No. Cup contenders don’t sell. You’re also definitely not getting Knies and a 1st. That probably wouldn’t be that far off a Chychrun price. Sevo’s not getting that much. Nemec shouldn’t touch the league this year and even next year I probably wouldn’t want him up until the end of the it. Do not bring Nemec up to just be a guy. Bring him up when he’s ready to make a real impact. That’s not now.
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No. Cup contenders don’t sell. You’re also definitely not getting Knies and a 1st. That probably wouldn’t be that far off a Chychrun price. Sevo’s not getting that much. Nemec shouldn’t touch the league this year and even next year I probably wouldn’t want him up until the end of the it. Do not bring Nemec up to just be a guy. Bring him up when he’s ready to make a real impact. That’s not now.
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trading Severson makes no sense. We're a top 3-5 team in the league. I don't really care if Sevs walks for free. We are in the competing phase now, not the recovering asset phase. Its time to win.
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Exactly! If we we’re in Philly or Ottawa’s position he would be gone.
There IS precedent for trading Severson. Blues sent Shattenkirk to Washington on an expiring contract even though they were in a playoff spot. Won the cup not long after and Shattenkirk never ended up being a core piece. I’d feel ok sending Severson to a western contender, but I wouldn’t do it just to do it.
They were 31-25-5 when they made that deal. They went 11-4-2 the rest of the way.
None of this belongs in the Nemec thread.
It's funny. I've been thinking Severson reminds me of Shattenkirk... Other teams over-valued him he ended up being payed as a 1st pairing defender while all the Blues fans kept saying he was a 2nd pairing D-man. I can see the same thing happening with Sevo.
so you’re saying the Blues traded away a top-4, right shot defenseman who was maybe overvalued around the league, despite a winning record, and it didn’t sink their playoff chances? And in fact it might have been better for them in the long run? Weird.
And this belongs in this thread because Nemec in the system is the reason we’re even having this discussion. Again, i don’t want to do it just to do it. Even if Nemec is ready to take that spot on the third pair and getting him some NHL playoff experience could be valuable, depth is gonna be important down the stretch and into the playoffs. Not hard to imagine a scenario where Severson gets traded and then Hamilton or Marino get injured again.
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Depends on the veteran *cough*smith can f*** off*cough*
Neither one is an adequate replacement for Severson, though. Be insane to trade him.
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I think the scenario you've painted is very accurate but I do think Severson is a better all around player than Shattenkirk.
I can't believe I am posting here...I had nothing to do so I drove down to Atlantic City and I am sitting in the Borgata having a coffee and reading this site. I'm becoming one of those crazy old men that just wonder around and yell at things.
The Devils would have to lose every game in regulation from now until the deadline to be where the Blues were. They're not in remotely similar circumstances. The Blues dealt a good player and were lucky enough to get hot and make the playoffs, but I think they would've been fine either way. They're a team who had made the playoffs the previous five seasons, too, so missing the playoffs wouldn't be a catastrophe.
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Shattenkirk was the Blues PP QB and he had 19-21 assists just on the PP for four years in a row before the year he was traded. He was a ~10 GPG & ~40 APG over 7 seasons in ST Louis.
Shattenkirk might have had to wait until he got on Tampa to finally get his Cup, but he had played 47 PO games in St Louis, including a 20 game run when they went to the WCF in 2015-16. He was traded at the 2017 TDL.
I’ve said it before, I like Severson, but he’s a bit tough to figure out in terms of trade value.
He has almost no playoff experience and has played a lot of meaningless games on a bottom feeder.
He’s an offensively dynamic PMD but he’s not good on the PP. (This actually might or might not be a problem, it depends on a team’s needs. Still he lacks a selling point Shattenkirk had.)
He’s performed well on the PK and has had solid, or even excellent, defensive numbers at times in his career. He’s not however, anyone’s idea of a shutdown defenseman.
Not in cliched, hard-nosed, battle-tested, sense. Not in the do intelligent, attention to detail things around the net. He does it through transitioning the puck away.
Severson has value but doesn’t feel like big playoff rental value because top teams typically have PMDs who do what he does. If they didn’t they would be bad teams.
The idea of trading him last year at 50% retained seemed more promising because a cap strapped team getting him at 2m. But that was a fantasy.
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Consider Severson and Graves as basically us trading for depth pieces on D. Instead of us trading 2nds for them, we just are giving up the potential 2nds we would get for them.
Also, it's better for the team's long-term picture that Nemec's ELC and potential UFA slides another year (or two if he's not ready next year and there is a logjam on D).
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You got Nemec/Hughes and Bahl/Okhotiuk. We are fans, but are the Devils realistically contenders this year?
The return has to make sense but if you can flip Sevs, get assets and get Nemec/Hughes playoff experience. You can still add for the push.
Sure, why not? Because we didn't come into the season with those expectations and are light on playoff experience? We're 50 games in and have the 3rd best record in the league and may potentially be adding the best player available on the market in Meier.
Yes, the top two teams in the league are in our conference, but as good as Carolina has been they've still been bounced in the 1st or 2nd round each of the past 3 years and Boston gonna have to duke it out with the Toronto/Tampa winner in round 2.
The Athletic has us at 6% odds to win the Cup - yeah, a bit long but not nothing and good for 4th best in the league. Not to mention what a long playoff run could do for this team (and I'm sure the franchise wouldn't mind the $$ that comes with it). We've seen numerous examples of teams that weren't expected to do much do well in the playoffs - Montreal last season, Vegas a few years ago, the Blues a few years ago, the Caps when they won the Cup, the Devils/Kings matchup in 2012. Why the hell can't we go on a run even if it's not likely?
a young ass Chicago team went to the conference finals in 2009 and won the cup in 2010.
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My counter argument is why can’t we go on a run with Nemec/Hughes?
Two great prospects/players.
2nd) Can the Devils fit Timo without shipping off a roster player?
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it'd be tight and we'd need SJ to retain, but if we shipped Johnsson I'd imagine that would help a lot...still probably not enough though
Sure we could, though the odds certainly favor keeping Severson and having Nemec/Hughes as depth. Would have to be a hell of return for Severson though and I doubt dealing him sends a good message to the rest of the locker room.
The Devils have ~$2M in cap space - having San Jose retain salary and sending Johnsson the other way would fit Meier under the cap without losing a roster player (behind possibly Holtz, who is largely assumed to be part of any deal).
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Nemec needs to learn to play the body. Before he learns that, he needs to be kept away from the NHL. Guys will run circles around him there.You’re consistent in regards to Nemec, I’ll give you that haha!
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