OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[John Price]

 

[Roric]

Now that’s good ownership

 

[g00n]

Welp, there you go. Two horrid blowout losses to division rivals b2b was just too much for any "stay the course" plan. Someone's head had to roll.

JDR was first. If the team still sucks this bad after a few more games it might be RR's turn, too.

I'm looking squarely at the Jets game on Xmas eve as the next benchmark. If they somehow get embarrassed that day it could be the end of the voyage for Riverboad.

 

[g00n]

The JDR defense is so bad they're almost a full FG worse than the next worst team (CAR) in 4th quarter points allowed when most other teams are separated by fractions of a point.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Welp, there you go. Two horrid blowout losses to division rivals b2b was just too much for any "stay the course" plan. Someone's head had to roll.

JDR was first. If the team still sucks this bad after a few more games it might be RR's turn, too.

I'm looking squarely at the Jets game on Xmas eve as the next benchmark. If they somehow get embarrassed that day it could be the end of the voyage for Riverboad.

I don’t see them canning Ron at this point. There are five games left and if they didn’t do it after the last two games with a mini Bye and then a Bye coming up they’re not doing it until after the season. The season is over — they’re going to let Ron leave with dignity and then clean house.

As for JDR…

 

[Beef Invictus]

Good f***ing riddance. JDR is a lazy sack of shit.

Rivera actually directly calling something will set him up nicely for the axe too.

 

[g00n]

Good f***ing riddance. JDR is a lazy sack of shit.

Rivera actually directly calling something will set him up nicely for the axe too.

...and/or his next job, possibly going back to a defensive coordinator role elsewhere.

Who would hire him as HC next season?

 

[g00n]

I don’t see them canning Ron at this point. There are five games left and if they didn’t do it after the last two games with a mini Bye and then a Bye coming up they’re not doing it until after the season. The season is over — they’re going to let Ron leave with dignity and then clean house.

As for JDR…

Maybe. Feelings can change in a few weeks. Harris is evaluating but also looking to take some action. I don't think he wants to repeat the mistakes of Snyder but you never know.

The logical thing would be for him to use RR to assess the needs of the team and then thank him for his service and give him a ticket to the bus station at 12am on Jan 8th.

At the same time hire some consultants to scout the coaching prospects and come up with a short list, then begin interviews with experts in the room.

 

[arlcapsfan]

At this point I hope we don’t win another game so I’m fine with riding out the season. I’ve mostly been ok with E.B. But last night was some of the worst play calling I’ve seen since last week. I’m ok with being pass happy if your line can actually block.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

JH was probably like “you can fire him, or I can show you both to the door”……

Then to the press…

“Coach RIvera recommended the following changes”…..

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

At the end of the day, the only thing that really mattered this season was seeing if we had something in Howell. The answer is yes. For the first time in a while they can go into the offseason with a young QB1 that isn’t a retread or a bargain shopper free agent or a past-their-prime stopgap they acquired via a trade. They will have three top 50 picks, a boatload of cap space, and an entirely new front office and coaching staff.

The only question left to answer at this point is how high can they get in the draft? Can they be bad enough to get a top five pick? They could actually be in the 4OA spot after this weekend if Chicago, the Giants, and Tennessee all win.

Just lose, baby. I don’t think they’ll be favored in any of their remaining games. If they’re in the top five they are going to be in position to get one of Marvin Harrison Jr, Olu Fashanu, Joe Alt, or Drake Maye / Caleb Williams if they choose to go the QB route. They could also be in prime trade down position.

Things are looking up, just have to endure a few more shitty weeks.

 

[g00n]

At this point I hope we don’t win another game so I’m fine with riding out the season. I’ve mostly been ok with E.B. But last night was some of the worst play calling I’ve seen since last week. I’m ok with being pass happy if your line can actually block.

Were they pass happy? Seemed like they ran the ball a lot. Pass and run was close to even despite being blown out.

 

[arlcapsfan]

Were they pass happy? Seemed like they ran the ball a lot. Pass and run was close to even despite being blown out.

We should be running the ball more. Maybe pass happy was isn’t quite appropriate. We seem to be able to run and for some reason never stick with it. What we can’t do is pass block. Most of his off target passes were to due to throwing on the run and avoiding sacks. Even when we move the pocket he’s under duress a lot of the time.

 

[tycoonheart]

That loser should have been fired years ago. I don't know how you get to call the Jan 6th events a dust up, or whatever the hell he called it, and get away with it.

 

[Bananas]

I’m kinda liking Brock Bowers if we do indeed have the plums to go BPA.

 

[ynotcaps]

Praise the Sweet Baby J, some relief is finally at hand.
Whether it was RR finally seeing enough (doubtful) or Harris finally saying "Do something or I will" (most likely), this is a move that had to happen. (Long before now, but that's beside the point.)

Rooting hard for an NYG win this week -- harder than I'll be rooting for a WAS win for the rest of the season, anyway.

A top 5 pick would be phenomenal, and as long they fire the current football ops, well, I won't jinx it, but... I don't think either QB would make it to our pick -- we're not gonna' get into the top 3 -- but any of the other consensus top players would make us much better. AND we'd have 2 of the top 5 picks in the second.

I may have to get drunk again tonight -- but this time in celebration.

 

[bacchist]

Defense sucked, obviously. But defense didn't throw pick 6es. Defense didn't turn over on downs repeatedly. RR and Bienemy should be out as well. Keep everyone until the season ends or get rid of all of them.

 

[usiel]

At the end of the day, the only thing that really mattered this season was seeing if we had something in Howell. The answer is yes. For the first time in a while they can go into the offseason with a young QB1 that isn’t a retread or a bargain shopper free agent or a past-their-prime stopgap they acquired via a trade. They will have three top 50 picks, a boatload of cap space, and an entirely new front office and coaching staff.

The only question left to answer at this point is how high can they get in the draft? Can they be bad enough to get a top five pick? They could actually be in the 4OA spot after this weekend if Chicago, the Giants, and Tennessee all win.

Just lose, baby. I don’t think they’ll be favored in any of their remaining games. If they’re in the top five they are going to be in position to get one of Marvin Harrison Jr, Olu Fashanu, Joe Alt, or Drake Maye / Caleb Williams if they choose to go the QB route. They could also be in prime trade down position.

Things are looking up, just have to endure a few more shitty weeks.

Just hoping for one of those top two rated tackles. Though Bowers or Harrison intrigue me.

 

[John Price]

 

[Midnight Judges]

Now that’s good ownership

Disagree.

I'd much rather a statement from Ron Rivera saying "I fired JDR. The decision was 100% mine. I told Josh Harris about it after the fact and he has zero say in football decisions."

I really don't like this idea that the owner is involved in d coordinator choices.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I’m kinda liking Brock Bowers if we do indeed have the plums to go BPA.

What a weapon he would be….

 

[Jags]

Disagree.

I'd much rather a statement from Ron Rivera saying "I fired JDR. The decision was 100% mine. I told Josh Harris about it after the fact and he has zero say in football decisions."

I really don't like this idea that the owner is involved in d coordinator choices.

I like how we take a simple statement and violently twist it into something else.

"I met with the coach. He recommended these changes."

"Oh, SUUUURRRE! You demanded that he fire those guys, or else! AND you're too involved in choosing the replacements!"

He said what happened. You saying elsewise is just masturbatory speculation. All year the whole world has been saying that JDR is trash and that Ron is very slow on the uptake. So it shouldn't come as a shock that, hey, JDR IS trash and Ron FINALLY woke up and fired him.

Did it take some prodding from further up the ladder? Maybe, but we have absolutely no idea and who really gives a shit? We all know what's going to happen between now and the start of next season. Punching ourselves out agonizing over the second-to-second minutiae is tiresome.

You don't like that Harris met with the coach? Why? Doesn't it maybe signify that he's done with the President and GM? Isn't that good news? Putting out a well-written statement to let the fans know that change is coming and we're starting now because, damn, some of this shit is getting out of hand... A new owner being communicative and establishing good will is a bad thing now?

Speculation born from absolute ignorance can cut both ways, just as easily. That's why it's pointless.

 

[Midnight Judges]

He said what happened. You saying elsewise is just masturbatory speculation.

I'm not seeing where I contradicted anything Harris said.

I prefer owners merely signing checks while football professionals make the football decisions with 100% discretion (or as near as possible).

I don't even like owners making football-related announcements. I think the front office and media/PR people should be doing that as an organization. I didn't like Dan Snyder sending Lavernius Coles a flat screen TV. I didn't like Snyder meeting with RGIII. I didn't like Snyder telling WRs they should have scored, or stacking the deck against Kirk Cousins.

I wouldn't want the head coach or the GM being worried - not even slightly - that a strategic football decision might not be concurred by some billionaire douche who no NFL team would ever hire to manage football issues, but he's injected there because he has money. -That is not a recipe for success. (That's how we got Al Saunders and RGIII and Steve Spurrier and Vinnie Cerrato and Jeff George and Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith and Jim Zorn).

Certainly I am old school in this respect but I would hope that this fan base - out of all fanbases - would have learned this particular lesson.

 

[Jags]

I prefer owners merely signing checks while football professionals make the football decisions with 100% discretion (or as near as possible).

I think damn near all of us prefer that. But I also think that all of his "football professionals" are living on borrowed time, including the coach he's speaking for. There's nothing to be gained from Wright or Mayhew making a similar statement, and we all know Ron isn't the guy for that stunt.

The only guy in the mix here with something to prove is Harris, and silence proves nothing. Ron is a totem pole that barely ever talks to anyone, almost always puts his foot in his mouth when he does, and is definitely going to be fired in a few weeks. This is who you want to hear from regarding the team's future, immediate or otherwise?

He didn't come out and say he's taking over and cleaning house. He said he met with the coach and the coach has made a couple moves. That's it. He said the guy you want to make that choice made that choice, but you don't like who delivered the message?

That's not "old school." That's just nitpicky shit.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I like how we take a simple statement and violently twist it into something else.

"I met with the coach. He recommended these changes."

"Oh, SUUUURRRE! You demanded that he fire those guys, or else! AND you're too involved in choosing the replacements!"

He said what happened. You saying elsewise is just masturbatory speculation. All year the whole world has been saying that JDR is trash and that Ron is very slow on the uptake. So it shouldn't come as a shock that, hey, JDR IS trash and Ron FINALLY woke up and fired him.

Did it take some prodding from further up the ladder? Maybe, but we have absolutely no idea and who really gives a shit? We all know what's going to happen between now and the start of next season. Punching ourselves out agonizing over the second-to-second minutiae is tiresome.

You don't like that Harris met with the coach? Why? Doesn't it maybe signify that he's done with the President and GM? Isn't that good news? Putting out a well-written statement to let the fans know that change is coming and we're starting now because, damn, some of this shit is getting out of hand... A new owner being communicative and establishing good will is a bad thing now?

Speculation born from absolute ignorance can cut both ways, just as easily. That's why it's pointless.

Some decent points, but dude…..there is a whole friggen industry called sports talk radio and television built around speculation discussions exactly like these.

turn the dial man….