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New IIHF world ranking 2022

How do these rankings work?

Thailand, Bosnia, South Africa, and Hong Kong just played a tournament. HK dropped out due to covid, South Africa won, Thailand 2nd, and Bosnia a clear 3rd. New rankings have HK rising two places to 46, Thailand rising 3 places to 47, Bosnia staying at 49, and South Africa dropping 6 places to 52.

How does a team that won their group tournament drop places and be below all the teams they beat? And how does a team that doesn't even play improve their ranking?
 
tiburon12 said:
How do these rankings work?

Thailand, Bosnia, South Africa, and Hong Kong just played a tournament. HK dropped out due to covid, South Africa won, Thailand 2nd, and Bosnia a clear 3rd. New rankings have HK rising two places to 46, Thailand rising 3 places to 47, Bosnia staying at 49, and South Africa dropping 6 places to 52.

How does a team that won their group tournament drop places and be below all the teams they beat? And how does a team that doesn't even play improve their ranking?
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You can find it here. If you click on "See more" the formula is explained:
 
jj cale said:
I'd be willing to bet the debates are going to be pretty heated, if all 3 events happen my prediction is you are going to have 3 different winners.
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My prediction today is Canada would get 2 of them... maybe 3. However, I'd like to see it and then argue after!
 
tiburon12 said:
How do these rankings work?

Thailand, Bosnia, South Africa, and Hong Kong just played a tournament. HK dropped out due to covid, South Africa won, Thailand 2nd, and Bosnia a clear 3rd. New rankings have HK rising two places to 46, Thailand rising 3 places to 47, Bosnia staying at 49, and South Africa dropping 6 places to 52.

How does a team that won their group tournament drop places and be below all the teams they beat? And how does a team that doesn't even play improve their ranking?
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This years WHC tournaments are not in the ranking yet, but the Olympics are. South Africa skipped the qualification, hence got 0 points for Olympics and dropped in ranking.

Just a reminder: this is the IIHF world ranking, based on the results of IIHF tournaments. It’s used for seeding in IIHF tournaments only.
If you want a „best hockey nation in the world ranking“, do it yourself.
 
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KTl said:
This years WHC tournaments are not in the ranking yet, but the Olympics are. South Africa skipped the qualification, hence got 0 points for Olympics and dropped in ranking.

Just a reminder: this is the IIHF world ranking, based on the results of IIHF tournaments. It’s used for seeding in IIHF tournaments only.
If you want a „best hockey nation in the world ranking“, do it yourself.
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Ah, that makes much more sense. very confusing given the recent tournament results.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
So many people appear to be confused about the purpose of the ranking. First of all, how it works is all public knowledge. It takes into account the recent results of IIHF sanctioned tournaments, without placing any additional weigh on things out of the federation's control, such as how many NHLers are involved.

What it isn't, and never was supposed to be: an authoritative way of telling the best hockey country on earth. So you can stop treating it as such.

What it is: a tool the IIHF uses to determine seedings for any upcoming tournaments. Because it needs a tool like that, as it's better than determining the seedings by Stetson-Harrison method or measuring the gut feelings on HFBoards, or whatever.
 
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BMacLeafs said:
Whoever put these rankings together is an idiot or just extremely biased. Canada #1 always and forever.

I think a more accurate ranking will be available after the World Cup in 2024.
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These rankings weren't put together by some person. They are based on performances of each country in IIHF tournaments during last four years. Countries get points based on their final placing in a tournament and the more recent tournaments are valued more. You can find more information here IIHF - World Ranking by clicking "see more". This system isn't new.

So if you are unhappy that Canada isn't where you want it to be, you should be mad at Canada.
 
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FiLe said:
So many people appear to be confused about the purpose of the ranking. First of all, how it works is all public knowledge. It takes into account the recent results of IIHF sanctioned tournaments, without placing any additional weigh on things out of the federation's control, such as how many NHLers are involved.

What it isn't, and never was supposed to be: an authoritative way of telling the best hockey country on earth. So you can stop treating it as such.

What it is: a tool the IIHF uses to determine seedings for any upcoming tournaments. Because it needs a tool like that, as it's better than determining the seedings by Stetson-Harrison method or measuring the gut feelings on HFBoards, or whatever.
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Finally, someone who gets it
 
Czechboy said:
My prediction today is Canada would get 2 of them... maybe 3. However, I'd like to see it and then argue after!
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Not so sure about that, things are tightening up, especially with the recent surge of the U.S and Finland. Both teams are really going to take a serious run at best on bests coming up. By 2026 the U.S actually might have the best team talent wise " on paper".

For Canada, a lot is going to ride in the coming years on the development of Hart and Levi. Of the two I am picking Levi to emerge.
 
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Looks like USA, Sweden, Slovakia, Germany, Czechia, Switzerland, Denmark, Latvia and Norway will all overtake Russia who gets 0 after World Championships.
 
ES said:
Looks like USA, Sweden, Slovakia, Germany, Czechia, Switzerland, Denmark, Latvia and Norway will all overtake Russia who gets 0 after World Championships.
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They will be overtaken by Italy as well. At minimum Russia will be ranked 15th and they could fall as low as 17th, although that is not very likely.
 
jj cale said:
Not so sure about that, things are tightening up, especially with the recent surge of the U.S and Finland. Both teams are really going to take a serious run at best on bests coming up. By 2026 the U.S actually might have the best team talent wise " on paper".

For Canada, a lot is going to ride in the coming years on the development of Hart and Levi. Of the two I am picking Levi to emerge.
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It's so interesting to see how the teams all have one minor flaw and all have different ones, using the Olympic project rosters around here.

Obviously, Canada is stacked but I'd take American or Russian goalies over the Canadian ones.
US has a tremendous paper team but their C depth is not as sexy as Canada - Eichel out for this last never happened Olympics and it got thinner (still very good but not Canada depth)
Finns are good everywhere but I'm not sure they have a McD in their arsenal and the D thins out, don't have 3 elite goalies (I know you only need one but shit happens in seasons and tournaments)
Swedes are solid everywhere but no real game breaker up front IMO Their D is beautiful and great goalies (no Lehner thinned it a bit)
Russia has the best goalies today but their C depth is comparatively poor to the other big 5 and they need about 2 more very good NHL Dmen (which they may have in 2024 as a few of their guys are making some real nice strides)

Canada has pedigree and history. Finns have Sisu and the underdog mentality.

Like I say, give me a best on best.. I'm begging to see this!

Hart needs out of Philly IMO .. certain markets create great goalies and others destroy them. My Oil and the Flyer's are definitely markets that crush goalies.
 
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Czechboy said:
It's so interesting to see how the teams all have one minor flaw and all have different ones, using the Olympic project rosters around here.

Obviously, Canada is stacked but I'd take American or Russian goalies over the Canadian ones.
US has a tremendous paper team but their C depth is not as sexy as Canada - Eichel out for this last never happened Olympics and it got thinner (still very good but not Canada depth)
Finns are good everywhere but I'm not sure they have a McD in their arsenal and the D thins out, don't have 3 elite goalies (I know you only need one but shit happens in seasons and tournaments)
Swedes are solid everywhere but no real game breaker up front IMO Their D is beautiful and great goalies (no Lehner thinned it a bit)
Russia has the best goalies today but their C depth is comparatively poor to the other big 5 and they need about 2 more very good NHL Dmen (which they may have in 2024 as a few of their guys are making some real nice strides)

Canada has pedigree and history. Finns have Sisu and the underdog mentality.

Like I say, give me a best on best.. I'm begging to see this!

Hart needs out of Philly IMO .. certain markets create great goalies and others destroy them. My Oil and the Flyer's are definitely markets that crush goalies.
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Pretty good round up of the situation, I'd argue Canada has as much if not more of the "sisu" stuff as Finland, they have won a lot of tournaments gutting it out and bearing down over the years, they have more experience with getting the job done when it counts then anyone. They are known for that, last years WHC is a good example of that, you get in the play downs by the skin of your teeth and then run the table? That's very much a Canada thing.

They know how to win.
 
Czechboy said:
don't have 3 elite goalies (I know you only need one but shit happens in seasons and tournaments)
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This will likely be a very temporary condition. Essentially none of those born in the early part of the 90s panned out, but there's more than one name born in the latter half of the same decade who are looking like they could be starters in just a year or two.

Defense could, admittedly, use more depth. Right now, one can scrounge up 6-8 Finnish d-men from the league, which is just enough and passable but doesn't really leave any room for injuries. And it's hard to say if the situation will improve soon - though if everything goes ideally, it just might.
 
There is no doubt of Russia's strength between the pipes right now, best in the world at the moment. That's a nice trump card to have.

Sure wish we still had it, it covers up more then one blemish on teams.
 
jj cale said:
There is no doubt of Russia's strength between the pipes right now, best in the world at the moment. That's a nice trump card to have.

Sure wish we still had it, it covers up more then one blemish on teams.
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We don't need to talk about Russia for the next decade - I'm hoping anyway. They have been irrelevant for much of the past 30 years. Now they are completely irrelevant. Good riddance.
 
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Gold Standard said:
We don't need to talk about Russia for the next decade - I'm hoping anyway. They have been irrelevant for much of the past 30 years. Now they are completely irrelevant. Good riddance.
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I doubt they will be sanctioned in international hockey for a decade, that seems a long shot to me.
 
jj cale said:
I doubt they will be sanctioned in international hockey for a decade, that seems a long shot to me.
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If it were up to me it would be at least 25 years. But I'm a strict SOB. Of course I will miss kicking the crap out of them on the ice and then listen to their idiot coach (who everybody here hails as some kind of genius) talk up how great Max Domi is and some future star, whereas McDavid - yeah he's just okay.
 
Gold Standard said:
If it were up to me it would be at least 25 years. But I'm a strict SOB. Of course I will miss kicking the crap out of them on the ice and then listen to their idiot coach (who everybody here hails as some kind of genius) talk up how great Max Domi is and some future star, whereas McDavid - yeah he's just okay.
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Remember the old days when they used to say Bob Gainey was,, and I quote......." the best hockey player in the world"

We used to joke about that, "yeah, they say that because they think it will make us start developing all our players to be Bob Gainey clones"

I loved Bob Gainey as much as the next guy but cmon. They've always played these sort of games. I loved the." we have ten Wayne Gretzkys" stuff too. Guys, if you had 10 Wayne Gretzkys back then you would have never lost a f***in game.

Just incredible.
 
FiLe said:
This will likely be a very temporary condition. Essentially none of those born in the early part of the 90s panned out, but there's more than one name born in the latter half of the same decade who are looking like they could be starters in just a year or two.

Defense could, admittedly, use more depth. Right now, one can scrounge up 6-8 Finnish d-men from the league, which is just enough and passable but doesn't really leave any room for injuries. And it's hard to say if the situation will improve soon - though if everything goes ideally, it just might.
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For you guys.. it's a shame Honka and Juolevi didn't become elite D like Heiskanen.

Who do you see as the Finn goalies in 2 years? Saros... (note: I'm not arguing, I'm curious)
 
jj cale said:
There is no doubt of Russia's strength between the pipes right now, best in the world at the moment. That's a nice trump card to have.

Sure wish we still had it, it covers up more then one blemish on teams.
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I still remember growing up and watching the Jr's and the saying came out every tourney.. 'if Canada could give the other nations one of their goalies then it'd be more competitive'. PEAK Quebec goalie factory.
 
Czechboy said:
I still remember growing up and watching the Jr's and the saying came out every tourney.. 'if Canada could give the other nations one of their goalies then it'd be more competitive'. PEAK Quebec goalie factory.
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Many games/ tournaments that was our ace in the hole, we usually had the best tenders.
 
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