Post-Game Talk: New goalie, new year, same suckiness

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Yeah, a tough one. But process-wise, I would take it as encouraging. The balance of chances was very largely tilted toward the Devils. Vitek just got beat on some perfect/random shots, and some very bad defensive decisions.

The positive is maybe if they go 0-3 to start, Ruff gets sacked with enough time to make the playoffs.
If under Ruff the team is tilting the ice in our favor, why should Ruff get canned?
 

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We've known goaltending was a problem since last Thanksgiving. Fitz decided to wait until deadline day to acquire Hammond.

Then he trades for a backup on a good team and people are surprised that he's not playing like a starter for us.

Zero excuses for Fitzgerald.
Acquiring a quality goaltender, especially midseason, is very difficult. Offseason isn't much easier. Vanacek is not an elite goalie, but expecting him to be OK wasn't much of a leap.
 

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This is year #3 of this song and dance and it's still the same shitty results, which are among the worst in franchise history. At some point people have to stop pointing to the charts and shot totals and look at actual wins and losses.
I was playing devils advocate, and I do like to twist the stat guys tails (though I am a bit of a stat guy myself) but I am legit flummoxed by the situation.

The easy move is to can Ruff. Maybe not before Tuesday, but if we lose Tuesday, I'd probably make that move. We've seen coaching changes ignite a team before, and despite the solid stat lines, the break downs which we saw last night? Ya, that could definitely be coaching.

Can't let this season spiral out of control, yet again, so early in the season.
 

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That 5th goal was brutal....How many times they just failed to get the puck out of their own zone....Just brutal....It's two games in not twenty so far that's the only positive way to look at their start to this season..
 

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Pavel Zacha and AJ Greer have more points than Jack Hughes.

Team should just relocate and put us out of our misery. Incompetence isn’t tolerated, it seems to be the goal.
 

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I know it's only two games...

But you got about 28 million in cap space tied up in the top 4 forwards on this team and not a goal among them ...not a single goal and if it weren't for Bratt there would be ZERO points....

Our top 3 forwards in salary have Zero points as of this morning. None, not even an assist and they combine for a -11 in two freaking games.

Please don't tell me about chances, shots and "out playing the opposition"
 
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We've known goaltending was a problem since last Thanksgiving. Fitz decided to wait until deadline day to acquire Hammond.

Because this is how goaltending works. Few teams trade goaltenders in season.

Then he trades for a backup on a good team and people are surprised that he's not playing like a starter for us.

He's played one [bad] game. Vanecek was also not a backup last year, he split time with Samsonov, who was worse.

Zero excuses for Fitzgerald.

He's got other options to use first, but if the goaltending is this bad through the season, which it won't be, he'll be fired, but it won't be his fault.
 

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But hey still all the D’s fault every god damn goalie Fitz brings in can’t stop a beach ball amirite?
Having had a night to sleep on it I came to thr inescapable conclusion this is all your fault. If you moderated better maybe @Guadana has a better command of English grammar. If he can write more concrete sentences then maybe @Bleedred doesn’t have to use so much profanity in his angry goalie posts. If He can use fewer symbols instead of letter then maybe @Guttersniped can write some shorter posts. If she writes shorter posts then maybe she has more time to boo Ruff at the game. If she can boo Ruff more maybe that’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back and he gets relieved of his coaching duties. With Ruff gone amd Burnette taking over maybe the defensive system gets streamlined and they can play better in their own zone and win a few games. So based on that obvious and correct logic you are thr reason the team sucks. I don’t know how you can sleep at night. Why would you sabotage your own favorite team? What is wrong with you?
 

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Slept on it after spending a lot of time and money to fly my son and me to this game.



The boos beforehand were not a great look but understandable, and important only in that they send a very clear message that the fan base has reached a tolerance limit.



Bratt and Hughes in particular need to do… less. Hughes especially tries to dangle too much. He dangled his way a couple of times too close to goal to have a good angle. He passes when he should shoot (and often to lower offensive skilled players) and vice versa. Bratt got an assist on the first goal but in that sequence missed several passes, flubbed the handle on it. The guy is trying. Hischier looked energetic initially.



I am not convinced there is a system at all. Watching in person it really is astonishing how all five devils will be on one side of their defensive zone, as if talent can outskate a puck. This leads to a chain of endless reactive play instead of smart positioning. I’d rather they use that energy wasted in reacting to the puck toward going hard at the puck holder, like Detroit and Philadelphia both did against us. We had far less time from both than we gave both. Mike Mcleod in particular looked clueless defensively a couple of times; he found him self in no man’s land. Several times we had two players bunched up - once I noticed it with zero wings in the vicinity, another time one. It’s fine to double a player but commit to it and get on him aggressively. If you’re watching you’re just leaving someone open. And we watched a lot - we let the puck holder do something rather than challenge him aggressively.



These things lead to the inability to clear the zone. That and the forwards clearing themselves out of the zone before the puck. We struggled gaining O zone entry too.



We outshot Detroit but none of those were sustained pressure. Shot, lose rebound, one or two plays and out for Detroit. No sustained puck possession. It’s not just the power play, it’s all offensive zone play. Our shots are pretty milquetoast too. Shots to crest, shots right to glove, few making the goalie move or stretch.



Brendan Smith… I am not sure why he’s #6. He also seemed to drag Marino down.



The lines were ridiculous and nobody knew where anyone was going to be. This really is a thing. And then the lines get mixed up during the game. We had relative consistency in camp and we tossed it all.



Physicality is low. We lost most pucks being contended for. Philadelphia showed the difference a new coach makes because they went for those pucks and won them. Even our physical guys were not that physical.



Jonathan Bernier dressed along with everyone else for pregame intros. Was playing blackwood Thursday an attempt to showcase him so Bernier could return?



The goalies have both been bad. Low shot totals - which is an improvement - but also several poor GA, both games. That said, it’s difficult to argue the constant screens our own players provide the opposition. We aren’t blocking some pucks we should, and sometimes that’s dangerous.



I will say the officiating wasn’t on our side - several obvious hooks holds trips let go and then minor things called on us. But we also took legit penalties that were foolish. Mikes Wood second game in a row with an offensive zone penalty should be a benching for the next game. Can’t blame the stripes for this one.



So it is a combination of things. It’s poor goaltending. It’s poor defensive zone hygiene. It’s lack of aggression to go to the puck carrier and force him to move it or make a bad play. It’s lack of winning luck battles on boards or open ice. It’s lack of our team playing as a team and using each other intelligently. It’s terrible coaching, with quixotic lineup changes and poor, almost desperate in game adjustments.

The team doesn’t seem like this is a profession.

The fans have had it. We are right to. Even if it’s not entirely on Ruff, we had a thread here showing how different the makeup of the team is from 3 years ago. We can’t fire ALL of the players. We have replaced many. We didn’t replace the head coach. And getting your coach fired is something that does serve as a wake up call to teams. And this team is sleepwalking to Bedard.

And we need to stop taking it out on each other. The problem is, we are all partially right. That’s how much is wrong here.
 

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Slept on it after spending a lot of time and money to fly my son and me to this game.



The boos beforehand were not a great look but understandable, and important only in that they send a very clear message that the fan base has reached a tolerance limit.



Bratt and Hughes in particular need to do… less. Hughes especially tries to dangle too much. He dangled his way a couple of times too close to goal to have a good angle. He passes when he should shoot (and often to lower offensive skilled players) and vice versa. Bratt got an assist on the first goal but in that sequence missed several passes, flubbed the handle on it. The guy is trying. Hischier looked energetic initially.



I am not convinced there is a system at all. Watching in person it really is astonishing how all five devils will be on one side of their defensive zone, as if talent can outskate a puck. This leads to a chain of endless reactive play instead of smart positioning. I’d rather they use that energy wasted in reacting to the puck toward going hard at the puck holder, like Detroit and Philadelphia both did against us. We had far less time from both than we gave both. Mike Mcleod in particular looked clueless defensively a couple of times; he found him self in no man’s land. Several times we had two players bunched up - once I noticed it with zero wings in the vicinity, another time one. It’s fine to double a player but commit to it and get on him aggressively. If you’re watching you’re just leaving someone open. And we watched a lot - we let the puck holder do something rather than challenge him aggressively.



These things lead to the inability to clear the zone. That and the forwards clearing themselves out of the zone before the puck. We struggled gaining O zone entry too.



We outshot Detroit but none of those were sustained pressure. Shot, lose rebound, one or two plays and out for Detroit. No sustained puck possession. It’s not just the power play, it’s all offensive zone play. Our shots are pretty milquetoast too. Shots to crest, shots right to glove, few making the goalie move or stretch.



Brendan Smith… I am not sure why he’s #6. He also seemed to drag Marino down.



The lines were ridiculous and nobody knew where anyone was going to be. This really is a thing. And then the lines get mixed up during the game. We had relative consistency in camp and we tossed it all.



Physicality is low. We lost most pucks being contended for. Philadelphia showed the difference a new coach makes because they went for those pucks and won them. Even our physical guys were not that physical.



Jonathan Bernier dressed along with everyone else for pregame intros. Was playing blackwood Thursday an attempt to showcase him so Bernier could return?



The goalies have both been bad. Low shot totals - which is an improvement - but also several poor GA, both games. That said, it’s difficult to argue the constant screens our own players provide the opposition. We aren’t blocking some pucks we should, and sometimes that’s dangerous.



I will say the officiating wasn’t on our side - several obvious hooks holds trips let go and then minor things called on us. But we also took legit penalties that were foolish. Mikes Wood second game in a row with an offensive zone penalty should be a benching for the next game. Can’t blame the stripes for this one.



So it is a combination of things. It’s poor goaltending. It’s poor defensive zone hygiene. It’s lack of aggression to go to the puck carrier and force him to move it or make a bad play. It’s lack of winning luck battles on boards or open ice. It’s lack of our team playing as a team and using each other intelligently. It’s terrible coaching, with quixotic lineup changes and poor, almost desperate in game adjustments.

The team doesn’t seem like this is a profession.

The fans have had it. We are right to. Even if it’s not entirely on Ruff, we had a thread here showing how different the makeup of the team is from 3 years ago. We can’t fire ALL of the players. We have replaced many. We didn’t replace the head coach. And getting your coach fired is something that does serve as a wake up call to teams. And this team is sleepwalking to Bedard.

And we need to stop taking it out on each other. The problem is, we are all partially right. That’s how much is wrong here.
Well said and thanks for sharing those observations. Much appreciated.
 

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You are constantly presenting strawman arguments and caricaturizing what people are saying. They don’t need to have the “worst system in history”, all they need is a bad one. Literally no one expects them to give up zero high danger chances. These are not things anyone here has said…other than you.

Ironically enough, when a team has gone through ten different goalies and someone continues to scream that each and every one of those goalies is the sole reason for their horrific performances…it sounds like YOU are implying that we have employed the worst ten goalies in league history in the span of 12 months. The more reasonable explanation is that we have goalies ranging from bad to average, and they are made to look like the absolute worst ever because the play of the skaters in front of them is just as abysmal.
well said.
 

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Having had a night to sleep on it I came to thr inescapable conclusion this is all your fault. If you moderated better maybe @Guadana has a better command of English grammar. If he can write more concrete sentences then maybe @Bleedred doesn’t have to use so much profanity in his angry goalie posts. If He can use fewer symbols instead of letter then maybe @Guttersniped can write some shorter posts. If she writes shorter posts then maybe she has more time to boo Ruff at the game. If she can boo Ruff more maybe that’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back and he gets relieved of his coaching duties. With Ruff gone amd Burnette taking over maybe the defensive system gets streamlined and they can play better in their own zone and win a few games. So based on that obvious and correct logic you are thr reason the team sucks. I don’t know how you can sleep at night. Why would you sabotage your own favorite team? What is wrong with you?

So now you're putting all of the pressure on Gutter? WTF? :D

On a secondary note, what's with "thr" in your posts? This has been going on for some time now and it's bad enough having to read all of the grammatically incorrect posts around here, but to have to decipher misspelled words is just too much to handle on top of the Lindy sucks, no Blackwood sucks, no the owners suck, no you suck, no I said you suck first. Thank you. :D
 
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So now you're putting all of the pressure on Gutter? WTF? :D

On a secondary note, what's with "thr" in your posts? This has been going on for some time now and it's bad enough having to read all of the grammatically incorrect posts around here, but to have to decipher misspelled words is just too much to handle on top of the Lindy sucks, no Blackwood sucks, no the owners suck, no you suck, no I said you suck first. Thank you. :D
When I post from my phone the letters are small. Being so old I can’t see them. The apparently doesn’t autocorrect from thr. Since I can’t see anything I can’t correct it. It’s a vicious cycle.
 
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Homedresser

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I'd KILL for bad goaltending right now.

We're getting LEAGUE worst goaltending AGAIN so far this year.
you spent the entire day defending the Vanacek signing. Going so far as to say he's better than the Avs goalies. Everytime it was brought up that he wasn't a good goalie you just railed on people in a condescending manner. You're in for a rough ride this year becasue there's a reason the Devils got him for free. Sure it's only one game but a goalie that is "league average" cannot be successful on a bottom 5 team.
 

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Isn't Brunette's style and system similar to Ruff's, that's probably why he's here. I absolutely hate the way we've played under Ruff. Just when I start to get excited about jettisoning him I get depressed cause it'l just be more of the same with Brunette lol.

Hopefully Sarge can beat something into these guys, that's my only hope for some responsibility with these forwards.
 

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Acquiring a quality goaltender, especially midseason, is very difficult. Offseason isn't much easier. Vanacek is not an elite goalie, but expecting him to be OK wasn't much of a leap.
it's hard to be OK in front of this team. Especially when you're low end goalie (backup).
 
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