Seravalli: New Jersey Devils have been after Boeser for a few years now.

[Buresflyingelbow]

I wouldn't do that. Too much risk.

That’s why Holtz is the perfect target. You aren’t getting Boeser without a first or Holtz.
There is a reason he has a qualifying offer for 7.5, because he earned it and is a legit All Star.
Only 24/25 and would be a leader in your room.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Wonder if Vancouver would have any interest in a Garland AND Boeser to NJ deal?

To NJ:
Brock Boeser
Conor Garland

To VAN:
Pavel Zacha
Ty Smith
2023 1st round pick (top 2 protected)
2022 2nd round pick
Nolan Foote
Jesper Boqvist

I see nothing of significant value there for Van.

If you want both, Mercer, Holtz and 2022 1st cannot be off the table.

 

[Zippy316]

We have lots of goaltending depth. Martin / Di Pietro / Halak. Have one.

It’s more complicated than that. Devils basically need someone to be an NHL stop gap with Gillies to keep Schmid/Daws in the minors. Both have terrific AHL numbers but have had poor NHL showings.

Halak would be nice, but I doubt he waives that NTC just to play away the season on non-playoff team.

 

[Zippy316]

Holtz + 2nd for Boeser

The dream projection for Holtz is Boeser.
You get a finished product for something Canucks hope Holtz turns out to be. The 2nd is for the risk he doesn’t.

Holtz numbers right now put him on a pretty solid trajectory to be Boeser in three years.

His contract is also likely to slide if the Devils keep him in the AHL, meaning you have a cost controlled young player signed for three years who just put up a PPG in the AHL as a 19/20 year old.

Devils simply are not trading Holtz. If they are looking at Boeser, it’s to fill in the gap between now and Holtz being fully ready.

 

[Forge]

We will accept your first top 5 protected this year and if it is top 5 23 1st unprotected

I wouldn't do that, though if the devils have been pursuing Boeser for this long and it's legit, I could see us doing any number of things that i personally wouldn't do.

This structure on the pick wouldn't work, however. It would just be lottery protected...we can theoretically get a top 5 pick without a lotto win and if that's the case we'd be giving up an unprotected first in the Bedard draft in an instance where we could still win the lotto draw.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

That’s why Holtz is the perfect target. You aren’t getting Boeser without a first or Holtz.
There is a reason he has a qualifying offer for 7.5, because he earned it and is a legit All Star.
Only 24/25 and would be a leader in your room.

Then I'd just skip this. There are other players they can try to get.

Boeser haven't been a $7.5M player this season. Earlier yes, but not this season. His next contract determines his value.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I see nothing of significant value there for Van.

If you want both, Mercer, Holtz and 2022 1st cannot be off the table.

Ty Smith is not of significant value? A 2023 1st is not of significant value? a 2022 2nd rounder (basically a late first) is not of significant value?

If we were to rank the value in this proposal it would probably be:
1. Boeser
2. Smith
3. 2023 1st
4. Garland
5. 2022 2nd rounder/Zacha
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

 

[Comparison Ford]

i would do Zacha and Smith for Boeser and a prospect quite easily.

EDIT: pipedream hilarious trade that would never happen:

Bratt, Zacha, Smith for Boeser, Hughes, Propsect

 

[Forge]

Honestly, I'm surprised that we don't see more Sharangovich involved in a trade for Boeser. That's the piece that honestly makes a lot of sense to me (and no, I'm not saying Rango for Boeser straight up lol...just that I'm surprised that's not a piece that is more commonly involved in the talks)

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Ty Smith is not of significant value? A 2023 1st is not of significant value? a 2022 2nd rounder (basically a late first) is not of significant value?

If we were to rank the value in this proposal it would probably be:
1. Boeser
2. Smith
3. 2023 1st
4. Garland
5. 2022 2nd rounder/Zacha
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

2023 1st round pick has definately more value than Smith. I'd say:

1. 2023 1st
2. Boeser
3. Garland
4. Smith
5. Zacha
6. 2022 2nd rounder
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Honestly, I'm surprised that we don't see more Sharangovich involved in a trade for Boeser. That's the piece that honestly makes a lot of sense to me (and no, I'm not saying Rango for Boeser straight up lol...just that I'm surprised that's not a piece that is more commonly involved in the talks)

As a Canucks fan, I want him over any pick or prospect previously discussed.

The question is what's the add?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Ty Smith is not of significant value? A 2023 1st is not of significant value? a 2022 2nd rounder (basically a late first) is not of significant value?

If we were to rank the value in this proposal it would probably be:
1. Boeser
2. Smith
3. 2023 1st
4. Garland
5. 2022 2nd rounder/Zacha
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

2023 1st has less value because Getting Hamilton back, adding both Boeser and Garland plus another year of development of Hughes and Co, I just see the Devils overall doing better than offering their 2022 1st.

Obviously alot deem the 2023 draft significantly deeper, so there could be a discussion there.

The point is, if both are getting traded in the same deal, don't want quantity. We want quality.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Holtz numbers right now put him on a pretty solid trajectory to be Boeser in three years.

His contract is also likely to slide if the Devils keep him in the AHL, meaning you have a cost controlled young player signed for three years who just put up a PPG in the AHL as a 19/20 year old.

Devils simply are not trading Holtz. If they are looking at Boeser, it’s to fill in the gap between now and Holtz being fully ready.

In 3 years he’s Boeser’s age roughly. Exactly what I said you are paying for the finished product of exactly what you hope he becomes. Only thing is now you eliminate the risk. You guys signed Hamilton so clearly you are willing to do something like this.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Ty Smith is not of significant value? A 2023 1st is not of significant value? a 2022 2nd rounder (basically a late first) is not of significant value?

If we were to rank the value in this proposal it would probably be:
1. Boeser
2. Smith
3. 2023 1st
4. Garland
5. 2022 2nd rounder/Zacha
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

Smith isn’t what we need. We need size and he is another small Dman. We want the cap space and something that one day we hope is Boeser

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

i would do Zacha and Smith for Boeser and a prospect quite easily.

EDIT: pipedream hilarious trade that would never happen:

Bratt, Zacha, Smith for Boeser, Hughes, Propsect

Wow. LOL

 

[Forge]

In 3 years he’s Boeser’s age roughly. Exactly what I said you are paying for the finished product of exactly what you hope he becomes. Only thing is now you eliminate the risk. You guys signed Hamilton so clearly you are willing to do something like this.

We didn't give up an asset for Dougie, we just paid him.

Also, "roughly" is doing a lot of work there. Holtz just turned 20 a month ago. Boeser turns 25 next week.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

In 3 years he’s Boeser’s age roughly. Exactly what I said you are paying for the finished product of exactly what you hope he becomes. Only thing is now you eliminate the risk. You guys signed Hamilton so clearly you are willing to do something like this.

If you think he's 3 years younger I've got news for ya... Holtz just turned 20 a couple weeks ago and Boeser is about to turn 25 next week

edit: I see someone already corrected this math, please disregard

 

[John Pedro]

Would be a nice fit, still don't think Devils should trade their youth (Holtz, Shakir) right now, even though Boeser is still quite young. We need to let these kids develop, team isn't going nowhere until we have a good dmen core and better coaching staff.

plus, that and Bratt's new deal would add too much salary into forwards when we need at least another top paring dman and a good goalie

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

2023 1st has less value because Getting Hamilton back, adding both Boeser and Garland plus another year of development of Hughes and Co, I just see the Devils overall doing better than offering their 2022 1st.

Every year the Devils are winning the offseason and I imagine they are better than earlier, but then they suck again. Past experiences have taught me to prepare for the worst.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Every year the Devils are winning the offseason and I imagine they are better than earlier, but then they suck again. Past experiences have taught me to prepare for the worst.

To be fair, the East has most of the heavy hitters. Playoffs are going to be fun to watch this year.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

What sort of deal could we work out around Boeser bundled with either Dickinson or Poolman?

 

[elitepete]

Wonder if Vancouver would have any interest in a Garland AND Boeser to NJ deal?

To NJ:
Brock Boeser
Conor Garland

To VAN:
Pavel Zacha
Ty Smith
2023 1st round pick (top 2 protected)
2022 2nd round pick
Nolan Foote
Jesper Boqvist

Hard to put into words how bad this offer is

 

[elitepete]

Ty Smith is not of significant value? A 2023 1st is not of significant value? a 2022 2nd rounder (basically a late first) is not of significant value?

If we were to rank the value in this proposal it would probably be:
1. Boeser
2. Smith
3. 2023 1st
4. Garland
5. 2022 2nd rounder/Zacha
7. Boqvist
8. Foote

Garland is the most valuable asset here, you are undervaluing him.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

As a Canucks fan I would be ok with the following. NJ keep their first and Holtz.

VAN: Graves + Zacha + McLeod + 2 2nds
NJ: Boeser + Dickinson

Vancouver adds depth while saving some cap.
Zacha gets third line Center and Graves a PK Dman who potentially slots to the right side.
McLeod becomes your 4th line Center with RHS.
NJ gets a sniper and Dickinson who replaces Zacha or McLeod. NJ get the best asset in the deal.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

That’s why Holtz is the perfect target. You aren’t getting Boeser without a first or Holtz.
There is a reason he has a qualifying offer for 7.5, because he earned it and is a legit All Star.
Only 24/25 and would be a leader in your room.

I like Boeser but not at Holtz going back....