Seravalli: New Jersey Devils have been after Boeser for a few years now.

[elitepete]

i have found the exact value of your opinion.

It's a better opinion than that of people that think Devils would get Boeser for Zacha and other spare parts

 

[Nuckler]

If it was as easy as that. A 20 year old on fire in the AHL that has potential to be the better player and will be cost controlled for the foreseeable future vs. A player coming off of injury that will need a 7.5 mil contract then could walk? Ya I can see why the Devils would t want to take that risk

How about Jack "on fire in the Ahl" rathbone for holtz

 

[TBF1972]

How about Jack "on fire in the Ahl" rathbone for holtz

how about jack "off somewhere else"

 

[Billdo]

So much wrong with this post. Boeser has paced over his career 30+ goals per 82. Yes Zacha is having his best season and Boeser his worst and Boeser is still out producing him. Secondly $8 million is a dumb random number that you just pulled out of nowhere to try to prove your point.

Pacing is fine but never having done it in reality while hardly ever playing close to a full season causes some concern.

 

[Nuckler]

how about jack "off somewhere else"

Well played sir, well played.

 

[Eggtimer]

why would a new contract be a problem for a team like New Jersey with cap space and an eagerness to not be a bottom feeder team anymore?

Because they need to properly construct a roster instead of adding pieces for the sake of adding them. Boeser cap hit would very quickly eat up whatever extra space they have. Subban’s 9 mil comes off after this year but Bratt will need a raise. Yes NJ needs a lot of work but they still have to be mindful of the cap.

 

[Boondock]

last year was a better season for Zacha. Yes they have had better careers but Boeser has also been given the offensive green light with clearly more opportunities playing with better players. Not to mention he is making $6 million now and asking for $8 million isn’t unreasonable. Currently their situations are similar point wise and Zacha is making a third of the money. When it comes to players value you have to factor in contract as well. If they were making the same money it would be a different story but they aren’t.

Last year - you mean the season that Boeser had 23 goals and 49 points in 56 games vs Zacha’s 17 goals 30 points in 50 games. But Zacha had a better season, in what way? Better at not scoring goals? Better at not scoring points? Better at missing more games?

 

[Boondock]

Pacing is fine but never having done it in reality while hardly ever playing close to a full season causes some concern.

Just like Zacha isn’t a 40 point player. I made the argument earlier that pace numbers are great but you have to actually do it and I was told that pace over 82 is the way you need to identify a player. Go back and look, I agree with you, but if we aren’t using pace, Boeser is a 24 goal scorer but Zacha is a 28 point average player. It goes both ways.

 

[Boondock]

I'd give Zacha + Smith for Boeser + Dickinson. Not getting the first.

That’s a loss for Vancouver.

 

[Ita]

Last year - you mean the season that Boeser had 23 goals and 49 points in 56 games vs Zacha’s 17 goals 30 points in 50 games. But Zacha had a better season, in what way? Better at not scoring goals? Better at not scoring points? Better at missing more games?

I think he is saying that Boeser had better linemates so even though he outscored Zacha, he is still the "worse" player and had the "worse" season.. If Zacha's linemates were as good as Boeser's, he thinks Zacha will outproduce Boeser.

 

[Puckclektr]

Last year - you mean the season that Boeser had 23 goals and 49 points in 56 games vs Zacha’s 17 goals 30 points in 50 games. But Zacha had a better season, in what way? Better at not scoring goals? Better at not scoring points? Better at missing more games?

Reading comprehension not your thing? Never did I say Zacha had a better season. I said last year was a better season "for Zacha" and is not the same as saying "last season Zacha is or was better than Boeser".

 

[Forge]

That’s a loss for Vancouver.

Makes sense. I'm a devils fan so I'm good with it lol.

There would be room for negotiation on an add, but it's not a first. Just not a thing thats happening with the Devils where they are at.

 

[Puckclektr]

I think he is saying that Boeser had better linemates so even though he outscored Zacha, he is still the "worse" player and had the "worse" season.. If Zacha's linemates were as good as Boeser's, he thinks Zacha will outproduce Boeser.

I don't even think Zacha would outproduce Boeser, but I think their stats will be a lot similar than what they are currently. Even this year they are kind of close. Swap the players around and have Zacha play top PP unit with Quin Hughes, Petterson and Miller and then give Boeser playing time with the likes of Jimmy Vesey and Boqvist and see what kind of numbers they put up. My argument is that Boeser is better, but he also has been given more offensive opportunity to make his stats look better and the differnece between the two is not adding Ty Smith or a First like some people are suggesting. Not to mention Zacha is also a third of the salary of what Boeser is making which clearly plays a role in value of a player

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Makes sense. I'm a devils fan so I'm good with it lol.

There would be room for negotiation on an add, but it's not a first. Just not a thing thats happening with the Devils where they are at.

Maybe something like Foote would do it.

Zacha + Smith + Foote

for

Boeser + Dickson

 

[Puckclektr]

Just like Zacha isn’t a 40 point player. I made the argument earlier that pace numbers are great but you have to actually do it and I was told that pace over 82 is the way you need to identify a player. Go back and look, I agree with you, but if we aren’t using pace, Boeser is a 24 goal scorer but Zacha is a 28 point average player. It goes both ways.

28 point player. YOu might want to check you numbers. lol He has an average of 36 points. Lets also consider the fact that when their careers started Zacha was fresh off his draft year and brought into the NHL the following year at 19 and averaged about 24-28 points his first three years until he was 21 by playing under John Hynes that held him back.
Boeser came into the NHL as a 20-21 year old and played with the Sedins and since that moment has played top line minutes with plenty of opportunity to succeed offensivly, while Zacha who has played a little with Hughes and a little with Bratt has been playing much of his career with 3rd and fourth liners and career AHL/NHL journeymen. Reverse those roles and lets see the PPG.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

like i said, only in HF is potential valued more than actual

forever rebuilding is sexy

saying no to .80 pts per game 24 yr old sniper because my 20 yr old prospect is doing well in the AHL.

No, potential and years of control are very much valued in the real world. Holtz is unquestionably a more valuable asset than Boeser. That doesn’t mean he’s going to be better. But given their contract situations (not to mention Boeser’s inability to stay healthy), Holtz is worth more.

 

[Puckclektr]

Maybe something like Foote would do it.

Zacha + Smith + Foote

for

Boeser + Dickson

No chance I do that as a Devil fan. Why give up a top young D. The difference between Zacha and Boeser is not Ty Smith, let along adding Foote.

 

[Ita]

I don't even think Zacha would outproduce Boeser, but I think their stats will be a lot similar than what they are currently. Even this year they are kind of close. Swap the players around and have Zacha play top PP unit with Quin Hughes, Petterson and Miller and then give Boeser playing time with the likes of Jimmy Vesey and Boqvist and see what kind of numbers they put up. My argument is that Boeser is better, but he also has been given more offensive opportunity to make his stats look better and the differnece between the two is not adding Ty Smith or a First like some people are suggesting. Not to mention Zacha is also a third of the salary of what Boeser is making which clearly plays a role in value of a player

If you think Zacha will perform a lot better and will be similar to Boeser if he had better linemates then why didn't your coach give him the opportunity to succeed? Or maybe, just maybe they have a better sense of his talent and gave him linemates that are closer to his skill levels? You realized that your argument that they will perform a lot closer is pure conjecture right? Even in Boeser's worse season which is the current season, their production is still 0.49 vs 0.64 P/GP. How is that "close" exactly?

Also, you dodged the question about Zacha having a better season last year. How exactly did Zacha have a better season? By what metrics?

 

[Forge]

Maybe something like Foote would do it.

Zacha + Smith + Foote

for

Boeser + Dickson

I'd probably aim lower than Foote, but not disinclined to flat turn that down. It helps that I'm not particularly high on any of the three we'd be giving up, so subjective value is better than the objective value to me.

 

[Puckclektr]

If you think Zacha will perform a lot better and will be similar to Boeser if he had better linemates then why didn't your coach give him the opportunity to succeed? Or maybe, just maybe they have a better sense of his talent and gave him linemates that are closer to his skill levels? You realized that your argument that they will perform a lot closer is pure conjecture right? Even in Boeser's worse season which is the current season, their production is still 0.49 vs 0.64 P/GP. How is that "close" exactly?

Also, you dodged the question about Zacha having a better season last year. How exactly did Zacha have a better season? By what metrics?

I said it was a better season "for Zacha". I never said he was better than Boeser. Lets look at the stats. Zacha came into the league two years younger than Boeser. Lets see what would happen to Zacha and his numbers an dconfidence if he played with the Sedins. I have never said that Zacha is better. I have said that Boeser is clearly better than Zacha. I think Zacha is an average second liner. But NJ doesn't have a second line. They switch everything up and don't put all their eggs in one basket. Their third line is as deep as their second line on a healhty roster. My point is that if Zacha was given first PP opportunity and Boeser was playing on a balanced line up as opposed to a top heavy line up then maybe their numbers would be more similar this year. Zacha has had a mix of linemates this year that has included the majority of the time players that aren't at the same calibre that Boeser has night in and night out. Not even close.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

No chance I do that as a Devil fan. Why give up a top young D. The difference between Zacha and Boeser is not Ty Smith, let along adding Foote.

I’m hesitant to trade Smith at this point too especially since we don’t know how Muk, or any of the other LHD prospects, is gonna look in the NHL.

We don’t even know what side Luke Hughes is going to play on. If Luke plays on the right suddenly that left side isn’t so deep without Smith.

But playing off of the rumors that we have Vancouver wants Zacha supposedly for Dickson but no one thinks that’s fair value. Smith has also been rumored as a potential target by Vancouver.

Devils are rumored to want Boeser and supposedly have for a while.

I’m just trying to connect whatever dots have been thrown out there. I don’t think Smith is expendable yet but if we can get Boeser it’ll fill a major hole we have at wing using potential strength at LHD we have. It would be a gamble but the payoff would be a jackpot.

Of course with Mercer looking so good on the wing we might not need to look for a top 6 RW anymore.

 

[Billdo]

Just like Zacha isn’t a 40 point player. I made the argument earlier that pace numbers are great but you have to actually do it and I was told that pace over 82 is the way you need to identify a player. Go back and look, I agree with you, but if we aren’t using pace, Boeser is a 24 goal scorer but Zacha is a 28 point average player. It goes both ways.

I'm not advocating that Zacha is anything more than what he's been. A massively inconsistent player who seemingly has all the tools but hasn't been able to put it together. Boeser is the better player but this narrative of being a legitimate 30 goal scorer when he simply has never done it for some reason irks me.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I'd probably aim lower than Foote, but not disinclined to flat turn that down. It helps that I'm not particularly high on any of the three we'd be giving up, so subjective value is better than the objective value to me.

Maybe Vancouver can add a 3rd or something to help even it out but that’s basically 3 1sts for Boeser and a dump.

 

[Billdo]

I’m hesitant to trade Smith at this point too especially since we don’t know how Muk, or any of the other LHD prospects, is gonna look in the NHL.

We don’t even know what side Luke Hughes is going to play on. If Luke plays on the right suddenly that left side isn’t so deep without Smith.

But playing off of the rumors that we have Vancouver wants Zacha supposedly for Dickson but no one thinks that’s fair value. Smith has also been rumored as a potential target by Vancouver.

Devils are rumored to want Boeser and supposedly have for a while.

I’m just trying to connect whatever dots have been thrown out there. I don’t think Smith is expendable yet but if we can get Boeser it’ll fill a major hole we have at wing using potential strength at LHD we have. It would be a gamble but the payoff would be a jackpot.

Of course with Mercer looking so good on the wing we might not need to look for a top 6 RW anymore.

I think if they signed Graves and Siegenthaler they're in a position to potentially move Smith considering they'll still have Vukojevic, Okhotyuk, and Bahl without even mentioning Hughes and Muk. I desperately want Graves and Siegenthaler extended.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Maybe Vancouver can add a 3rd or something to help even it out but that’s basically 3 1sts for Boeser and a dump.

I always love this line of thinking. Would any of those three players fetch a 1st in this upcoming draft? That's highly debatable. Equating their value to that of a 1st because they were 1st round picks, does not make their current value equal to a 1st. Otherwise that "dump" would be a 1st.