for Snyder around the league that just about anyone coming out of the WFT environment is going to have a bit of a discount on their behavior for a short time period.

The halo effect won't last long but it might be big enough to give RR cover to at least land a job in the NFL somewhere, maybe even another HC position if the openings fall the right way.

His main problem is there are only a few teams that will probably be hunting for a new coach this offseason. But most of them will likely be in his old division, including Carolina.
I mean, maybe, but Ron had four years here. It's not like he was fired halfway through his second season and never got to see out his plan or got Schottenheimer'ed. Not only that but he had total control of the roster. He had final say in everything -- coaches he hired, the structure and personnel of the front office and scouting departments, players he drafted, players he cut, completed trades, etc. Snyder was not forcing Ron to draft Dwayne Haskins or anything like that and was largely absent for most of his tenure.

What can you point to and say, "Ron left this materially better than what it was when he came in?" Almost all of his high draft picks are struggling or average players. His free agent signings have been mostly awful. What does Ron have to hang his hat on if he's pitching himself to a new employer?
 
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I mean, maybe, but Ron had four years here. It's not like he was fired halfway through his second season and never got to see out his plan or got Schottenheimer'ed. Not only that but he had total control of the roster. He had final say in everything -- coaches he hired, the structure and personnel of the front office and scouting departments, players he drafted, players he cut, completed trades, etc. Snyder was not forcing Ron to draft Dwayne Haskins or anything like that and was largely absent for most of his tenure.

What can you point to and say, "Ron left this materially better than what it was when he came in?" Almost all of his high draft picks are struggling or average players. His free agent signings have been mostly awful. What does Ron have to hang his hat on if he's pitching himself to a new employer?

I'm not defending him. I've been a harsh critic.

I'm saying the league may not see him the same way we do.

Don't overthink it.
 

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Are we sure about that? I was under the impression that there is a reasonable consensus that that was a Snyder pick. Obviously I could be wrong though…

I recalled that, too. Dantichrist was behind that pick. Though it predated RR's tenure so he inherited Haskins, and then promptly drummed him out the door after some PR formalities.

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No, it's not RR's fault that Snyder drafted Haskins but that's actually a good example of how much RR's time as a DC HC could be couched with "Snyder's finger was on the scale and his hands were in everything".
 

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I recalled that, too. Dantichrist was behind that pick. Though it predated RR's tenure so he inherited Haskins, and then promptly drummed him out the door after some PR formalities.

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No, it's not RR's fault that Snyder drafted Haskins but that's actually a good example of how much RR's time as a DC HC could be couched with "Snyder's finger was on the scale and his hands were in everything".
Probably not wrong, but there's nothing about the way his teams play that make me think "oh this guy gets it, too bad about ownership meddling but he's got some bright football ideas".

Ship has long sailed, game seems different and he's not in touch with it. His whole coaching vibe seems like a more modern version of "f*** shotgun passing, I-form forever" from when that was the gulf in coaching. Not that it's really very easy to identify his marks on the team at all right now, since he wasn't calling plays on either side of the ball, but to me that kind of also means he doesn't have any ideas.
 
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Are we sure about that? I was under the impression that there is a reasonable consensus that that was a Snyder pick. Obviously I could be wrong though…
Yes, Snyder forced the Haskins pick but he was drafted in 2019 which was Jay Gruden's last year as coach. If I recall correctly Kyle Smith wanted to pick Sweat with the Haskins pick and traded back into the first to get his guy once Snyder gave the order to draft Haskins.

What I was saying is that Ron never had to deal with that dynamic like others did so the assertion that Ron was somehow hamstrung by Snyder doesn't hold a lot of water with me. In fact Ron has such control over the roster that he was allowed to dump Haskins in his second season / Ron's first season.
 

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I really wish we could’ve seen Sam under an NFL caliber offensive line

drafting top-five, as we look like we could be sitting on a franchise quarterback, that we pass on again.

but you also have to think would like the kid from LSU or UNC do any better under that offensive line?

If Sammy is our guy, we gotta take the best guy to protect him. But who knows we’re gonna have a new front office and we’ll see what they think of the team.
 
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the answer is of course not. nobody could succeed behind that line.

swapping Sam out for maye or Daniel's is silly imo. build around Sam in the off-season.
 

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Would be very Redskinny to pass on a franchise QB. This is why that new staff will be in place early to evaluate those scenarios. I see no problem with spending a 2nd or 3rd on a young QB. The 1st….well damn they will have to be in love with a guy to spend that one on a QB there.

Build around SH and draft a good young backup after the 1st.
 

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I mean, maybe, but Ron had four years here. It's not like he was fired halfway through his second season and never got to see out his plan or got Schottenheimer'ed. Not only that but he had total control of the roster. He had final say in everything -- coaches he hired, the structure and personnel of the front office and scouting departments, players he drafted, players he cut, completed trades, etc. Snyder was not forcing Ron to draft Dwayne Haskins or anything like that and was largely absent for most of his tenure.

What can you point to and say, "Ron left this materially better than what it was when he came in?" Almost all of his high draft picks are struggling or average players. His free agent signings have been mostly awful. What does Ron have to hang his hat on if he's pitching himself to a new employer?
Ron’s biggest benefits to this franchise have come off the field, candidly.

As has been said a gazillion times, the man is a leader, is extremely likable, and of seemingly stout character. The Skins franchise has missed that for a long long long time (Gibbs 2.0).

He’s got that going for him, and perhaps he’s learned some lessons from this “first time being in charge of it all”, and will do better.

He’s not a great coach. X’s and O’s aren’t really there anymore. He’s a great delegator, but chooses the wrong people to empower.

Meh. He’s not bad. He’s just not good.
 

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Ron’s biggest benefits to this franchise have come off the field, candidly.

As has been said a gazillion times, the man is a leader, is extremely likable, and of seemingly stout character. The Skins franchise has missed that for a long long long time (Gibbs 2.0).

He’s got that going for him, and perhaps he’s learned some lessons from this “first time being in charge of it all”, and will do better.

He’s not a great coach. X’s and O’s aren’t really there anymore. He’s a great delegator, but chooses the wrong people to empower.

Meh. He’s not bad. He’s just not good.

Fair assessment…
 
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I wonder if there's any remote outside chance that JH could lure Saleh or Ulbrich to washington as a new DC
 
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And people wonder why a talented team like the Bills is so massively under-achieving. This shit is just bizarre. So many pro football coaches just live in these weird bubbles.
 

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And people wonder why a talented team like the Bills is so massively under-achieving. This shit is just bizarre. So many pro football coaches just live in these weird bubbles.

Poor choice of analogy but still completely overblown.
 

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And people wonder why a talented team like the Bills is so massively under-achieving. This shit is just bizarre. So many pro football coaches just live in these weird bubbles.
Shit, this is from 4 YEARS ago. They were playing a helluva lot better then, than this year.

Half of today’s roster probably wasn’t even with the team in 2019.

Such a media driven “nothing burger”. Of course some people will want McDermott to resign or some shit.

Whatever.
 

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I mean, if dude is like "gotta be more like al queda out there guys" that begs the question what other goofy shit he's been telling them.
 
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So we have no college football games today. And we have 2 MNF games at the same time this week. Who did this? A NFL game today would have everyone eyes on it.

Is it just bad Network deals?
 
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