Seravalli: New Jersey Devils have been after Boeser for a few years now.

[AfroThunder396]

I understand that online shiny new prospects are more valued on HF than actual legit NHLers but I'd imagine the Devils dont want to rebuild forever.

Boeser is only 3ish years older than Holtz.

Boeser is the finished product of Holtz and trading for him would eliminate any risk that Holtz doesnt pan out. Holtz is a great scorer but there are very much questions marks about his defensive game and play without the puck.

Trading for Boeser and signing him to a long term 6-7 year contract would be the smart and less risk play of Actual vs Potential.

I understand that the Devils are super excited about Holtz as he is having a great AHL season with 17 goals in 28 games for Utica.

but please put it into perspective that at the same age, Boeser had 29 goals 62 games in the NHL.

Again, Potential vs Actual, and only a 3 year age difference? I wouldnt be so quick to say that the Devils have taken Holtz of the table for Boeser.

Side Note:

Boeser and J Hughes line would just be absolutely filthy.

"3ish years" is a really weird way of saying 4 years and 11 months. Boeser is Feb '97 and Holtz is Jan '02. Holtz just turned 20 last month, and Boeser turns 25 next week. So perhaps you should check your calendar.

In the year Boeser turned 20 he spent most of the year at North Dakota and had 34 points in 32 games. Holtz has 33 points in 28 games in the AHL, which is a professional league unlike the NCAA.

You also talk about Holtz's play without the puck but fail to mention that over the past 2 years only one Vancouver forward has been on for more goals against than Brock Boeser.

I'm interested in adding Boeser but Holtz is absolutely not on the table, we're not going to give you a guy who is about to do great things in exchange for a player who used to do great things.

 

[UrbanImpact]

"3ish years" is a really weird way of saying 4 years and 11 months. Boeser is Feb '97 and Holtz is Jan '02. Holtz just turned 20 last month, and Boeser turns 25 next week. So perhaps you should check your calendar.

In the year Boeser turned 20 he spent most of the year at North Dakota and had 34 points in 32 games. Holtz has 33 points in 28 games in the AHL, which is a professional league unlike the NCAA.

You also talk about Holtz's play without the puck but fail to mention that over the past 2 years only one Vancouver forward has been on for more goals against than Brock Boeser.

I'm interested in adding Boeser but Holtz is absolutely not on the table, we're not going to give you a guy who is about to do great things in exchange for a player who used to do great things.

like i said, only in HF is potential valued more than actual

forever rebuilding is sexy

saying no to .80 pts per game 24 yr old sniper because my 20 yr old prospect is doing well in the AHL.

 

[AfroThunder396]

like i said, only in HF is potential valued more than actual

forever rebuilding is sexy

saying no to .80 pts per game 24 yr old sniper because my 20 yr old prospect is doing well in the AHL.

Call me when Boeser actually gets close to this number again and we can talk

 

[UrbanImpact]

Call me when Boeser actually gets close to this number again and we can talk

points per game
.87 pts last year
.78 2019-2020
.81 2018-2019

those close enough years for you?

.81 pts per game since Coaching change this season as well (22 games)

 

[JimEIV]

Boeser has been a .80 ppg player over his entire career.

297

113

125

238

[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

= .80 PPG

 

[Horton Hears A Woo]

I understand that online shiny new prospects are more valued on HF than actual legit NHLers but I'd imagine the Devils dont want to rebuild forever.

Boeser is only 3ish years older than Holtz.

Boeser is the finished product of Holtz and trading for him would eliminate any risk that Holtz doesnt pan out. Holtz is a great scorer but there are very much questions marks about his defensive game and play without the puck.

Trading for Boeser and signing him to a long term 6-7 year contract would be the smart and less risk play of Actual vs Potential.

I understand that the Devils are super excited about Holtz as he is having a great AHL season with 17 goals in 28 games for Utica.

but please put it into perspective that at the same age, Boeser had 29 goals 62 games in the NHL.

Again, Potential vs Actual, and only a 3 year age difference? I wouldnt be so quick to say that the Devils have taken Holtz of the table for Boeser.

Side Note:

Boeser and J Hughes line would just be absolutely filthy.

Cool that you think all this. But again holtz isn’t going anywhere and I’m a bruins fan. He holds more value. You’re also forgetting Brock needs a new contract and his qualifying offer is over 7 mill.

 

[AfroThunder396]

points per game
.87 pts last year
.78 2019-2020
.81 2018-2019

those close enough years for you?

.81 pts per game since Coaching change this season as well (22 games)

So you're saying he's not at .8 PPG this season? Damn that's a shame.

If he was playing at .8 PPG all season then maybe he wouldn't be the first guy the new GM is trying to get rid of.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Cool that you think all this. But again holtz isn’t going anywhere and I’m a bruins fan. He holds more value. You’re also forgetting Brock needs a new contract and his qualifying offer is over 7 mill.

why would a new contract be a problem for a team like New Jersey with cap space and an eagerness to not be a bottom feeder team anymore?

 

[Eggtimer]

like i said, only in HF is potential valued more than actual

forever rebuilding is sexy

saying no to .80 pts per game 24 yr old sniper because my 20 yr old prospect is doing well in the AHL.

If it was as easy as that. A 20 year old on fire in the AHL that has potential to be the better player and will be cost controlled for the foreseeable future vs. A player coming off of injury that will need a 7.5 mil contract then could walk? Ya I can see why the Devils would t want to take that risk

 

[UrbanImpact]

So you're saying he's not at .8 PPG this season? Damn that's a shame.

If he was playing at .8 PPG all season then maybe he wouldn't be the first guy the new GM is trying to get rid of.

lmao I bet that surprised you that Boeser has been that productive with his ppg average the last 3 seasons didnt it...lol thats why you reverted to " cool so hes not .80 this season"

all good if you didnt know!

Boeser is a beauty, games are late tho for Eastcoasters, i get it.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

points per game
.87 pts last year
.78 2019-2020
.81 2018-2019

those close enough years for you?

.81 pts per game since Coaching change this season as well (22 games)

How convenient, when you are talking about Boeser you use ppg stats, but when we were talking about Zacha he was a 23 point per season player and you completely ignored his ppg stats. Cherry picking. Once again.

 

[KovalSNIPE]

lmao.

Boeser has one slow year (yet is still outproducing most players on his team) and is being considered a terrible player by most here.

31 other teams in this league would love Boeser on their roster. Moving him is a cap decision- not an evaluation of his performance.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Most Devils fans want Boeser. Pretty much all Devils fans don't want to give Holtz to get Boeser. Holtz is younger and less proven but we would rather hold on to him because he has potential to be as good of a goal scorer if not better than Boeser. Also Holtz is cost controlled , while we have a good amount of cap space right now you never know what it will look like in a season or two...

 

[Horton Hears A Woo]

why would a new contract be a problem for a team like New Jersey with cap space and an eagerness to not be a bottom feeder team anymore?

It’s not a problem but the young core in New Jersey is what they want to build off of. Holtz looks amazing and is also only 20. Why trade him to sign BB long term? Their is risk in that for New Jersey to tie that cap down and it would have to be long term.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Boeser + Dickinson for 2023 protected first + Zacha + Smith

 

[Boondock]

Zacha has half the cap hit and better stats then Boeser so if anything it should be an even up trade

I think this response is Latin for "I love meth"

 

[Boondock]

Zacha is putting up almost the same amount of points as Boeser this year and I presume nowhere near the offensive opportunities that Boeser does. A top young 21 year old defenseman who has yet to play a full season and moving back from 4th overall to 12th and decreasing your chances at first overall is not worth Boeser. He is on pace for around 53 points this year is an RFA and will be asking for 8 Million.
If we are making a deal based around Boeser and Zacha there is no chance Smith or our first is on the table.

So much wrong with this post. Boeser has paced over his career 30+ goals per 82. Yes Zacha is having his best season and Boeser his worst and Boeser is still out producing him. Secondly $8 million is a dumb random number that you just pulled out of nowhere to try to prove your point.

 

[Puckclektr]

So much wrong with this post. Boeser has paced over his career 30+ goals per 82. Yes Zacha is having his best season and Boeser his worst and Boeser is still out producing him. Secondly $8 million is a dumb random number that you just pulled out of nowhere to try to prove your point.

last year was a better season for Zacha. Yes they have had better careers but Boeser has also been given the offensive green light with clearly more opportunities playing with better players. Not to mention he is making $6 million now and asking for $8 million isn’t unreasonable. Currently their situations are similar point wise and Zacha is making a third of the money. When it comes to players value you have to factor in contract as well. If they were making the same money it would be a different story but they aren’t.

 

[Forge]

Boeser + Dickinson for 2023 protected first + Zacha + Smith

I'd give Zacha + Smith for Boeser + Dickinson. Not getting the first.

 

[elitepete]

Guys like Zacha get more than that. I'd estimate value at like two seconds, or a second and meh prospect

I doubt it.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I’m glad you added “New Jersey” to the title. Though that would have been a way more interesting storyline.

 

[Forge]

I doubt it.

There's no reason they should take less than the Sam Bennett trade. Athanasiou also got two seconds. So yeah, I'd say that is fair market value

 

[elitepete]

There's no reason they should take less than the Sam Bennett trade. Athanasiou also got two seconds. So yeah, I'd say that is fair market value

The rumour is a Dickinson for Zacha swap. Canucks would maybe throw in a 4th or 5th rounder, but that's his approximate value.

 

[TBF1972]

The rumour is a Dickinson for Zacha swap. Canucks would maybe throw in a 4th or 5th rounder, but that's his approximate value.

i have found the exact value of your opinion.

 

[Forge]

The rumour is a Dickinson for Zacha swap. Canucks would maybe throw in a 4th or 5th rounder, but that's his approximate value.

Well, thats a rumor with unknown reliability and incomplete data as we don't know what else, if anything is involved. Kind of hard to extrapolate an approximate value from that given that there's a huge difference between Dickinson + 2nd and Dickinson + 7th, for example.

I don't think Dickinson is a negative asset piece, ftr. I know that he's struggled with Vancouver, but half a down year doesn't completely remove all work he had done the three prior years. I could see why he's a piece that the Devils would like.